yeah, these are our arguments:

1. Samus and her entire division, since it seems we're split 50/50 on whether to adjust her to 42% or 38%
2. Vincent and how strong he's going to be, and if his division is overrated or not
3. Zelda characters and TP
4. the xbox 360 and what it means to the contest
5. Cloud and the ff7 gang and their numerous spinoffs coming up; also, KH2 (if it's out) and possibly a voter shift with ff12 (if it's out)

there are others, but those are probably the biggest ones.

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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

Don't forget about the biggest argument we've had yet (and will surely have again): Solid/Sora SFF.

That argument STILL makes me mad about how ridiculous it got.
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Much like priest-sex, Jman_gamerX8 molested gurus by the hundreds.
Congrats, for your dominance has now been compared to priest-sex.

More seriously though, another argument that comes up every year will start to get bigger around the end of November: what the 2005 Game Of The Year will be.
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Much like priest-sex, Jman_gamerX8 molested gurus by the hundreds.
Congrats, for your dominance has now been compared to priest-sex.

Based on those stats, Mario would be projected to beat Sonic with 55.45% of the vote...I know it's nigh-impossible to compare figures from year to year, but it seems like setting Samus and Mario equal to each other in the 2k5 adjusted stats might be the fairest compromise we can reach. It would seem as though they would perform similarly against most characters.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO...Pac-Man?

I think everyone should do their own stats this year. (I already butchered mine trying to do them when I was 99% asleep - go me.) as I've said before, I'm not worried about Samus as much as I am people like Frog or Yuna. they're the ones that we don't have anything close to a good read on.

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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

oh, and if you ask me, "Snake/Sora SFF" should be an automatic 3KL.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

I think everyone should do their own stats this year.

Already plan to, though I'm gonna use some imaginary adjustments on some things due to me simply not trusting some things. Thus, I would hope nobody has much interest in seeing mine.
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Much like priest-sex, Jman_gamerX8 molested gurus by the hundreds.
Congrats, for your dominance has now been compared to priest-sex.

It's official for sure now: the three characters who have lost in the ToC are the three most impressive losers in the contest. The one who hasn't lost is the winner of the contest. Every character in the ToC has won a bracket before. The weakest link of the ToC is able to keep the sixty-four other characters at least 3.85% away from him.

Behold, their dominance.


Time for me to go to bed. G-nite.
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Much like priest-sex, Jman_gamerX8 molested gurus by the hundreds.
Congrats, for your dominance has now been compared to priest-sex.

Now that the contests over, time for what IMO should become a tradition.

(Note for the clueless: None of this is my work, it was done after the 2k3 contest. I am reposting it because it owns. All adoration/praise/love letters should be directed to the authors, listed below.)

Sung to Queen's 'Bohemian Rhapsody'

Summer Contest Rhapsody
By Funkadelict and Aeon Azuran

Is he a cheater?
Is he just quality?
The poll is a landslide, we escape from reality.
Open your eyes, look up at the board and see.

I'm not a fanboy,
Stop making fun of me
Because it's easy win, easy lose,
Man, this board's too full of n00bs.

Anytime the polls close,
Doesn't really matter to me.
To me...

Ceejus, just flamed a mod
Said some things that can't be said
He got pissed, and now I'm dead.

Ooooh, just became a vet
But now I've suicided it away

Ceejay, oooooh, can you hear the fanboys cry?
If the kiddies don't wake up this time tomorrow
Argue on, argue on
Because the board just doesn't matter.

Crono: Mario, your time has come
The polls draw to the line
Too bad you don't have extra time... DAMMIT!

Magus: Goodbye, everybody, I'd pwn you all
But the stupid bracket voters can't see the truth

Ceejay, Ooooh,
I don't wanna lie
I sometimes wish you'd never done this at all

(HEAVY ROCK SOLO... featuring CLOUD on guitar!)

