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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 263
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:35:02 AM | Message Detail
Go Go Sephiroth, you can do better than this. Oh, and 38% on this Link, like Mario was pointed at, it pretty damn good.
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From: creativename | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:36:46 AM | Message Detail
Another win by Sephiroth!

Good stuff, good stuff.
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From: RevolverAk47 | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:37:06 AM | Message Detail
sephiroth should get 45% at least. I dont see this years mario not breaking 40 on link when 2k2 mario got 38. Mario has shown a bigger increase then Link.
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From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:37:18 AM | Message Detail
creativename, maybe you could put up an in-depth explaination of lineraity and transitivity in the "X-Stats Explanation" section of your site. That way people could just link to it whenever the issue comes up and you wouldn't need to keep rewriting your explaination.
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From: creativename | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:38:00 AM | Message Detail
True.

But.

Lazy.

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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:38:07 AM | Message Detail
Ew, after the TP fest that was Link/Cloud (c'mon, only one OoT pic and the rest for TP???), now we have nearly half the pictures here using that same KH art for Sephiroth. Oh, well...at least Link is a little more varied this time.
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From: creativename | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:41:30 AM | Message Detail
BTW, in case anyone missed it, the reason I mentioned this pic is because it's backwards:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b66-2.jpg
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:42:50 AM | Message Detail
Yeah, I noticed that. Suddenly Ceej's reasons for rejecting the reversed pics don't hold so much water, huh?

Oh, and I was wrong. That same KH art is in MORE than half of the Sephy pictures. >_<
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From: sidharta | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:43:24 AM | Message Detail
Link has mostly good pics here, except for that one "Young Link".

Seph's AC pic didn't look good at all, and that "dark Seph" doesn't look good either.

All in all though, Seph get better pics than Cloud.

Cloud's AC pics didn't do him justice at all, as they're all trailer quality.

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From: Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:46:17 AM | Message Detail
"Link has mostly good pics here, except for that one "Young Link"."


OOT/MM Young Link actually looks pretty good. I doubt it would cost Link many votes, as long as it wasn't WW Link.

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From: ExThaNemesis | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:46:29 AM | Message Detail
Sephiroth well over 46% after splitting an update down the middle. <33
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From: Eternal Neo | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:52:57 AM | Message Detail
BTW, in case anyone missed it, the reason I mentioned this pic is because it's backwards:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b66-2.jpg


Also, it's very similar to http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/b66-6.jpg

Just a little thing that irritates me.

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From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:56:27 AM | Message Detail
0:55
Link vs Cloud 2k5- 4218
Link vs Sephiroth 2k5- 4340

Very nice vote totals so far. Let's see if it can keep up during the rest of the match.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:57:29 AM | Message Detail
That makes me mad, too; the pic was screwed up and it looks almost like a double. Ridiculous.
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From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted: 9/22/2005 12:58:37 AM | Message Detail
Sephiroth might break 45% on Link.Not bad.
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From: RevolverAk47 | Posted: 9/22/2005 1:02:12 AM | Message Detail
That'd be a really good job if he broke 45 considering no one besides Cloud ever have.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/22/2005 1:02:20 AM | Message Detail
Well, I'm goin' to bed...Sephiroth is impressin' so far though. Now bad, silver-haired one.
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From: TheCruelAngel | Posted: 9/22/2005 1:03:50 AM | Message Detail
Link vs Cloud:
2005-09-20 01:00:00
Link: 2301
Cloud: 2197
Link: 51.16%
Cloud: 48.84%
Total votes: 4498
Lead: 104

Link vs Sephiroth:
01:00:01
Link: 2462
Sephiroth: 2123
Link: 53.70%
Sephiroth: 46.30%
Total votes: 4585
Lead: 339

This is also the point where Cloud starting gaining constantly on Link.

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/22/2005 1:04:35 AM | Message Detail
That'd be a really good job if he broke 45 considering no one besides Cloud ever have.

Agreed; not even a WDF-enhanced Sephiroth on a weaker Link could break 44%. If Sephiroth stays above 45%, that'd definitely be something.

Seriously goin' to bed now.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/22/2005 1:08:28 AM | Message Detail
This is also the point where Cloud starting gaining constantly on Link.

And just then, Sephiroth takes his biggest update from Link yet. >.<
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/22/2005 1:11:14 AM | Message Detail
Also, if the percentage trends for Link/Cloud hold steady at this point, Sephiroth should hold on to 45% by the tip of his Masamune...doubtful, though.
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From: creativename | Posted: 9/22/2005 1:12:16 AM | Message Detail
1:10 in, Cloud had 49%, and finished with 47.56%.

Giving Sephiroth the same proportion gives him 45.3%. I'd be quite happy with that.
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From: creativename | Posted: 9/22/2005 1:17:03 AM | Message Detail
Another good sign for the wielder of the Masamune is that be barely budged from this point against Mario.
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From: Zylo the wolf | Posted: 9/22/2005 1:36:54 AM | Message Detail
This match proves that the Spring contest couldn't be compared to the summer contest.
Go Sephiroth, do better than Cloud!
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From: Zylo the wolf | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:06:42 AM | Message Detail
Nice, Sephy has more % than what Cloud ended with. I hope he can keep this up and end above 45%
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:21:13 AM | Message Detail
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/21/2005 11:10:29 PM | Message Detail | #085
Leonhart, with your biased crazy-talk like Squall > Magus, you'd be ignored by people who truly know what they're talking about, like Ulti. =P


Hey now, if it were up to me, I'd replace Vlado and Inviso (whom practically no one wants on the Crew, anyway) with you and Leon.

