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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 260
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:25:56 PM | Message Detail
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/19/2005 10:43:40 PM | Message Detail | #144
Speaking of new games, if Mario can get a (huge) boost out of thin air, I wonder what Super Mario 128 being a killer app for the Revolution at launch could do for him?


I'd pray for that game to come out during a Mario/Clinkeroth match. Mario over Link would be priceless.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, WC3: Frozen Throne, Advance Wars 2
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:29:01 PM | Message Detail
I think Mario is going to fall below 54% when this match is over, but at least he out did Crono from last year.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)
From: transience | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:30:33 PM | Message Detail
by the way, if the King had a match tomorrow or the day after, he'd beat half the field. I am sure of it.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:30:53 PM | Message Detail
Crono wins another! Come on, get this under 54%.

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“I think my burden has lightened… Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:32:48 PM | Message Detail
Tournament of Champions Match 64 – Link vs. Cloud
Oh yeah, there IS a ToC!

Link
Won Summer Contest 2002 and 2004.
Lost to Cloud in the Final Four in 2003.
Strongest. Nintendo character. Ever.

Finally, we get to see Link in action.

Cloud
Won Summer Contest 2003.
Lost to Mario in 2002 (Elite 8) and Link in 2004 (Finals)
Strongest. Square character. Ever.

And Cloud too….we get to see him in action.

Well, this won’t be long. Both characters have been on the bench the whole Contest, so we know nothing about them yet. All we know for sure is that Link won in 2004, and Cloud won in 2003.

However, looking at events in this Contest, we can make some assumptions on the match. The biggest one to make is an all-Nintendo boost. Yeah, that think that will have Mario and Samus, along with Kirby and Bowser, ranking in the Top 10 in the X-Stats. Luigi also makes a huge jump up the stats and Zelda ranks very high as well. Donkey Kong leaps up, and the lowest ranked Nintendo characters, Ganon, Yoshi and Ness, are all behind SFF. It’s crazy not to see that Nintendo has boosted this year. Now, all signs point to Link getting stronger (yeah guys, he can get stronger too) than before as well. That’s probably the biggest think in Link’s corner, and the biggest difference-maker in this match. He also has a TP delay…

Cloud…has an FF7:AC delay…yep….Nah, I have more. Vincent and Tifa will rank in the Top 15 this year, which is great for 2 newcomers. They share the same game as Cloud, so that might help him. Cloud also has the FF7:AC leak on his side. This makes some think that Vincent overperformed on Crono because of the leak, and this may or may not be true. But hey, more exposure couldn’t hurt him, right?…..right?!?

But yeah, other than that, Cloud has nothing else going for him. Link should be considered a slight favorite going into the match. I think he’ll win, but I’m not counting Bat-boy out.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Link will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Link: 52% - Cloud: 48%



Inviso’s Analysis

Once again, I’m kinda drained from doing 60 match analyses plus Mario, Snake, Crono, Mega Man. Finally, we have a match between two characters I either like, or tolerate. Haven’t had one of these since Crono/Vincent. Link has had a giant Nintendo boost, while Cloud has the recently released Advent Children movie. The thing that’ll make the biggest difference in this match would be the fact that Advent Children has not OFFICIALLY been released in America. There are some, like me, that have yet to even see it.

My Bracket: Link
My Vote: Link
My Prediction: Link with 50.89%
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RIP Samus: Mario, you better take down Seph.
Mario vs. Crono - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Mario (124/160)
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:33:08 PM | Message Detail
Soul’s Analysis

Previous Matches (Honorables)

Link

Defeated: Sephiroth (2002) - 56.65% - 43.35%

Defeated: Mario (2002) - 62.53% - 37.47%

Defeated: Samus (2003) - 62.06% - 37.94%

Defeated: Ganondorf (2004) - 87.9% - 12.1%

Defeated: Crono (2004) - 62.82% - 37.18%

Defeated: Mega Man (2004) - 67.61% - 32.39%

Defeated: Cloud (2004) - 51.82% - 48.18%


Cloud

Defeated: Bowser (2003) - 70.03% - 29.97%

Defeated: Sonic the Hedgehog (2003) - 66.21% - 33.79%

Defeated: Link (2003) - 51.61% - 48.39%

Defeated: Sephiroth (2003) - 51.89% - 48.11%

Defeated: Sephiroth (2004) - 56% - 44%

Defeated: Samus (2004) - 59.01% - 40.99%


Well, here we are folks. The tournament of champions. The four strongest (arguably) characters in the contest will battle it out to decide who really is the champion of the Summer Contest title.