I see a tiny silhouetto of a man
Olimar, Olimar, he is pimping his pikmin!

Kefka: THUNDERBOLTS AND LIGHTNING! LETTUCE IS QUITE FRIGHTENING! Uweeheehee!

Pikachu: Pika Pika!
Fox: Shut the hell up.
Pikachu: Pika pika!
Vercetti: Shut the **** up!!
Pikachu: Pika pika pika *BLAM*
Ryu: Hadoooooooooken!

Megaman: I'm not a real boy, nobody loves me!
Square and Nintendo fanboys: He's just a robot from a dumb company!
Spare him his life, let him not face Sephy!

Cheater: Stuffing votes is a sin,
But there's money up to win!

Crono: C-Jay-C!
Ceej: NO! We will not let you win!
Fans: Let him win!
Crono: C-Jay-C!
Ceej: We will not let you win!
Fans: Let him win!
Crono: C-Jay-C!
Ceej: We will not let you win!
Fans: Let him win!
Ceej: Will not let him win!
Fans: Let him win!
Ceej: Will not let him win!
Crono: Never, ever, ever, ever, let me win!

Fans: No, no, no, no, no, no, no!
Mario: Oh, mama mia, mama mia, mama mia, now I win!

Beelzebub has a board hell set aside for me...
For me...
For meeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
(Raiden sings the very very high note as the song goes into FULL ROCK MODE!)

Lara: So you think TJF will help you survive?
Pacman: Think being old-school will keep you aliiiiive?

Board Users: Ohhhh, Cjay... can't do this to us, Cjay...
Ceej: You just gotta calm down, just gotta calm down now, y'hear?

Oooh.... ooh yeah, ooh yeah...

(Quiets down again as the song nears the end)

So now it's done and over, the SC2K3...
Nothing really matters...
CATS: All your votes are belong... to me...

Any time the polls close...

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Vincent WILL break 60% on Dante.
(Place Holder for sig bet with YoYoChamp made 3/24/05)

Lara: So you think TJF will help you survive?
Pacman: Think being old-school will keep you aliiiiive?


my entire body just cringed.

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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/23/2005 12:57:12 AM | Message Detail | #152
Don't forget about the biggest argument we've had yet (and will surely have again): Solid/Sora SFF.

That wasn't exactly widespread. It was just one idiot spouting off crap without knowing a damn thing about what he was talking about, and good riddance to the moron.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Just Got Owned By: Jman_gamerX8, King of Gurus. Congrats!

Clearly Link is failing to outdo what Cloud did against Sephiroth is because Link is underperforming against Sephiroth just like he did in 2K2. ;) Hey, maybe that's not impossible... this is probably more likely to be legit, though.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Sephiroth is .09% from getting this back to 45%! =p

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“Damn. Jman_gamerX8 is insane—he kicked my ass in the Guru Contest.”
“This guy are sick!”

Cloud SFFed Sephiroth.

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Can't think of a good sig.

Lara: So you think TJF will help you survive?
Pacman: Think being old-school will keep you aliiiiive?


my entire body just cringed.

Now hear someone sing it. =D
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/SC2K3.mp3
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''If I were the rain that binds together the earth and sky, who in all eternity will never mingle, would I be able to bind the hearts of people together?''

....no.

is that tnote singing, by the way? I'm gonna check it in a few minutes.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

Link 54.99% 65056
Sephiroth 45.01% 53246
TOTAL VOTES 118302

=D

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“Damn. Jman_gamerX8 is insane—he kicked my ass in the Guru Contest.”
“This guy are sick!”

Ending it with over 45% ^_^
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The Seahawks Road to the Superbowl 1W-1L
http://users.ign.com/collection/John_Yossarian

Sephiroth doesn't feel like being under 45%.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

This makes Sephiroth the first person other than Cloud to break 45% on Link, right? No matter how you look at it, that's impressive.
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For the first time ever, Solid Snake has made the Final Four! Believe it.

