54%!
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

54%. Le w00t.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Nicely done, Mario, 54%.

*checks numbers*

We're going to need to roughly double the pace though to get to 60+%. Better pick it up.
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*is Karma Hunter*

As for adjustments, really, the only ones that should be made are Samus, Ness, and Yoshi. Sure, there are a few other things that look odd, such as the Dream and Devil divisions, but that should be up to each person to interpret that. There's no way to accurately adjust them.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

Pac-Man!
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

How can we accurately adjust Pac-Man? Spring Ocelot is probably overrated, he was behind SFF maybe three times in 2004, and he was behind SFF again in 2003. The only sure data we have on him is 2002, and I sincerely hope that none of you are crazy enough to think that 3-year old stats are anything other than obsolete.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

Well, how are we supposed to do Samus accurately?
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

You could just, you know, not bother adjusting Samus. No one will agree on where she is "supposed" to be, anyway.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, WC3: Frozen Throne, Advance Wars 2

Wait until Mario/Sephiroth to adjust her. That match should give some sort of bearing on how accurate Spring Ganon was.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
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I'd place her at her 2k4 level myself. It seems the most logical place to put her as long as mario manages to rank ahead of it.
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"The idiots on gamefaqs are easy to find because they always quote themselves" - dragoontheguy

It's still in Japanese though. If I were a huge FFVII fan, I would want to wait until the English version to get the full effect. And the people that are downloading the movie now probably aren't light/casual fans

The people who have downloaded Advent Children are by no means "hardcore FFVII fans" like you might want to believe. The popularity of this expands far beyond the hardcore fanbase and that's just bloody apparent, regardless of what you want to believe. On Board 8 and off of Board 8 this thing is huge. On GameFAQs and off of GameFAQs this thing is huge. It has become FAR more popular than even I had anticipated. Nearly everywhere you go there's a large group of people who have seen the movie already. What's more, the vast majority of the people who have seen the movie like it, even those who are not huge FFVII fans.

To think it did very little to nothing, or denying the possibility, is one of the absurd and stupid things I have seen people do. It's ridiculous to think that this leak has done nothing, especially when the hints are obvious that it has had a big impact from being leaked. It ranks among GameSpot's Top 10 "Coming Soon" titles, was on the "Overall" Top 10, single handedly pushed Final Fantasy VII to number three on the Top FAQs, and was once among the Top 10 Most Wanted FAQs before CJayC removed it due to not being an actual game. Where, oh where, does any of this suggest that it has had a minimal effect? I really do not see how you could just push it aside like it did nothing.

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“I think my burden has lightened… Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife

Frankly, once the contest is over I plan on doing my own adjustments and keeping them nice and quiet until next year (when I'll do another preliminary adjustment based on what happened over the year). Frankly, when the time comes, it'll be nice for us to all have vastly different answers to the same questions.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.

Chichiri wins the stats topic. I'm going to end up doing the same thing.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

It ranks among GameSpot's Top 10 "Coming Soon" titles, was on the "Overall" Top 10, single handedly pushed Final Fantasy VII to number three on the Top FAQs, and was once among the Top 10 Most Wanted FAQs before CJayC removed it due to not being an actual game. Where, oh where, does any of this suggest that it has had a minimal effect? I really do not see how you could just push it aside like it did nothing.

Forgive me for asking, but didn't Wind Waker accomplish much of the same? And yet, we more or less agree that Wind Waker didn't do anything for Link, and that was a game released in English.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

If everyone keeps their personal adjustments silent then this is going to be quite the desolate off season.
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"The idiots on gamefaqs are easy to find because they always quote themselves" - dragoontheguy

Hopefully no one will be stupid enough to back Magus again after he ruined all of your brackets this year.

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"The PS2 had 12,000,000 pre orders. To give you an idea of how many people that is that's over half of the world population." - DifferentialEquation

And yet, we more or less agree that Wind Waker didn't do anything for Link, and that was a game released in English.

Kind of like we more or less agree that Samus did not receive any SFF against Link.

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“I think my burden has lightened… Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife

Forgive me for asking, but didn't Wind Waker accomplish much of the same? And yet, we more or less agree that Wind Waker didn't do anything for Link, and that was a game released in English.

Yeah...but Wind Waker is Link's 12th game. It takes a lot more to increase popularity with such a wide fanbase.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

Kind of like we more or less agree that Samus did not receive any SFF against Link.

Hey, I don't agree with either of those, but that is the general consensus.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

"And yet, we more or less agree that Wind Waker didn't do anything for Link"

No we don't. A lot of people refuse to believe 2k2 Link = 2k3 Link. Where ya been, pal?
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.

Yeah...but Wind Waker is Link's 12th game. It takes a lot more to increase popularity with such a wide fanbase.

Oh, like a one minute trailer of his 14th (I think?) game?
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

w00t! I'm so glad Mario is kicking ass this year! I'm loving this. Be sure to vote for Mario in the Tournament of Champions!
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Vote for Mario, this year's contest champion!
Mario > Crono. Bank on it.

No we don't. A lot of people refuse to believe 2k2 Link = 2k3 Link. Where ya been, pal?

As far as I know, it's just you and me that think 2k3 Link > 2k2 Link. If anything, most people go the other way.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Hopefully no one will be stupid enough to back Magus again after he ruined all of your brackets this year.

