If your going to shamelessly echo someone spouting one-sentence absolutes, you could at least get their name right. It was Mugen.

... Er, he did get it right. And "If you say so" wasn't exactly brilliant either. Look at the profile - my AIM and e-mail should give that away.

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Second rule of war! He who holds the land can conquer heaven!

*renames Clinkeroth as Link*

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I don't have an ego.
I'm way too cool for that.

Nice. Cloud won an update.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

And with that update, we break 100,000. Cloud's also about to drag Link under 53%.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

Link really doesn't want to give up 53% here.

Is this match on pace to beat Clink II?
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

No, we're way behind.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

I said 115k.. looks like I went under by a few thousand at least. I'm impressed, I didn't think casuals would know this was coming since they haven't had any matches all year.
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I really doubt that Advent Children is going to do much for the FFVII crew.

It's a big movie, yes, but only among FFVII fans. If you haven't played FFVII extensively you are almost certain not to give a **** about it.

Besides, Link is still beating Cloud worse than last year, even with the AC leakage.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

What does everyone think Mario can get tomorrow?
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

I'm going to guess 46%.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

man, I just realized that this is the first time I've gotten a Link/Cloud matchup correct. crazy.

I say Mario can get 47-48%, maybe more.
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I disagree with you Phediuk. I have friends that won't play any RPG because it's turnbased and love Advent Children because of the CG.

I'm hoping Mario can do better than Samus did in 2002, but it's going to be tough.
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"Waspinator has a headache in his whole body" - Waspinator, Transformers: Beast Wars
I newb me wanna ask newb question - mjbolin

Mario with 50.42% >_>

Again, I'll say this about Advent Children. I think it will do little to nothing for Cloud and Sephiroth since they are already well-established and have many defining and polarizing moments in FFVII. The same goes for Aeris, of course. However, Vincent and Tifa have a lot to gain. Tifa has fewer defining moments in FFVII than the aforementioned three, and Vincent had practically none. In AC, Tifa was made to not only be more likable, but to have far more important, memorable scenes. As for Vincent, everyone I know who's seen the movie has commented on how badass Vincent's intro was.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

Tifa was a big player in FFVII. She played a very significant role.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

yeah, I believe Vincent has a lot more to gain than anyone. I don't think AC is the same to everyone, cause Cloud is already well-established, as is Seph. plus, Vincent may have had one of those "sunshine moments" where the leak hit like a day before his match with Crono.
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I never denied that she had a significant role. She just doesn't have any real moment where everyone says "Wow, I really remember Tifa for doing [moment]." Well, except maybe her boobs.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

You mean, other than that whole helping Cloud find himself stuff, which might have been somewhat important.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

Even then, Tifa didn't really have the spotlight, Cloud had it. Cloud had most of the game, Aeris had the spoiler, and Sephiroth had the fire walk.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

Honestly, only Cloud was featured more prominently in disc 2 than she was.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

Leon's right here. Tifa had plenty of development on disc 2.
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*FFVII SPOILERS JUST IN CASE*

What myself (and my best friend, we've talked about this) consider to be the most memorable Disc 2 moments:

-Rufus stares down Diamond Weapon
-The appearance of the weapons
-Cloud hands over the Black Materia
-Weapon vs. Junon
-Cloud's sequence leading to him rejoining the party

Only in the last one is Tifa a main figure, and even then she's overshadowed by Cloud. She has the attention solely on her much more often in AC then in the game.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

*FFVII SPOILERS*

Tifa is there for 4 out of 5 of those moments. You HAVE to take her into the crater, a turning point in the game. Sephiroth poses several questions to her regarding Cloud. Cloud has a specific apology just to her. Sephiroth impersonates her to get the Black Materia. She's the one you have to get out of the gas chamber. She has that nice slapping match with Scarlet. She's the one you control right after that. She's the one who stays with Cloud when he's in the clinic, and she's the one who helps him find himself. She's the one who stays behind at the end of disc 2, and they have their "special moment" together.

Tifa has plenty of scenes where she is distinctly featured.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

Meh, I was really trying to get across the point that none of her moments have the impact of the spoiler or the fire walk or any number of scenes involving the weapons. I think it got lost in the arguing that I was trying to say that Advent Children could really help her because she is extremely memorable for something other than her design.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

...But what exactly does she do where SHE is prominently featured to an extent more than anything else than FFVII? The fight with Loz? That's all she has that's uniquely her own.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

That should be enough to help her. Just like Vincent's intro, Tifa's fight is one of the most talked about parts of AC.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

Tifa got very little, if any, character development in AC. she character development was basically that she's a girl that can kick ass. otherwise, she didn't really do much of anything.

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She's a fighter and a girl who is hopelessly in love with Cloud, which is obvious just by the way she looks at him (plus, she's wearing a ring on her right hand).