The first match features the two strongest characters in the contest history. Some people argue why this match was placed like it was, and not letting Link face Sephiroth or Mario in the first round, so we can have the epic Link Vs. Cloud 3 in the finals. To tell you the truth, I have no idea why he didn't do it that way. But why are you complaining? Instead of getting 1 good match and 2 crappy matches, we get 2 good matches and 1 crappy match. Sure, the ultimate finals won't look as good considering the second strongest character will already be out, but oh well.

While I'm writing this, Mario is currently laying the smackdown on Crono's candy ass. It doesn't look like Crono can come back from this at all. So, looks like the Sephiroth/Mario match is a lock. Why am I posting this here? I don't even know.

The match in question, Link Vs. Cloud, will be a good one. Both are 1 - 1 against each other. Both are considered the strongest in this contest. Both have won the Summer Contest before. Both have a great shot at defeating the other. Who is going to win?

First off, we have no direct proof that either one of them has gained or fell since last year, since neither of them have been in any matches this year. Although, we have stats on characters from the same games as Link/Cloud. All have been impressive, really.

Zelda came into this contest as a character that had a 50/50 shot against Vivi. She not only managed to win, but she almost landed 60% against the black mage. This match was the starting point for the whole "Nintendo boost" that you keep hearing about. She went on to lose respectably to Solid Snake.

Ganondorf was placed in a FFX four-pack. Like Zelda, he was given a 50/50 shot at defeating Auron. After defeating Yuna, he went on to beat Auron with 54.10% (Perfect predictions rule!). He went on to get SFFed by Samus, who ended up getting SFFed by Mario. Also, he went on to get 41% against Sephiroth in Spring.

Tifa started out looking like an absolute beast. Well, strength wise at least. She went on to put Cloud like numbers on Vyse. Incidentally, everyone believed that she could take down Sonic and end the "Noble Nine" system. Well, she was taken back down to earth by the cowardly green plumber known only as Luigi. Well, not only known, but you get the picture. After only getting 53% on Luigi, people realized they were hyping a lost cause. She did perform somewhat admirably against Sonic though.
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:34:02 PM | Message Detail
Vincent, like Tifa, absolutely destroyed his first round opponent. What was interesting about this match was the fact that it could have gone either way. Kerrigan had a lot of reasons why she could have won as well. What was supposed to be a relatively close match turned out to be a massacre of epic proportions. Vincent went on to win with 79% of the vote. Again, he was placed in another match that could have went anyway. Like before, Vincent defeated Dante, but this time with only 54%. Knocked back down to earth, just like Tifa. He went on to barely defeat Squall, which is a pretty good accomplishment.

But, for some reason whatsoever, he overperformed on Crono. Well, I can't say that for a fact since I have no past information on Vincent. But, that doesn't change the fact that it puts him really high. Meh, more work for whoever is working on the stats this year (although, I would leave the stats the way they are).

So basically, two characters for Link and two characters for Cloud have performed already in this contest. All 4 of those have performed well. So, those 4 show us absolutely nothing.

Now, as we look at the contest as a whole, it seems as if Nintendo has received a boost out of nowhere, while Square has shown to stay relatively the same, or even weakened in some cases (why hello there Magus). That's not looking good for Cloud, while it's looking really good for Link.

So, as of now, it seems that Link has increased since last year. I'm not going to say it's an absolute fact, since, well, I don't really know. Every sign points to it though.

But hold on! Don't be calling the match for Link just yet. You've all probably noticed that FF7 has crept up into the top 10 FAQs list once again, right? That's simply because of the new movie out called FF7: AC. This has, most likely, boosted Cloud slightly. As I said before, Square looks to have weakened. I forgot to say that FF7 (and Squall) seemed to have been unaffected by this. Now, with Cloud getting a slight boost from AC, he's still capable of pulling off a slight upset over Link.

