This match proves that Bowser > Mario, Snake is as strong as his match with Sora suggests, and that he was SFF'd by Mario, by the way. Just letting everyone here know.
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*slaps cn silly for not having faith in Sephiroth*
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Maybe anti-voting in the Spring Contet made a much bigger impact than anybody imagined...

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If Boswer>Mario and Snake>Bowser, then that would mean Snake was rSFF'd by Mario ;)

Even joke assertions need to have some internal consistency...

(of course, you could also say that Bowser>Snake, and Bowser simply threw the match! Bowser is a true genius)
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His genius is lost on us fools, after all.
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"What is most important to you, Cloud? Would you give me the pleasure of taking it away?"

The numbers Bowser and Ganondorf got on Sephiroth apparently weren't legit, and Cloud and Sephiroth have obviously gained from AC. Think of how strong that makes Link look.

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I actually stated prior to the Snake/Bowser match that Bowser would throw the match, as Bowser himself obviously doesn't care to face Mario yet again.

No; that is for his minions, such as Sephiroth, to do. Though, don't tell Sephiroth Bowser called him that <_<

But really, you could certainly make the case that Bowser has been pulling the strings of these contests from the start. He is the true contest Mastermind. Every contest has resulted in Bowser's objective being met: the total humiliation of Mario. Let's look at the data:

2K2 - Mario is the heavy favorite, and ends up getting annihilated by Link

2K3 - Mario is completely wrecked worse than anyone foresaw by Sephiroth

2K4 - Loses badly to Crono

2K5 - Mario becomes *the* most hyped up character and the Mario bandwagon grows rapidly as the contest goes on; there are even whispers of him beating Sephiroth. Only to end in him getting blitzed.

Listen close, and you can hear Bowser belly-laughing in the background...

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Indeed.

I just can't imagine a good portion of the voting base abandoning Sephiroth after helping him vaporize poor Liquid Snake. The vast majority don't frequent Board 8 and couldn't care less about contest history.

Seph's last three matches had the best votals in the contest, and while anti-voting had to play some part (as always) Bowser & Ganon did way too well to have prospered off that alone.

To me, the REAL mystery of the spring contest is Ocelot, and how he managed to swipe 34% from a roided Bowser to being so much fodder here. The only thing that comes to mind was that Revolver benefits from having lower vote totals in his matches, as to alleviate his slaughter.
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That doesn't explain why Mario is getting rocked harder than Bowser did. If the Villains Contest was truly legit, then this this suggests the work of AC to me. Or, you know...Sephiroth's acting up again, and will fail to break 30% on Link tomorrow because he can do that.
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With those stupidly high stats you guys have been giving Mario, this puts Sephy at 49.2% on Link.
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Mario should bring it back some with the day and the match should end 55/45
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On Base Link. Which is less than 46% on 2K3 Link. And Link has probably gone up a bit this year too.
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I find it difficult to see Sephiroth losing the day vote that badly, given his history.
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Heh. I wouldn't put that past Sephiroth.

I really don't think Ganondorf & Bowser should sit quite as high as they do in SpC2K5; still, they've proven themselves to be a force to be reckoned with here and legitimate high upper-carders.

And if - and this is a HUGE if - the only reason Cloud wasn't dust in the wind yesterday was for the leak of Advent Children then 2k5 Link is the most monstrous mamma-jamma ever to set foot in this contest.
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"this puts Sephy at 49.2% on Link."

Not that I'm saying it's right, but he has been up that far before.
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55/45 was sorta ofa rounding thing. I think Mario can crape past 44% by then if he can stabalize fast enough. I don't expect Seph to lsoe the day vote by a lot, but I do expect him to lose some.
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"And if - and this is a HUGE if - the only reason Cloud wasn't dust in the wind yesterday was for the leak of Advent Children then 2k5 Link is the most monstrous mamma-jamma ever to set foot in this contest."


Theres not really many other explanations. Either Link is strong as hell, or hes losing to Sephiroth tomorrow who magically gained by an insane amount over the course of a couple months. Which do you think is more likely?

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Historically speaking it would actually be a bit of a twist for Sephiroth to lose percentage with the day vote at all.

Anyone have the the 2K3 Sephiroth/Mario updates? Sephiroth gained pretty much throughout there IIRC.

Given the seeming night/day asymmetry of The Boost, I can see Mario cutting into Seph's percentage a bit though. But it shouldn't be by very much, if he does it at all.

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"this puts Sephy at 49.2% on Link."


Do you honestly expect Sephiroth to do that well on Link tomorrow after he just gave Cloud the worst beating of his life? Cloud is supposed to be stronger than Sephiroth. You guys need to reset base Link based on 2K5 Link.

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That last part is what I'm counting on. This isn't quite the same Mario, and his day vote is vastly improved. Sure, Seph doesn't typically lose the day vote, a fact I'm happily aware of, but this is one time I think he could.

Also, it's absurd to think that Link isn't stronger than last year and that he is by any means going to lose to Seph (though I'd pay to see it). By the way he beat Cloud (who may have benefited from AC), it's clear that I underestimated the far reaching implications of the boost. Link is up again, even if it's only slightly.

