Huh? I thought we weren't supposed to use the stats?

Huh? I said that?

Regardless, saying Crono doesn't have a chance based on their past history is pretty ridiculous.
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Yeah, he'd win in a rematch... 7 votes wouldn't be hard to reverse...

And while Crono does have a good shot, Mario has this in the bag. He's going to win a tournament on GameFAQs. Believe it
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Huh? I said that?

Regardless, saying Crono doesn't have a chance based on their past history is pretty ridiculous.

I was responding to Ulti talking about how the stats were the only reason nobody gave Crono a chance.

Regardless, past contests are irrelevant. Things change from year to year, and Crono hasn't had any performances that stand out as "awesome". Mario has, whether you follow the stats or not. His performances are actually more impressive if you don't follow the stats.
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And...what about Master Chief? Please don't tell me you think he dropped the 5% Liquid says he did from 2k3 to 2k5. Crash's fall also becomes absolutely phenomenal. Frog isn't any weaker than MC 2k3's 26.15%.

MC has Halo II between 2k4 and 2k5, enough to save him from falling from grace.

While neither Frog nor LS had any reason to change noticeably with respect to each other, since neither had any recent exposure.

Also, if you believed that Knux had increased from 2k4, then it's extremely likely that Sonic had increased as well.

Making Crono's victory over MM even more impressive.

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If I wasn't a regular here and follow the stats, I would be impressed as hell about Crono, much moreso than Mario. It wouldn't be because of Crono winning against Mega Man and others so much as me putting Mario on such a high pedastal though.....
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Btw, if I had not been following these contests, I would be much more impressed by Crono than by Mario.

Crono defeated MM, who defeated Sonic (SEGA's mascot!), and he also defeated "that Halo guy" (XBOX's mascot!).

While Mario defeated Samus and Zero, names I barely even heard outside of these contests.

It's only because I've been following the X-stats closely did I know that Crono is the heavy underdog going into the match.

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Let's talk about Mario vs. Sephiroth some more. Here's what I posted in another topic:

Mario has a decent shot against Sephiroth. I know stats are often faulty, and that a big deal of SFF is involved, but through Seph/Ganon, Samus/Ganon, and Mario/Samus, it's possible for Mario to at least keep it close. I'd LOVE to see him beat Seph though.
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In 2k2, I had Snake over Mario and Crono. Mario beating Snake so badly would be hugely impressive to me. His 60% on Samus looks even better if you don't know about SFF (I also picked Samus over Sonic, and would've taken her over Mega Man). What Crono's done has been mildly impressive, but we haven't seen any 60-40 crushings from him.

Also, if you believed that Knux had increased from 2k4, then it's extremely likely that Sonic had increased as well.

I do believe Sonic increased. Crono's still no higher than 38.5 though, and that still only gets him 45% on Mario.

MC has Halo II between 2k4 and 2k5, enough to save him from falling from grace.


I'm talking about 2k3 to 2k4, not 2k4 to 2k5.

While neither Frog nor LS had any reason to change noticeably with respect to each other, since neither had any recent exposure.


Plenty of people assumed GTASA would cause a Tommy drop. MGS3 could certainly cause a Liquid drop.

And you're forgetting the most important factor of all...random-overperformance factor, of which Seph is a master. Just as West Division 2k2.
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Should Mario make it to Sephiroth, he'll easily make it much closer than in 2003. He's obviously stronger now than he was then and Sephiroth weaker.

I just don't see it being enough to win. I would predict Sephiroth with something like 53% or so--like I would have against Samus.

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Let's talk about Mario vs. Sephiroth some more. Here's what I posted in another topic:

Mario has a decent shot against Sephiroth. I know stats are often faulty, and that a big deal of SFF is involved, but through Seph/Ganon, Samus/Ganon, and Mario/Samus, it's possible for Mario to at least keep it close. I'd LOVE to see him beat Seph though.

While he certainly DOES have a shot at the upset.

Reversing a 60/40 blow-out is an extremely difficult feat.

It's true that Seph has gotten weaker while Mario stronger, but I don't think Mario has what it takes to avenge himself.

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Crono defeated MM, who defeated Sonic (SEGA's mascot!), and he also defeated "that Halo guy" (XBOX's mascot!).