So, since you're all wondering who I would pick in this situation... I have to give it to Link. The Nintendo boost is not something to underestimate. It boosted Luigi, DK, Zelda and even Mario through the roof. If you think that every Nintendo character but Nintendo's most popular character would get a boost, then continue living in your fantasy world. Although Cloud will get a slight boost because of AC, he still needs to overcome a 0.91% deficit he suffered from last year. At the very most, AC could cancel out the Nintendo boost, which would still give Link the win.

Basically, I believe Link has this one won. Not this match, but the entire contest. Seriously, with TP coming up rather soon, I wouldn't want it any other way.

My prediction: Link wins with 52.57% of the vote. Two more matches... Two more matches... I'm sure I could last.
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:34:20 PM | Message Detail
Vlado’s Analysis

This is our last chance to see an interesting match this year... It had better deliver. Link won last year's contest in an impressive fashion and that, along with the hype around his upcoming Gamecube game (which is promising to actually be a good Gamecube game of his) Twilight Princess, are supposed to make him the favourite. However, Cloud had the Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children movie released just recently in Japan... and on the Internet. The result was immediate and obvious - Final Fantasy VII jumped back up in the Top 10 FAQs list and is currently number 3, behind just Square-Enix's latest game, Radiata Stories and GTA: SA. Impressive, to say the least. Besides, Vincent did very well on Crono, who, after beating Rockman by a good margin and then keeping it respectable against Mario, proved that he hasn't weakened much since last year, it was just Mario (and Nintendo) that had gotten a major boost.

That boost, however, is what worries me the most. Link could have benefited from it, and that would make things a bit too difficult for Cloud. But then again, Link might not achieve a jump similar to Mario's. There's simply not much space for him to jump anymore, he's reached the freaking roof in terms of contest performance. Cloud is almost there, too, but almost. Advent Children might be just what would be enough to take this victory, and the championship title with it. As it's more than evident that the winner here will have no troubles with the winner in the other semifinal.

Advent Children was centered around Cloud, he was the absolute star of the movie (despite being overshadowed in terms of coolness by Reno, Rude and Rufus), and everything important in it had to do with him. Now, many people say that only people who are already FFVII fanboys and would vote for Cloud anyway would watch the movie. But that's wrong. Final Fantasy VII and The Legend of Zelda series share a lot of fans, being so popular, and I'm pretty sure that many people who like both, but preferred Link and would have voted for him, relived their love for Final Fantasy VII and Cloud, in particular, after seeing the movie. Those people may be exactly what Cloud needs to make up the difference from the last contest that wasn't all that big anyway.

Twilight Princess was delayed and that ace up Link's sleeve suddenly disappeared. It's a fact – nobody talks about the game anymore. Link doesn't look to get a lot of votes thanks to said hype anymore. The only thing that he can hope to make him stronger is the Nintendo boost that has been evident in the whole contest and I do believe that it will help him a little, but he won't get stronger by the same percentage Mario did no matter what. As I said, there's simply not much higher for Link to go. Basically, the histeria around Advent Children, which is loved by most who see it, and its goal being to mostly please the fans, could prove enough for Cloud to win this particular match, at this particular moment. If the two faced again next year, the outcome could be different, but if Cloud will ever have another chance to beat Link, that chance is now.

Predicted percentage: Cloud with 50.67%.
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:42:15 PM | Message Detail
by the way, if the King had a match tomorrow or the day after, he'd beat half the field. I am sure of it.

Not really as of now he's ahead of...

Albert Wesker
Agent 47
Big Boss
Carl “CJ” Johnson
Laharl
Manny Calavera
Ness
Pac-Man
Revolver Ocelot
Sarah Kerrigan
Vyse
Yuri Hyuga

That's 12. CJ and Ness were SFF by Mario, Big Boss was in Samus' Division and Laharl, Pac-Man and Ocelot were affected by Yoshi one way or another. So that brings the total down to 6. Even with the new game I think he'll would've tooken the bottom quartre.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)
From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:48:52 PM | Message Detail
Meh. The King of All Cosmos was beaten by Tidus. If you get beaten by Tidus, you simply disappear from the contest. The writing is on the wall! Shadow... Claire... Ganon was close to disappearing as well, but he pulled through. Sorry King, you're history. <_<
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."
From: Keno316 | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:49:57 PM | Message Detail
So...where is our fodder line advocate gonna wind up after this?
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*
From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:50:09 PM | Message Detail
Doesn't Mega Man have that same pattern of beating his first round opponents and never having them return?
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"Stay there for me, trapped in memories."
"I...I won't become a memory."
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:51:43 PM | Message Detail
He used to have it for his first TWO opponents, but Tidus had to go and screw that up.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.
From: cyko | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:51:56 PM | Message Detail
the King of All Cosmos will definitely return next year. ;)

but, he'll still be fodder.