Yeah, I'd have to be stupid to back magus over gordan freeman.
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"The idiots on gamefaqs are easy to find because they always quote themselves" - dragoontheguy

Oh, like a one minute trailer of his 14th (I think?) game?

Exactly, I don't believe TP did much of anything for Link. It was all ZCE...2.5-3 million copies with GCNs (far more than WW), and many of those were to non-Zelda fans. It was pretty much only Zelda fans who bought WW, since everyone was so turned off of it.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

"Oh, like a one minute trailer of his 14th (I think?) game?"

I think we've already chalked that up to being more about the Zelda Collectors disc packed in with about a million cubes.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.

...It being the general consensus does not make it correct. Hell, I don't see how someone could really believe that 2002 Link is equal to 2003 Link. But perhaps there aren't as many people who think that same way--I thought there were more people who didn't believe such a thing.

Not that it is surprisingly in the least, considering people thinking Link didn't SFF Samus.

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“I think my burden has lightened… Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife

General consensus is a funny thing, because I am still waiting for a reason why Link didn't SFF Samus. Really. I am.
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*is Karma Hunter*

"As far as I know, it's just you and me that think 2k3 Link > 2k2 Link. If anything, most people go the other way."

Nah, there's more. Heck, I don't think Ulti buys it either, so if he'd push that hard enough I'm sure people would crawl out of the woodwork. Really, I don't think it's a sensible thing to assume, and I'm not sure why we ever did.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.

If anyone dares say that Samus wasn't SFFd by Link after Mario completely ***** slapped her (never mind her going DOWN after Metroid Prime, and anyone denying SFF after that fact in and of itself is just hilarious), my respect points for them go down to like 2 points. Seriously.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, WC3: Frozen Throne, Advance Wars 2

Thinking about it, Slowflake seems to be the only one who REALLY refuses to believe that SFF could have occurred in Link/Samus and that Link could have been stronger in 2003. But I suppose I just remember him arguing against those the most.

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“I think my burden has lightened… Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife

From: Quaarma Hunter | Posted: 9/19/2005 4:29:05 PM | Message Detail | #478
General consensus is a funny thing, because I am still waiting for a reason why Link didn't SFF Samus. Really. I am.

Because the stats say so, of course. T3H W DEE EFF.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, WC3: Frozen Throne, Advance Wars 2

The stats don't say so, though. There are as mnay characters in her half division that went down the next year as those that went up. It's a highly undecided matter, really.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.

Wow, huge update for Mario. 55% doesn't look out of reach anymore.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

Top 16 Update:
1 Mario 50.00
2 Crono 45.88
3 Mega Man 44.64
4 Sonic the Hedgehog 44.31
5 Solid Snake 42.79
6 Bowser 42.29
7 Kirby 40.49
8 Vincent Valentine 40.47
9 Samus 40.21
10 Squall Leonhart 39.99
11 Zelda 39.02
12 Tifa Lockheart 38.64
13 Dante 37.23
14 Zero 37.14
15 Knuckles the Echidna 36.95
16 Magus 36.31
17 Luigi 36.04

Kirby at #7 is something I certainly didn't see coming, even if I had him beating Tidus. And did I say Top 16? Sorry, I couldn't leave Luigi out.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Now that you mention it, Slowflake is the same guy that said Samus > Mario/Crono was a lock. Because of the stats, naturally.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, WC3: Frozen Throne, Advance Wars 2

I agree about the x-st I won't be saying much about the adjustments I'm going to do. In the end I'll probably have a couple of adjustments for a few characters.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

I'd probably still take Samus over Crono, though. That's just the sort of SFF I think Mario laid down.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.

Now that you mention it, Slowflake is the same guy that said Samus > Mario/Crono was a lock. Because of the stats, naturally.

Come on now, you shouldn't bash someone based on one match, or we'd all still be bashing HM because of Mega Man/Link.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

WTF Why would Sora drop like 4% with a new game?

ADJUSTMENT!!
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I know what I'm getting into, I don't care if I die trying!-Peppita Rossetti

That new game didn't exactly make a splash, you know.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.

12th place, here I come. Go Mario!
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Summer Contest 2005 Winner: Mario
Mario will SFF Samus, and pull it out against Crono.

I'd like to congratulate everyone who picked Mario to win it all. You guys took a huge risk and it paid off.

Also the guys who picked Link > Sephiroth, since you'll be winning. ;)
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Return of SF1: YOU DON'T HAVE A CASE!
makeyourchance: Yes I do! It's Samsonite.

Thanks, friend. And now, after Mario has done so much for me, I have to cheer on Sephiroth for the sake of my bracket. A spineless man is I. ;_;
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where _______ kicked my ass.

*steals*

Sephiroth!

#8 ain't so bad...
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"Let's mosey"
Summer Contest Score: 152/160, Predicted Winner: Crono

Nominate Cid Highwind and Red XIII for SC2k6.
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Return of SF1: YOU DON'T HAVE A CASE!
makeyourchance: Yes I do! It's Samsonite.

Nominate Raiden (Metal Gear Solid 2) for the next character contest! You must know the nature of the SFF.
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Squall: "Hi, like Cloud from the last game, I am full of angst and am named after weather."
- Slow Beef

on the leaderboard I mean
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"Let's mosey"
Summer Contest Score: 152/160, Predicted Winner: Crono