Indeed. I like how Sephiroth came out and impressed after quite a few were calling for him to have a very close match, or lose, against the main bracket winner.


But yeah, quite the performance by Sephiroth from both last round and this round.

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“Damn. Jman_gamerX8 is insane—he kicked my ass in the Guru Contest.”
“This guy are sick!”

...****ing Advent Children. >_>

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
World Champion: Gyruss, Mega Man X, Solstice, Super Mario World, Zombies Ate My Neighbors

whelp, one last time, and it's pretty anticlimactic... Link with, oh, 59% of the brackets.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

Link with 49.99% of the brackets, for old time's sake.

And man, I *really* don't want there to be an offseason.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Just Got Owned By: Jman_gamerX8, King of Gurus. Congrats!

Link with a beastly 55%.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where Jman_gamerX8 kicked my ass.

"Well, HM (or TS or whatever you want to call him) once said that he would buy the PS3 for a remake of FF VII alone.

Obviously, he's the exception."

No, no he isn't. I've got friends who aren't hardcore gamers who have said the exact same thing.
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Jman_gamerX8 teamed up with Mario to kick my ass!

"Well, HM (or TS or whatever you want to call him) once said that he would buy the PS3 for a remake of FF VII alone.

Obviously, he's the exception."

No, no he isn't. I've got friends who aren't hardcore gamers who have said the exact same thing.
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Jman_gamerX8 teamed up with Mario to kick my ass!

an ff7 remake would do more good than any of those spinoffs in my mind.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

A Final Fantasy VII remake would be absolutely HUGE for everyone in the game. Not to mention that I would cancel any and all plans until I beat it. <3

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“Damn. Jman_gamerX8 is insane—he kicked my ass in the Guru Contest.”
“This guy are sick!”

aannnnnnnnnd it's the offseason. stats didn't even update.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

Job well done, my friends.

*handshakes all around*
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where Jman_gamerX8 kicked my ass.

I always get sad when the summer contest ends. Prepare for 6-8 months of... boredom. Lots of boredom.

How did you like this year's Character Battle?
It was great, can't wait 'til next year 36.13% 56
It was fun, I enjoyed it 27.74% 43
It was good, could have been better 11.61% 18
It was fine, but it's getting old 16.13% 25
It was boring, I'm glad the polls are back 8.39% 13
TOTAL VOTES 155

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Just Got Owned By: Jman_gamerX8, King of Gurus. Congrats!

Sephiroth ends it with 45.06%. Nice show.

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“Damn. Jman_gamerX8 is insane—he kicked my ass in the Guru Contest.”
“This guy are sick!”

Yeah, welcome to the offseason everyone.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb
Crushed by Jman_gamerX8 as badly as Link beat Cloud.

I expect the board vote can't be favoring "it was boring, I'm glad the old polls are back", expect it to gain some % during the day...

...

Man, what a bust the ToC was. Left me with a sour taste in my mouth. Link over Sephiroth is the one result I really didn't want to see come out of that. Eh... whatever. And Sephiroth and Mario both did crappier than I would have liked them to, even in a loss... blech!
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Raiden fact of the contest: Jman_gamerX8 puts not only Lopen's bracket making skills to shame, but also Raiden's... unheard of!

I must agree, I cared a lot more about the main bracket than that thing. here's to hoping for a game contest next year.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

Eh, the ToC went as expected for a lot of people, so yeah, it wasn't the most exciting.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb
Crushed by Jman_gamerX8 as badly as Link beat Cloud.

Link > Sephiroth > Mario > Crono > Mega Man > Sonic > Tifa > Luigi > KOS-MOS

The Ultimate Loser™ is none other than KOS-MOS. I'm aware we knew this already, but had Mario beaten Sephiroth, the true tradition wouldn't have been the same.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Just Got Owned By: Jman_gamerX8, King of Gurus. Congrats!