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"Start wearing purple, for me now. All your sanity and wits, they will all vanish, i promise. It's just a matter of time..."
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:52:17 PM | Message Detail
So does Mario, what's your point?
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:54:04 PM | Message Detail
For fodder line CATS seems very good right now.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:56:10 PM | Message Detail
So does Mario, what's your point?

If to me, Shadow and Bowser. If to Leonhart (who you probably intended for), carry on.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/19/2005 8:58:02 PM | Message Detail
It was to Leonhart
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)
From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:02:07 PM | Message Detail
Doesn't look like Mario's going to get a 10,000 vote win here.
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"Stay there for me, trapped in memories."
"I...I won't become a memory."
From: Keno316 | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:08:39 PM | Message Detail
For fodder line CATS seems very good right now.

And that just brings up the question...Gordon Freeman...higher or lower?
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:11:06 PM | Message Detail
Haha. Crono has won the past four updates and that most recent one being with 56% of the vote.

Looking good to get this under 54%.

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“I think my burden has lightened… Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:11:38 PM | Message Detail
At the moment:
33 Alucard 26.54
34 Gordon Freeman 26.20
35 Kefka 26.12

42 Riku 23.28
43 CATS 22.13
44 Conker 21.40
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie
From: mr_BRIAN | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:11:42 PM | Message Detail
Freeman is shockingly close to the top half of the field O.o

Sorry King, you're history. <_<

We object.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (0) Voters
From: mr_BRIAN | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:13:02 PM | Message Detail
So if Crono keeps winning updates, Freeman might be above Alucard?

XDXDXDXDXDXD

The Plan is so awesome.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (0) Voters
From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:14:07 PM | Message Detail
It's hilarious the X-Stats say Riku would get less on CATS than Ansem did.
From: transience | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:14:54 PM | Message Detail
we will not be pleased if you keep insulting us.

Kefka as the fodder line sounds good to me. if you lose to Kefka, you suck.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:16:29 PM | Message Detail
Crono wins another 56% update. Oh, this would be so much better if it were actually close. =p

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“I think my burden has lightened… Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:18:20 PM | Message Detail
Has anyone attempted to do the adjusted ones yet? I'm going to get started on Excel right away. To be honest, the things I think can't be adjusted for lack of conclusive evidence are MC's four-pack and especially Leon/Gordon. And don't even get me started on Bowser.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:19:10 PM | Message Detail
Crono wins another 56% update. Oh, this would be so much better if it were actually close. =p

No, I enjoy laughing the complete futility of Crono's abortive comeback. Mario's votes/15 min was way under par that update -- 290 compared to 343 and 387 the last two updates.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie
From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:25:01 PM | Message Detail
Unless we get swerved in the Spring Contest, this is pretty much the only time we'll see Link and Cloud perform in a span of almost 24 months. Hope they bring the votals.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where _______ kicked my ass.
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:26:31 PM | Message Detail
Know what? **** that. I thought someone had the Mushroom, Gear and Dream numbers lying around, but I guess not. That'd have sped up the process tremendously. Oh well, there's always tomorrow.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:26:33 PM | Message Detail
Can anyone please post the entire stats for this contest assuming Mario keeps 54%? Thanks in advance.
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Summer Contest 2005 - 116 points
Nominate Sub-Zero and The Prince of Persia for SC2k6
From: kungfu chicken | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:26:56 PM | Message Detail
i also think kefka would make a good fodder line
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current goty:Advance wars duel strike
possible goty contenders: castlevania dos, we love katamari, mario kart ds
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:29:20 PM | Message Detail
Kefka's just a wee bit too strong for that, to be honest. He's going to come in at what, 22% on BL? I'd think somewhere around 18% would make a lot more sense.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: transience | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:29:53 PM | Message Detail
you know, Crono's isn't getting beat much worse than Mario was last year. sure, he's losing by more votes, but there were less votes last year. he's less than 1% away from the hurt he put on Mario last year.

and Slow, I'll play with some adjusted numbers when the match is final. I'm still not sure what to do with Samus - I refuse to use a value that puts her above Mario. maybe 2k3 Samus or something.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:31:10 PM | Message Detail
I get all sorts of crazy things with least squares, Slow, so I'm going to wait until the ToC is over so I can get a better read on Mario.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:31:25 PM | Message Detail
2003? C'mon now, that's nuts.