You think being Sega's mascot actually counts for anything anymore? Samus was the favorite over Sonic in 2k2 (prediction percentage-wise). Sega died a long time ago...even in 2k2 it was a long time ago.
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While he certainly DOES have a shot at the upset.

Reversing a 60/40 blow-out is an extremely difficult feat.


...and yet the best example of such a thing happening is Sephiroth himself.
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You think being Sega's mascot actually counts for anything anymore?

No, but being Sonic certainly does.
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It's worth noting that this match has been within a tenth of a percent for the last ten hours. Kinda odd.
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Yeah, good points. Reversing the 2003 blow out would be pretty tough. But assuming Mario can make it past Crono, Mario will go down fighting against Sephiroth. As it was said, Seph will score 53% at the most.
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No, but being Sonic certainly does.

So then tell me, why was Samus favored over Sonic in 2k2? It's something I've never really understood...unless nobody cares about Sonic anymore.
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In 2k2, I had Snake over Mario and Crono. Mario beating Snake so badly would be hugely impressive to me. His 60% on Samus looks even better if you don't know about SFF (I also picked Samus over Sonic, and would've taken her over Mega Man). What Crono's done has been mildly impressive, but we haven't seen any 60-40 crushings from him.

Well, I barely even heard of Samus back then.

I certainly wouldn't take her over anyone that I know to be mainstream.

Actually, until today, I still don't get where her popularity comes from.

None of her games are mega blockbusters, while Mario had a few.

Seph isn't the most consistent performer there is, but I don't think he would suddenly overperform by about 5% for no reason whatsoever.

His overperformance against Link in 2k2, if you believed it, can at least be attributed to people not wanting to see an all Nintendo final.

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I'm not arguing that so much, though it is puzzling how much more supported Samus was to get to the Sweet Sixteen than Sonic now that I look at it. I just don't think it's fair to say Sonic, like Sega itself, is dead. I'll give you dying, and I'll give you that being Sega's mascot nowadays doesn't mean much...but being Sonic is still a big deal; I don't think he's died out like other character who were once named more popular than Mario (hello, Pikachu and Lara Croft), and he still shows consistant strength on GameFAQs as well as constant recognition amongst fellow gamers I know outside of GameFAQs.
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His overperformance against Link in 2k2, if you believed it, can at least be attributed to people not wanting to see an all Nintendo final.

And his overperformance against Liquid could be attributed to the FFVII PS3 Tech Demo. It was bigger than Zelda at E3, so I can certainly see it bringing a few Seph fans to GameFAQs.
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You think being Sega's mascot actually counts for anything anymore? Samus was the favorite over Sonic in 2k2 (prediction percentage-wise). Sega died a long time ago...even in 2k2 it was a long time ago.

Well, as I said, I barely even knew who/what is Samus back then.

I was quite surprised to see her beating Sonic.

...and yet the best example of such a thing happening is Sephiroth himself.

I didn't remember Seph ever getting beaten 60/40 and then came back to defeat that char.

Nor did I recall him defeating anyone 60/40 only to be defeated by that char the next time they met.

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[The FF7 PS3 demo] was bigger than Zelda at E3, so I can certainly see it bringing a few Seph fans to GameFAQs.

Was it? I should have paid more attention to E3, but if that's the case, hot-damn. I knew it was big, but I understood LoZ:TP was still the main game in the spotlight.
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Indeed. That tech demo was huge.

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The FFVII tech demo was HUGE.

Yeah, and people say Advent Children won't matter.
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So then tell me, why was Samus favored over Sonic in 2k2? It's something I've never really understood...unless nobody cares about Sonic anymore.

1)Samus has awesome design. (though her MP-design annoys me, being MC-like)
2)She's the star of Nintendo's 4th biggest series. It was their 3rd biggest

I had Samus winning the tournament back in 2K2 (in one of my brackets, anyway), quite honestly. =P

Heh, and I was one of the few that was surprised that Samus didn't beat Sonic EASILY.

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I'm not arguing that so much, though it is puzzling how much more supported Samus was to get to the Sweet Sixteen than Sonic now that I look at it. I just don't think it's fair to say Sonic, like Sega itself, is dead. I'll give you dying, and I'll give you that being Sega's mascot nowadays doesn't mean much...but being Sonic is still a big deal; I don't think he's died out like other character who were once named more popular than Mario (hello, Pikachu and Lara Croft), and he still shows consistant strength on GameFAQs as well as constant recognition amongst fellow gamers I know outside of GameFAQs.