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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:21:51 AM | Message Detail
I'll just throw my two cents in here on adjusting Samus: It is absolutely nonsensical to adjust Samus ahead of Mario. If she were truly the strongest character in the bracket, she'd have won that match. There's no character she can beat that Mario can't beat, and she can't beat him.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:22:14 AM | Message Detail
And no offense Slow, but I'm not buying your stats at all. You're too worried about factoring in the old numbers.

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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:24:24 AM | Message Detail
From: TheCruelAngel | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:41:58 AM | Message Detail | #131
Meh. I don't like those adhusted stats. :P


Me either.

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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:27:53 AM | Message Detail
And I don't particularly like giving Squall his 2003 value, a value we can't even be 100% is accurate, and Squall certainly didn't perform like it was based on Vincent.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:30:18 AM | Message Detail
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/22/2005 5:21:51 AM | Message Detail | #227
I'll just throw my two cents in here on adjusting Samus: It is absolutely nonsensical to adjust Samus ahead of Mario. If she were truly the strongest character in the bracket, she'd have won that match. There's no character she can beat that Mario can't beat, and she can't beat him.


Amen.

On a related note, though plenty of people have their own version of the stats, creative is the one who eventually winds up making the stats that all of the casual visitors use. I doubt he'd adjust Samus over Mario, because creativename isn't stupid.

Though I do hope that creative doesn't wind up adjusting the Devil Division, because I don't find that one to be too bright of an idea either.

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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:31:21 AM | Message Detail
Heh, Sephy's already won 10 five minute updates in the first two and a half hours. Good job.
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From: TheCruelAngel | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:34:15 AM | Message Detail
I agree.

As fas as I can see, Samus(and maybe a few notable others? Meh. I can't remember.) is the only one that needs adjustment for the sake of the huge SFF. She should not be adjusted above Mario, though, at it makes no sense at all.

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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:36:49 AM | Message Detail
Make that 11.

Sephiroth isn't letting Link pull away at this point, though I'm sure that'll change come morning. I'm just interested in seeing if he holds up better with the day than Cloud did.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:40:33 AM | Message Detail
Wow, that was a pretty big update for Sephy. 20 votes off.
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From: Zylo the wolf | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:41:25 AM | Message Detail
Am I the only one who thinks that Seph might end up better than Cloud? Anyway go Seph!
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:42:22 AM | Message Detail
78% isn't really surprising.. the final piece of evidence in the "people paid way too much attention to the Villain contest".

Or the fact that anyone with a brain saw it coming.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:43:56 AM | Message Detail
I have to hand it to Seph for holding out for so long. We all know he'll get killed later, but I hope he stays above 45%.

Anyway, here are the adjustments I think need to be made:

Samus - And since none of us will agree on where she belongs, I'd say to stick her smack in the middle of Mario and Crono and be done with the argument. Creative may use a constant Crono for that one, but I don't think Crono was constant this contest for the simple fact that I don't buy Mario jumping 15% because of a couple of DS/sports titles. Crono just made Mario look better than he truly is.

Yoshi - Assume a constant Laharl. What else can we do? Dunno what type of problem this could cause with Luigi, but it's not like it matters.

Ness - Just use whatever gives him his highest value (Auron through Tails, I believe?); he deserves it <_<

Pac Man - Use Spring 2005 Ocelot. I don't think Ocelot is as weak as the unadjusteds will say, and given that he had a match with Bowser not two months ago...



That's it. You don't need to adjust the Devil Division, and Zebes will fall into place after you adjust Samus.

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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:45:45 AM | Message Detail
Then Link struck back with a vengeance on that update.
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From: TheCruelAngel | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:48:47 AM | Message Detail
Link started gaining on Cloud at exactly 3:00, 12 minutes from now. Up to that point, Cloud constantly gained.

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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:50:46 AM | Message Detail
Okay, at this point, they just seem to be trading off.
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From: Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted: 9/22/2005 2:51:42 AM | Message Detail
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From: TheCruelAngel | Posted: 9/22/2005 3:16:07 AM | Message Detail
The updater missed a couple of updates. :P

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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/22/2005 3:17:55 AM | Message Detail
Indeed. For that five minute update, they actually went 50/50.

Interesting that Sephiroth is actually holding up better at this moment than Cloud was. The day vote may not be as comparatively unkind to him.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 9/22/2005 3:19:18 AM | Message Detail
Alrighty, I finally got off the lazy butt and updated the APOM page.

Time for odd matches. What should go in there (please don't suggest anything from WDF, 20XXDF, or Mario/Samus, because those are already covered)? My opinion:

Tifa/Vyse
Mario/Cloud
Link/Magus (and Ganon/Tidus/Magus, perhaps; screw it, I should just make up an EDF 2003 section)
Master Chief/DK

Man, I'm drawing a blank here. Any others?

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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/22/2005 3:25:48 AM | Message Detail
Eh, spoke too soon. Link was just a little late with his entrance to dominance today.

Odd matches, huh? I can't think of any 'provably' wrong ones, though there's the potential for weirdness in the Mega Man/Yoshi/Pac-Man/Ocelot debacle, as well as touching upon Link/Mega Man SFF if that hasn't already been done.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/22/2005 3:31:08 AM | Message Detail
Okay, WTF, I take that back, he IS holding up better. What the hell, LOL **** you Sephiroth.
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From: dethfdddddh | Posted: 9/22/2005 3:40:49 AM | Message Detail
Hello Link's morning vote.
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From: Dark115 | Posted: 9/22/2005 3:42:38 AM | Message Detail
I'd be funny if Seph did better than Cloud. Then people would be all like OMG!!11 teh Sephiroth is sTrog3r. And if there was a Seph vs. Cloud next year people would take Seph as an upset pick AGAIN
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From: TheCruelAngel | Posted: 9/22/2005 3:45:33 AM | Message Detail
Link's morning and afternoon vote > > > > > > > all, yo. ;)

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