It makes me angry that Cloud is so dense that he doesn't realize how much Tifa loves him. Bahhhhh.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

I've just realized that with this match, I have not failed to call a Cloud/Link match correctly. I had Cloud winning in 2003 (though I had Sephiroth beating him in the finals >_<), and I had Link winning in 2k4 and today. Amazing. <_<
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*is Karma Hunter*

Just as a friendly reminder, be careful about spoiling FF:AC for those of us who haven't seen it yet. I'm gonna try to get around to it tomorrow, myself...maybe Thursday.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

There's not a whole lot to spoil, really.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

Yeah, there's almost no plot. Just a bunch of ridiculously over the top fight scenes.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

i don't have time to say much, but this struck me as one of the most asinine comments in this topic. so, the 100,000+ people who would buy AC in the first week of it's release will have already illegally downloaded it within that same week. good grief.
personally, i think Cloud would have kept this much closer and possibly even won if Advent Children hadn't been delayed.


I think you're being sarastic, but it already has been downloaded over 100,000 times. It's pretty obscene how popular it is.

Tifa has plenty of scenes where she is distinctly featured.

So you're saying she's not as popular as Aeris just because she's not as likable?

Her fight with Loz was the best part of the movie, easily. It was kinda 'meh'ish until then, but that fight was just absolutely incredible.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

So you're saying she's not as popular as Aeris just because she's not as likable?

Actually, she's about equal to Aeris if Snake is at his 2003 level.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 9/20/2005 4:51:01 PM | Message Detail | #073
I just wonder how strong Crono would be if he actually spoke. ...I'd venture a guess that he'd be top three.

I think being a mute works as part of his appeal. Saying nothing makes a character harder to hate, which could potentially give him more fans then he'd have if he spoke.

y'know. i could probably agree with that. i actually liked Squall until the bonehead started talking. if he was a mute for the entirety of FF8, i most likely would have tolerated him or even liked him a bit.

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"Start wearing purple, for me now. All your sanity and wits, they will all vanish, i promise. It's just a matter of time..."

I know I like Mega Man a hell of a lot more when he doesn't talk than when he does (NES MM > all), and Link is another favorite of mine...so, maybe if Crono said the right things, but otherwise he's probably best off being a mute.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

I'm more of a mixed bag, I guess, since some of my favorite characters don't say much, but most of them are the well-developed type.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

Link seems to be falling in percentage now. Cloud has a small chance of bring Link under 52%. Even if he does, it's still a very dominating performace by Link today. He'll break 55% next year with TP. =D
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''If I were the rain that binds together the earth and sky, who in all eternity will never mingle, would I be able to bind the hearts of people together?''

Heh, now that I think about it...

1-Mega Man
2-Knuckles
3/4-Link
4/3-Mario
5-Sonic

...Master Chief is high on there too somewhere, so I guess my game character-preference is one of few/no words. I love Conker and Solid Snake too though, so it's not entirely one-sided.


Leonhart, talkin' 'bout well-developed, I dunno if you saw it in the other topic or not, but I'm startin' to play FFX thanks to my roomy bringing his PS2. Anything I should know about it before I get much further (I'm only at the second save-point thus far)?
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

I don't see Link breaking 55% as any kind of a lock, even with TP in the wings. Cloud will definitely have the American release of AC and KH2 by then, along with any other things Squeenix sees fit to milk him with by that time. And there's no guarantee we won't be seeing another demographic shift as well. We could see Link easily break 55%, but we could easily see nothing of the kind.
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*is Karma Hunter*

And we now pass Solid Snake vs Zelda for highest total votes.

Solid Snake vs Zelda- 107107
Link vs Cloud 2k5(currently)- 107494
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''If I were the rain that binds together the earth and sky, who in all eternity will never mingle, would I be able to bind the hearts of people together?''

Anything I should know about it before I get much further (I'm only at the second save-point thus far)?

Are you talking gameplay mechanics or storyline?
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

Leonhart, talkin' 'bout well-developed, I dunno if you saw it in the other topic or not, but I'm startin' to play FFX thanks to my roomy bringing his PS2. Anything I should know about it before I get much further (I'm only at the second save-point thus far)?

Give Tidus a good chance. He seems whiny at the start, but without spoiling anything, he grows up.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

Ya give Meg Ry- Tidus... that's it a chance... what post # is this?
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"My fingers are tingling. My mouth is dry. My eyes are burning!" -Cloud

Either, but I guess gameplay is more of what I'm lookin' for.

Yeah, Tidus is already a lil' whiny, heh, but I can't hate him; I named him after me, for goodness sake.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Yeah, I would recommend being patient with Tidus. If you don't automatically judge him as a whiner and close your mind to him, you'll really appreciate his character growth.

He's not nearly as whiny as everyone says anyway. All of his mentions of "I'm hungry," "I'm cold," etc. come when NOBODY is around. He's just saying how he feels, and it's not like he isn't supposed to feel that way.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

Oh, and since you now have access to a PS2, get MGS3 (and MGS2, but I'm sure you said you played it) as soon as possible. Good stuff there.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

Mario deserves to win this contest more than fedor deserved to lose the last one.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Now, Link, fill up those polls
So you can move, up the bracket
and when you're feeling down
the Knights will come around
so you'll be brave
and not be a sissy coward

(intermission)

Now, Link, have won the day
Put Cloud, in his grave
Now the children all play
And the posters all say
Link, I think your name shall go down into history!
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''If I were the rain that binds together the earth and sky, who in all eternity will never mingle, would I be able to bind the hearts of people together?''

Mario > Link!
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]