Nobody in their right mind thought he had any chance against Crono.

Very true. Unfortunately, I read several posts of that nature myself. A sad state humanity has found itself in.
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I was owned by Jman_gamerX8 in the Guru Contest and all I got was this crappy sig.

I seem to have missed the memo that game sales actually matter that much.
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Pwned by Jman_gamerX8 in the Guru Contest.
Nominate Sub-Zero and The Prince of Persia for SC2k6

Vincent. Is. Getting. His. Own. Game.

I want you to repeat that a thousand times.

Nah, I'm too lazy so I'm just going to agree with you.

The only Noble 9 character Vincent would have a chance to beat is Snake.
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Congrats to Jman_gamerX8 for winning the Guru Contest.

I'm not worried about Vincent being in. he'll make it.

I don't know why you'd argue about the ff7 characters at this point, though. we all know what's coming and no one agrees on how much it matters. end of story. same with the Zelda characters.

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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

I seem to have missed the memo that game sales actually matter that much.

I don't believe transcience wanted them to backup anything in the contest. He was just curious.

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“Damn. Jman_gamerX8 is insane—he kicked my ass in the Guru Contest.”
“This guy are sick!”

What the hell? Final Fantasy VII sold more than Ocarina of Time and Goldeneye. And these were purely N64 and PSX titles.

Sorry, FFVII did not outsell Goldeneye or Ocarina of Time.

In the US, at least, FFVII sold 2.5 mil, while Goldeneye and OoT both sold well over 3 mil.

With Japanese figures included, FFVII probably outsold Goldeneye, and maybe OoT, but definitely not Pokemon.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Ok, then. Sorry about that.
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Pwned by Jman_gamerX8 in the Guru Contest.
Nominate Sub-Zero and The Prince of Persia for SC2k6

I don't know why you'd argue about the ff7 characters at this point, though. we all know what's coming and no one agrees on how much it matters. end of story. same with the Zelda characters.

Then it'll be a boring off-season.
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Congrats to Jman_gamerX8 for winning the Guru Contest.

Given a 2003-esque voting shift, I can potentially see Vincent being able to take Snake, Mega Man, or Sonic. I'm not saying that he's a lock or he has no shot, I'm just claiming that it is most definitely within the realm of possibility.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where Jman_gamerX8 kicked my ass.

yeah, I'm just curious. sales figures always fascinate me, because some games that should never have been bought end up high while others are nowhere to be found. I'd be most curious on the Square games such as Xenogears, Chrono Cross and FF9.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

1. Super Mario 64 - 11.91 million
2. Mario Kart 64 - 9.87 million
3. Final Fantasy VII - 9.1 million
4. Goldeneye 007 - 8 million
5. The Legend of Zelda : Ocarina of Time - 7.60 million



Now, there's a rough sketch of the Top 5 for the Nintendo 64/PlayStation 1, but I know there have been one or two other PSX games to sell near 8 million copies worldwide. I just need to find a list...

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“Damn. Jman_gamerX8 is insane—he kicked my ass in the Guru Contest.”
“This guy are sick!”

How many stats topics do you guys think you can churn out over the entire course of the off-season?
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~*Ex~Tha*~
*is RKO'd by Jman_gamerX8 in the Guru contest*

Geez, why are people talking about "how higher" Link could get over Cloud next year. In my opinion, Clinkiroth and Mario should NEVER be allowed in the contest scene again. Clinkiroth's sheer power has certainly been established, and although Mario's is a little shaky, I feel that he is still deserving of the 4th spot.