Oh, and what do you have planned for Ness/CJ, Yoshi/Laharl, and Pac/Ocelot? Same as me?
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:32:39 PM | Message Detail
There's no real need to mess around with least squares in Kefka's case. Off the top of my head, he didn't fall short of what he did last year by very much. Could be wrong though.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:32:40 PM | Message Detail
1 Mario 50.00
2 Crono 46.00
3 Mega Man 44.76
4 Sonic the Hedgehog 44.43
5 Solid Snake 42.79
6 Bowser 42.29
7 Vincent Valentine 40.57
8 Kirby 40.49
9 Samus 40.21
10 Squall Leonhart 40.09
11 Zelda 39.02
12 Tifa Lockheart 38.74
13 Dante 37.33
14 Zero 37.14
15 Knuckles the Echidna 37.05
16 Magus 36.41
17 Luigi 36.14
18 Master Chief 35.61
19 Donkey Kong 35.05
20 Ryu 34.69
21 Tidus 34.30
22 Ganondorf 32.44
23 Leon Kennedy 31.72
24 Vivi 31.56
25 Rikku 30.72
26 Auron 29.78
27 Sora 29.73
28 Chun-Li 28.84
29 Yoshi 28.57
30 Diablo 27.94
31 Ryu Hayabusa 27.48
32 Tommy Vercetti 26.82
33 Alucard 26.54
34 Gordon Freeman 26.29
35 Kefka 26.21
36 Yuna 25.17
37 Sam Fisher 24.70
38 KOS-MOS 24.57
39 Kratos Aurion 24.17
40 Frog 24.09
41 Kratos 23.61
42 Riku 23.28
43 CATS 22.20
44 Conker 21.47
45 Zidane 21.42
46 Terra 21.28
47 Jin Kazama 21.19
48 Geno 20.17
49 Cecil 20.06
50 Lloyd Irving 19.87
51 Joanna Dark 19.10
52 King of All Cosmos 18.84
53 Albert Wesker 18.01
54 Agent 47 17.40
55 Ness 17.20
56 Sarah Kerrigan 17.04
57 Vyse 16.99
58 Big Boss 16.98
59 Pac-Man 15.53
60 Carl Johnson 15.43
61 Revolver Ocelot 15.14
62 Laharl 15.05
63 Manny Cavalera 13.61
64 Yuri 10.20

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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie
From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:34:15 PM | Message Detail
It's amazing how Ocelot can rank in the top 5 in the Villains Contest and drop all the way to the bottom 5 in the Summer Contest.
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"Stay there for me, trapped in memories."
"I...I won't become a memory."
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:34:34 PM | Message Detail
i also think kefka would make a good fodder line

I'd rather set the fodder line at 20%BL, regardless of whether there's a character there. Or, RPGuy could provide us with the 64th strongest character ever, however inaccurate that may be. Who's that looking like right now?
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:35:07 PM | Message Detail
We were discussing Kerrigan this morning...

57 Vyse 16.99
58 Big Boss 16.98
59 Pac-Man 15.53
60 Carl Johnson 15.43
61 Revolver Ocelot 15.14
62 Laharl 15.05
63 Manny Cavalera 13.61
64 Yuri 10.20


Of these, once the proper adjustments are made, she's going to end up ahead of the only Vyse, Manny and Yuri.

Man, did Vyse ever **** up against Tifa or what?
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:36:44 PM | Message Detail
I'd rather set the fodder line at 20%BL, regardless of whether there's a character there. Or, RPGuy could provide us with the 64th strongest character ever, however inaccurate that may be. Who's that looking like right now?