I think I would've been happier had it never happened... the "Super Mario" hyped by the contest being punked back down below 40% on Link (I think) was supremely disappointing.

At least there might have been some mystique on where Mario and the rest of the bracket really stands without it...
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Raiden fact of the contest: Jman_gamerX8 puts not only Lopen's bracket making skills to shame, but also Raiden's... unheard of!

yeah, I agree. Mario on shrooms was much more, well, intimidating before he got masamune'd.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

Heh, it's funny how going into the contest, everyone thought Round 2 would likely be one of the greatest stretches in contest history, when in reality, Round 1 blew it out of the water. =P
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where Jman_gamerX8 kicked my ass.

I don't think so.. we just had a couple matches that were memorable. round 1 was pretty boring, as it always is. Ocelot, Ness and Magus just shook up what was supposed to be a pretty ho-hum round.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

Hey, let's play Rank The Contests™

1 - Spring 2004
2 - Summer 2002
3 - Summer 2003
4 - Summer 2005
5 - Summer 2004
6 - Spring 2005

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Just Got Owned By: Jman_gamerX8, King of Gurus. Congrats!

Round 1 featured three of the biggest board busts of all time as well as one of the most exciting, controversial matches ever. Round 2 didn't really give us anything.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where Jman_gamerX8 kicked my ass.

1. Spring 2004
2. Summer 2002
3. Summer 2005
4. Summer 2004
5. Summer 2003
6.
7.
8.
9.

You get my point...

Spring 2005
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where Jman_gamerX8 kicked my ass.

1 - Spring 2004
2 - Summer 2003
3 - Summer 2005
4 - Summer 2004
5 - Spring 2005

I'd probably agree with Ulti totally on his ranking, but I didn't really pay any attention to Summer 2002. I believe I only voted in Link/Mario and Cloud/Mario. (Mario, both times) So I can't really fairly rank it.
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Raiden fact of the contest: Jman_gamerX8 puts not only Lopen's bracket making skills to shame, but also Raiden's... unheard of!

I have the same rankings as you do. I actually didn't think 2k5 was that great of a contest - it taught us a lot, sure, but it didn't have any matches that will be called classics. I think we should play rank the matches instead:

1. Sonic/MM
2. TV/Kefka
3. Bowser/Snake
4. Pac-Man/Ocelot
5. Knuckles/Magus

I might be missing one, but those were our best.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

As for why I have Summer 2003 over Summer 2005, we've reached an age in these contests where even the unexpected isn't all that unexpected. Even things like Knuckles > Magus and Pac Man > Ocelot can be predicted if you look into the stats hard enough (kudos to Leon and Guy for actually doing it). Back in 2003, the unexpected was just that: really damned shocking.

I'd like to give a special thank you to the extrapolated standings for ruining a good deal of the luster that these contests once had. Excitement and hanging on every update still happens every now and then, but it's just not what it used to be due to the matches no longer being about who wins and more about pinpointing exactly where the characters are supposed to land, right down to the last .01%. Even in the closest matches we had this year (MC/DK, Squall/Vincent, Sonic/Mega Man, etc), I just didn't feel the same excitement that I felt with, say.... Starcraft/Halo or Mario/Crono 2003.

CJayC changing the poll starting time and agreeing to a site layout change also has a lot to do with this, I might add. Comebacks aren't what they used to be, because the character in the lead often has a second night vote to fall back on.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Just Got Owned By: Jman_gamerX8, King of Gurus. Congrats!

1 - Summer 2002
2 - Spring 2004
3 - Summer 2005
4 - Summer 2004
5 - Spring 2005
6 - Summer 2003
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I was owned and obliterated by Jman_gamerX8.
Congrats to him for winning the Summer 2005 Guru Contest!

Heh, I get the feeling Team Rocket Elite isn't too fond of Cloud and Sephiroth.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where Jman_gamerX8 kicked my ass.