SC2K6-Year of the Crono. Book it.
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I play the Pokemon Trading Card Game...HOOOOW LAME =P
~~~Allah Approves~~~

yeah, I agree with the idea of a voter shift. if a major RPG like ff12 finally comes out here, we may see the site shift back to being more RPG dominated and less Nintendo dominated. we haven't really had a major RPG since KH.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

Vincent will be pretty strong. He'll get a boost from AC (as most people still haven't seen AC), DoC and KHII (Maybe)

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The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.~ Alucard

Sorry, FFVII did not outsell Goldeneye or Ocarina of Time.

Yes, it did. By about a million, in fact.

In the US, at least, FFVII sold 2.5 mil, while Goldeneye and OoT both sold well over 3 mil.

That 2.5 million number is out of date. It's a little over 3 million the US, I believe at this point.

With Japanese figures included, FFVII probably outsold Goldeneye, and maybe OoT, but definitely not Pokemon.

I'm not including the Game Boy games into the list, unless he wants me to include them, in which case, it'll be dominated by them. Speaking purely of N64 and PSX here.

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“Damn. Jman_gamerX8 is insane—he kicked my ass in the Guru Contest.”
“This guy are sick!”

How does Samus vs. Crono look, taking in the undeniable SFF Samus received against Mario?
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I was owned by Jman_gamerX8 in the Guru Contest and all I got was this crappy sig.

Alright, HM. For you, I'll assume that DoC is an excellent game that everyone loves, and that there is another increase of voters who favor Square characters causing a huge voting shift benefiting their strengt- I mean "KH2" boost to help him over Mario, and Tifa too! And Cloud and Seph would be over Link! Maybe even Tidus and Squall can fly up and be elites too! And we can all watch along while riding on our magical pink elephants.

Yeah, overly sarcastic, but I'm still not changing my stance. Vincent is being overestimated. 'Nuff said.

Now speaking of magical pink elephants, I'm off to bed.
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I can't see why kids love CTC, but I can see that Jman_gamerX8 owns all gurus.
Final SC2K5 Bracket Score: 140 (Horrible, I know)

Hey HM, has any game this generation outdone GT3's 17.62 Million copies? That's getting pretty close to SMB3's record...

GT1 and GT2 are pretty high up on the PS1 list in all likelihood, with 10.8M and 9M copies sold, respectively. IIRC, SM64 and MK64 are the only N64 games above that, and I don't think any PS1 games are.

So wait, AC's affect two days after being leaked when barely anyone had bothered seeing it yet is greater then what it's full effect well be? I don't follow.

Exactly, just like Mario Sunshine.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
Congrats to Jman, for knowing that on GameFAQs, men are always > women.

Where did you get those figures from, HM?

I was just going off some old EGM issues.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

if you count GBC/A, the numbers will be huge. ps1 titles would be what I'm most curious about.. but whatever you can find, I'd love to see.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

yeah, I agree with the idea of a voter shift. if a major RPG like ff12 finally comes out here, we may see the site shift back to being more RPG dominated and less Nintendo dominated.

Indeed. Final Fantasy XII and Kingdom Hearts II most notably. There's also a variety of other Square titles coming out.

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“Damn. Jman_gamerX8 is insane—he kicked my ass in the Guru Contest.”
“This guy are sick!”

I'd take Samus over Crono in a heartbeat.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where Jman_gamerX8 kicked my ass.

Hey HM, has any game this generation outdone GT3's 17.62 Million copies? That's getting pretty close to SMB3's record...

Since when did GT3 break 10 million?
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Congrats to Jman_gamerX8 for winning the Guru Contest.

FFXII
KH2
DoC

VS.

Loz: TP
MKDS
NewSMB
MP: Hunters

2K6 has all the build-up to be the most explosive contest ever.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where Jman_gamerX8 kicked my ass.

there's no way GT3 sold 17m copies. if I remember right, SMB3 is 16m. unless SMB3 is US-only, that'd smash the record.
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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

Methinks Square will have the advantage next year. Outside of TP, the Nintendo games just aren't as big.
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I was owned by Jman_gamerX8 in the Guru Contest and all I got was this crappy sig.

Hey HM, has any game this generation outdone GT3's 17.62 Million copies