That said, I'd be overjoyed to see Seph 2k5 = 2k3.
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Sephiroth's on the cusp of 58% now.
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"Cloud is supposed to be stronger than Sephiroth."

There's a serious chance that even without the PGC votes and the SMS boost that Cloud would have been outranked by Sephiroth in 2k2, it's not out of the question for Sephiroth to outrank Cloud.
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58%? Well, I should pay more attention, no way Mario brings it back to 44% tomorrow.
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But that was 2002 and 2002 had very messed up stats in comparison to 2003. Ever since 2002, Cloud has always been stronger. Hes beaten and outperformed Sephiroth on numerous occasions.

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58%? Well, I should pay more attention, no way Mario brings it back to 44% tomorrow.

What do you believe the match finishes at as of now?
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Seph should clear at least 57%
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"But that was 2002 and 2002 had very messed up stats in comparison to 2003."

And this contest doesn't?
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1776

Are you going to try and tell me that thats rSFF?

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Hey what percentage Link won and with how many votes ahead of Cloud?
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http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=2129

All the stats are right there.
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This is a freaking massacre. If Mario doesn't bring this down with the day vote, it's Mario/Sephiroth 2k3 all over again.
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Don't tell me that there were even one person who believed that Mario had a change???
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Don't tell me that there were even one person who believed that Mario had a change???

Not one. Several.
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Very few people thought Mario had a good chance after his last few battles, but early on many people were looking for Mario to take out Seph, and even after those battles people weren't counting Mario out. But this kind of a beating, *especially* after what we saw Bowser do to Sephiroth...most people didn't see that coming.
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I haven't see AC yet,but is Sephiroth in that movie?Don't spoil this to me.If he is then that is maybe why he is winning...
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I haven't see AC yet,but is Sephiroth in that movie?Don't spoil this to me.

'kay?
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Huh? Do I...do I tell you if he was in the movie or not...?
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Just say yes or no people.
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Wouldn't telling you *spoil* it?

Nevermind the preview's been out forever, but still...
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Well okay whatever.I guess he is in then.Maybe that is why he is winning,because it seems that FFVII got a boost if we see what Vincent did.
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Are you going to tell me that characters can't change strength? It's completely apparent that Cloud and Seph aren't joined at the hip and that they can raise and fall independant of eachother. While I don't think Seph would beat Cloud, even now, I do think that he'll do almost as well as Cloud did on Link.
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But this kind of a beating, *especially* after what we saw Bowser do to Sephiroth

As a Bowser fanboy, Karma Hunter, allow me to address this issue.

The thing here is that people assume, just because Mario SFF'ed the crap out of Bowser in 2K4, that Bowser is significantly weaker than Mario, or that Mario is significantly stronger than Bowser.

Not actually true. Against any opponent other than Mario, Bowser is fully capable of putting up astronomical, near-Noble Nine quality numbers. Unfortunately he was given a very tough path to the Elite Eight, so it doesn't look like Bowser's all that strong just because there's no shocking blowouts in his favor. BUT, he performed very well against Ryu (did better than Snake once had!), and certainly stepped things up against Solid Snake himself.

You and I are both Snake fanboys (and I love Snake even more than I love Bowser), so yeah, we can gripe about Snake having gotten a shoddy picture. Even with MGS artwork, however, Bowser still would -- by all accounts -- have performed very well against Snake, perhaps more in the 47-48% level, but still extremely notable nonetheless. 2K5 provides feasible grounds to argue that Bowser at least is equal to, if not greater than, the power of every Non-Noble Nine character in the contest. I'd suspect only Vincent and Ganondorf would even have a chance against him.

My point being? Bowser getting over 40% on Sephiroth is pretty impressive...until you realize that Bowser's nearly at Snake's level, so 40% on Sephiroth is really expected, not shocking. If Bowser and Mario were characters from different series, I'd fully expect Bowser to get a very healthy percentage on Mario.

Anyway: remember that 6:00 last night was when Cloud actually was leading Link. I suspect this percentile will be as high as Sephy will ever get. I expect things to cool down quite a bit for him percentage wise with the day vote, and though Sephy will still win, it won't be the convincing blowout it looks like right now.

Then you're going to be disappointed tommorrow, I believe.

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Seph is, I believe, better with the day than Cloud.
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I honestly cannot believe the RKOing that Seph is doing to Mario right now.

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Cheer up Emo kids.

And as I say that Seph's % has significantly dipped the last two updates.

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To the Bowser fan that posted:Bowser is the only one that isn't in the Noble Nine and he has lost only to Noble Nine members right?And he can put up quite a fight with anyone in the Noble Nine?
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It wouldn't actually surprise me if Bowser was elite... unfortunately anyone who is pushing the boundary has a lot more work to do to prove themselves. Especially Vincent, who has had the least number of opportunities to prove himself but is in fact pushing the limits, if not crossing them.
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Looks like Mario will be making somewhat of a push with the day vote after all.

Odd that Sephiroth has seemingly become night vote oriented relative to Mario. If anything I thought they'd cancel out.
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It's actually quite sensible... "the boost" has come in the form of a day vote machine and if AC was to make a significant difference (an argument that's mostly dead after yesterday) it'd be most likely at night. Relative to Mario, Seph should be a bit weak in the day. He's not exactly going to fall apart, though.
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