I'd guess in the Dr. Wily/Nemmy/Jak/Ridley area, which comes out to ~21% on BL. Too high, if you ask me.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:37:35 PM | Message Detail
Oh, no wait, Kerrigan drops down below Vyse if there's so much as a drop of an adjustment on the Devil division. 65th it is. As has been said, the one character the board's been clamoring for for YEARS, and got the most nominations out of every character ever made on this board. Sixty-fifth place. Sixty-fifth place out of sixty-seven. OUCH.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: greatone10 | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:39:20 PM | Message Detail
It should have been Kerrigan in the Villians contest instead of Diablo.
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BertTheOne | Can't hurt this Bert
Nominate Jay Solano & Ifnkovhgroghprm for SC2K6!
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:40:49 PM | Message Detail
"Evil protagonist", blah blah blah.

And besides, now that we know Kerrigan is basically grade A fodder, why replace a decent midpacker with THAT?
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless
From: transience | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:40:51 PM | Message Detail
yeah it's nuts, but putting Samus at 42% looks stupid, basing her off SpGanon is a bad idea and I can't come up with another one.

I'm really not that worried about the rest, they're small adjustments (as in they're not affecting an entire division) that only affect two characters of note, Ocelot and CJ. Ness probably boosted just like everyone else, so we're going to be underrating him no unless we do something crazy. a constant Laharl is probably the best bet with Yoshi and Pac-Man... yuck. no matter what he do, it sucks. assuming Yoshi "old school SFFed" him the same amount that Luigi did makes sense, I guess.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:43:09 PM | Message Detail
I went with Pac-Man 2002, despite THAT value seeming pretty conservative as well, just like what you said with Ness. Speaking of Ness, I put him at a pseudo-SFF-adjusted 2004 value of 22.71% and got a fairly good response. Though it's probably too low as well... but overadjusting is, if anything, even worse than underadjusting.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:43:49 PM | Message Detail
REALLY REALLY ROUGH BASE LINK ESTIMATES WITH NO MATHEMATICAL BACKING WHATSOEVER

1 Mario 42.50
2 Samus 40.80
3 Crono 39.10
4 Mega Man 38.04
5 Sonic the Hedgehog 37.76
6 Solid Snake 36.37
7 Bowser 35.94
8 Vincent Valentine 34.49
9 Kirby 34.42
10 Squall Leonhart 34.08
11 Zelda 33.16
12 Tifa Lockheart 32.93
13 Ganondorf 32.92
14 Dante 31.73
15 Zero 31.57
16 Knuckles the Echidna 31.49
17 Magus 30.95
18 Luigi 30.72
19 Master Chief 30.27
20 Auron 30.22
21 Donkey Kong 29.79
22 Yoshi 29.67
23 Ryu 29.49
24 Tidus 29.15
25 Leon Kennedy 26.97
26 Vivi 26.82
27 Rikku 26.11
28 Yuna 25.54
29 Sora 25.27
30 Chun-Li 24.51
31 Frog 24.44
32 Ness 23.80
33 Diablo 23.75
34 Riku 23.62
35 Ryu Hayabusa 23.36
36 Tommy Vercetti 22.80
37 Alucard 22.56
38 Gordon Freeman 22.34
39 Kefka 22.28
40 Carl Johnson 21.35
41 Sam Fisher 21.00
42 KOS-MOS 20.89
43 Pac-Man 20.77
44 Kratos Aurion 20.54
45 Revolver Ocelot 20.25
46 Kratos 20.07
47 CATS 18.87
48 Conker 18.25
49 Zidane 18.20
50 Terra 18.08
51 Jin Kazama 18.01
52 Big Boss 17.22
53 Geno 17.15
54 Cecil 17.05
55 Lloyd Irving 16.89
56 Joanna Dark 16.24
57 King of All Cosmos 16.01
58 Laharl 15.63
59 Albert Wesker 15.31
60 Agent 47 14.79
61 Sarah Kerrigan 14.48
62 Vyse 14.44
63 Manny Cavalera 11.57
64 Yuri 10.35


Adjusted: Samus, Ness, Yoshi, and Pac-Man, all arbitrarily
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From: transience | Posted: 9/19/2005 9:44:08 PM | Message Detail
oh, and I could see a lot of the board taking Kerrigan over half of the Villain contest had they never seen her in action. I can see it now - debate rages for Kuja vs. Kerrigan, only to find out they both suck royally. people would probably try to adjust it because it 'doesn't look right', too.
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