What? GTA: Vice City and Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire are the best-selling games this gen, both selling around 12 million worldwide. Nothing besides GTA3 or GTA: SA even comes close.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Hey HM, has any game this generation outdone GT3's 17.62 Million copies? That's getting pretty close to SMB3's record...

I hadn't realized it was that high -- last I checked it was about 13.5 million -- but in either case, no, nothing has surpassed it.

GT1 and GT2 are pretty high up on the PS1 list in all likelihood, with 10.8M and 9M copies sold, respectively.

Indeed. I just found those out.

Where did you get those figures from, HM?

I have all of Nintendo's million sellers over the years into one Word file, along with Square's, but there's no one large source if that's what you're asking for. Although I can provide you with everything I do have saved.

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“Damn. Jman_gamerX8 is insane—he kicked my ass in the Guru Contest.”
“This guy are sick!”

could you paste the Square one?

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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

Since when did GT3 break 10 million?

Probably 2k3...it's a pretty popular game from a very popular series, you know. Until MGS2, it was the PS2's only killer app.

FFXII
KH2
DoC

VS.

Loz: TP
MKDS
NewSMB
MP: Hunters

2K6 has all the build-up to be the most explosive contest ever.

Heh, and we'll be laughing in 2k7: MP3, SSBO, SM128, Zelda DS, possible Zelda Revolution? Can't wait.

What? GTA: Vice City and Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire are the best-selling games this gen, both selling around 12 million worldwide. Nothing besides GTA3 or GTA: SA even comes close.

You're wrong.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/608/608027p1.html

Subtract the figures mentioned for other GTs, and voila.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
Congrats to Jman, for knowing that on GameFAQs, men are always > women.

Here's a newly revised list...


1. Super Mario 64 - 11.91 million
2. Grand Turismo - 10.8 million
3. Mario Kart 64 - 9.87 million
4. Final Fantasy VII - 9.1 million
5. Grand Turismo 2 - 9.0 million

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“Damn. Jman_gamerX8 is insane—he kicked my ass in the Guru Contest.”
“This guy are sick!”

From: ExThaNemesis | Posted: 9/22/2005 11:32:31 PM | Message Detail | #032
How many stats topics do you guys think you can churn out over the entire course of the off-season?

i certainly hope it slows does considerably so i can contribute more to the discussion. things have been way to hectic lately. =(

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"Start wearing purple, for me now. All your sanity and wits, they will all vanish, i promise. It's just a matter of time..."

Given that each contest season attracts more people to the stats topic, I'm guessing we can go through about 1.5 topics per week. And for an offseason, that's fast.

And HM, I think those sales are off. I thought OOT cleared 10 million with ease.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Just Got Owned By: Jman_gamerX8, King of Gurus. Congrats!

And here it is...The 2005 contest based on Link (I'm going to place Sephiroth at 44.75%, seems like a good finishing point):

Link - 50.00%
Cloud Strife - 47.56%
Sephiroth - 44.75%
Mario - 39.31%
Crono - 36.28%
Mega Man - 35.30%
Sonic the Hedgehog - 35.03%
Solid Snake - 33.64%
Bowser Koopa - 33.24%
Vincent Valentine - 32.37%
Squall Leonhart - 31.98%
Kirby - 31.83%
Samus Aran - 31.61%
Princess Zelda - 30.67%
Tifa Lockheart - 30.54%
Dante Sparda - 29.78%
Knuckles the Echidna - 29.54%
Zero - 29.19%
Magus - 29.03%
Luigi - 28.48%
Master Chief - 28.08%
Donkey Kong - 27.63%
Ryu - 27.27%
Tidus - 26.96%
Ganondorf - 25.50%
Leon Kennedy - 25.02%
Vivi Orunitia - 24.80%
Rikku - 24.15%
Auron - 23.40%
Sora - 23.37%
Chun-Li - 22.66%
Yoshi - 22.53%
Diablo - 22.03%
Ryu Hayabusa - 21.60%
Tommy Vercetti - 21.15%
Alucard - 20.86%
Gordon Freeman - 20.73%
Kefka - 20.66%
Yuna - 19.78%
Sam Fisher - 19.47%
KOS-MOS - 19.36%
Kratos Aurion - 19.05%
Frog - 18.93%
Kratos - 18.55%
Riku - 18.29%
CATS - 17.50%
Conker - 16.98%
Terra Branford - 16.97%
Zidane Tribal - 16.89%
Jin Kazama - 16.70%
Geno - 16.09%
Cecil Harvey - 15.78%
Lloyd Irving - 15.61%
Joanna Dark - 15.01%
King of All Cosmos - 14.80%
Albert Wesker - 14.11%
Agent 47 - 13.68%
Sarah Kerrigan - 13.59%
Ness - 13.52%
Vyse the Legend - 13.39%
Big Boss - 13.35%
Pac-Man - 12.24%
Carl Johnson - 12.13%
Revolver Ocelot - 11.93%
Laharl - 11.86%
Manny Calavera - 10.70%
Yuri Hyuga - 8.01%
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"Stay there for me, trapped in memories."
"I...I won't become a memory."

I fully expect the CS&D pace to dramatically slow down after a few post-contest debates, as people try to conserve topics to be spread out over the off-season. We have plenty of time to debate the fate of Clinkeroth, the details behind the next Game contest, what makes a good match picture, stuff like that.
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Congrats to Jman_gamerX8, the SC2K5 Guru champ!
Tir McDohl and Cidolfas Orlandu clash at www.rpgdl.com!

Rikku - 24.15%
Auron - 23.40%


Heh


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The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.~ Alucard

Hmmm...Looks like Seph's gonna breeze by 44.75% at this rate. I wanted to put 45%, but I didn't want to overestimate it too much. Blah.
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"Stay there for me, trapped in memories."
"I...I won't become a memory."

I fully expect the CS&D pace to dramatically slow down after a few post-contest debates, as people try to conserve topics to be spread out over the off-season. We have plenty of time to debate the fate of Clinkeroth, the details behind the next Game contest, what makes a good match picture, stuff like that.

don't forget about the possibility of a Female Character Contest!! ^_^

actually, i talked myself into thinking it is already a given that i will be quite disappointed if we don't get a Female Character Contest next spring. then, i think that 2K7 will be a good time to have another Game Contest, because this current generation will have completely died off by then and had enough time to begin settling into our more permanent opinions.

and btw - by seeing things are too hectic lately, i was referring to myself personally, but yeah, i never liked it much when we run through a topic a day. it's hard to keep up with even when the rest of your life isn't very hectic.

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"Start wearing purple, for me now. All your sanity and wits, they will all vanish, i promise. It's just a matter of time..."

Gordon Freeman - 20.73%
Kefka - 20.66%

:(
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I like long walks. Especially when they're taken by people who annoy me.

Nothing in the stats makes me happier than Cecil finishing higher than no fewer than four different RPG mains.
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Congrats to Jman_gamerX8, the SC2K5 Guru champ!
Tir McDohl and Cidolfas Orlandu clash at www.rpgdl.com!

What's this? Kefka could make the universe implode?
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MARIOWNED

And HM, I think those sales are off. I thought OOT cleared 10 million with ease.

No, that number came directly from Nintendo when they updated their Zelda franchise sales. And that was back in 2003. It has not sold anywhere close to over 10 million.

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“Damn. Jman_gamerX8 is insane—he kicked my ass in the Guru Contest.”
“This guy are sick!”

I love how Riku gets less on CATS than Ansem.
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"If ye do not know me, ye shall be made to know me! My name shall be engraved on thy very soul.. the name of Lezard Valeth"
- Lezard Valeth

we'll go through probably two stats topics a week. I am very much looking forward to the stats topic calming down as well - there's only so many "up 24!" comments I can read per day, after all. after two plus months of these things flying, it'll be nice to not have to read 500 posts just because I decided to go see a friend or something.

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Jman_gamerX8:Link::me:Jay Solano.

I just feel sad that the biggest argument this off-season will be about Vincent, but until those games get released the only arguments I'm hearing are ones I've already heard.
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Congrats to Jman_gamerX8 for winning the Guru Contest.

I think the biggest argument would be where to place Samus and Ganon.

And also whether Vincent should be given 2 different values, pre and post AC's leakage.

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Jman_gamerX8 59.94% 205 * It's not even close folks.
sidharta 40.06% 137 * Fair warning to any who dare to challenge Jman_gamerX8.

Nothing in the stats makes me happier than Cecil finishing higher than no fewer than four different RPG mains.

5, actually. <_<

Yuri, Laharl, Vyse, Ness and Lloyd
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All my base are belong to Jman_gamerX8. Congrats! ^_^

Seeing Vyse so low makes me sad.
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I know what I'm getting into, I don't care if I die trying!-Peppita Rossetti

Seeing Vyse so low makes me sad.

He really deserved it though, for tricking many into thinking that Tifa is a powerhouse.

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Jman_gamerX8 59.94% 205 * It's not even close folks.
sidharta 40.06% 137 * Fair warning to any who dare to challenge Jman_gamerX8.