Well, yeah, I'm just saying that he's not as popular as Samus, and people have known that since before the first contest.

As for the comparison to MM that was mentioned earlier, I believe that all of Samus's pre-2k2 games outsold all of MM's pre-2k2 games. I don't get how you could hear of MM but not Samus, especially with SSB/M on her side.

I didn't remember Seph ever getting beaten 60/40 and then came back to defeat that char.

I was talking about him going 50/50 with Mega Man and turning that into a 60/40 victory in 2k3.
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Sidharta, I think Seph is being referred to due to the Seph/Mega rivalry; they were very close in 2k2, then Seph blew him away in 2k3. Granted, Seph won both times, but that's my best guess on what he's saying.
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And his overperformance against Liquid could be attributed to the FFVII PS3 Tech Demo. It was bigger than Zelda at E3, so I can certainly see it bringing a few Seph fans to GameFAQs.

Said tech demo didn't bump FF VII into the Top 10 FAQ list.

So I don't think a noticeable increase in FF VII fans going into GameFAQs is possible.

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Said tech demo didn't bump FF VII into the Top 10 FAQ list.

Why would it? It was just a tech demo. It was still huge because it was gorgeous and people got excited about the possibility of a remake.
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I had Samus winning the tournament back in 2K2 (in one of my brackets, anyway), quite honestly. =P

Heh, and I was one of the few that was surprised that Samus didn't beat Sonic EASILY.

Yeah, I had Samus beating Sonic too, and was surprised at the match's closeness, but her prediction percentage was pretty high, and that is what surprises me.

Said tech demo didn't bump FF VII into the Top 10 FAQ list.

You sure about that? I remember it being bumped up to the number 1 game on GS, and I'm pretty sure it was high in the FAQ list too.
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But...Samus had better odds than Sonic, so if anything, I thought Samus would've a higher prediction percentage.

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Looking more closely at the 2k2 prediction-percentages, Sonic, as a 1-seed no less, had no more than 10.79% of the brackets supporting him to the Elite Eight. Also, only 8.04% brackets had Samus getting to the Sweet Sixteen but not the Elite Eight (Samus had 58.02% to the Sweet Sixteen and 49.98% to the Elite Eight). Wow.
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The FF7 tech demo was NOT bigger than TP at this past E3.

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But...Samus had better odds than Sonic, so if anything, I thought Samus would've a higher prediction percentage.

Yeah, I mean, that's the surprising part, that she had higher odds in the first place.
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I remember it being bumped up to the number 1 game on GS, and I'm pretty sure it was high in the FAQ list too.

It was indeed the hottest item among the things covered by GS during that period of time.

But I didn't notice FF VII itself actually rearing it's name on the Top 10 FAQs list.

Btw, if that overperformance was caused by that tech demo alone, you'd better be sorely afraid of what AC might do!

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That's not right. 31% had Samus getting to the Elite 8.

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The FF7 tech demo was NOT bigger than TP at this past E3.

I'm talking GameFAQs-wise. Sure, the tech demo wasn't a big deal to the general public, but the X360 was a big deal to them, so that doesn't really apply to GF.
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That's not right. 31% had Samus getting to the Elite 8.

*rechecks*

*rechecks again*

...oh, ****. I looked at the final percentage. =/ Nevermind my entire last post.
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Btw, if that overperformance was caused by that tech demo alone, you'd better be sorely afraid of what AC might do!

Heh, the tech demo only lasted a couple days, looking at Seph/Bowser/Ganon. If AC has a similarly short effect, there's nothing to worry about.
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When did the tech demo come out, though? Judging by what people said so far, I'd assume it was during Sp2K5? If so, at roughly what point in the contest?

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Oh that's right, I keep forgetting that this topic can't look at things outside of the stats. My mistake.

Oh come on, we're not that bad. Mario's just consistently looked better than Crono has in every single match.

and the tech demo boosting Sephiroth?! ....just...no.
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haha, tech demo boosting Seph.

I'll say Crono has... 16% of the brackets.
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I think most of Crono's looser support will be gone by now. Crono with 23.55% of the brackets.

As a side-note (which will please Leonhart, I'm sure), my room-mate has brought his PS2...and, to my surprise, FFX. I've just now started MAYBE an hour into it, and I like it thus far. Since I now have a PS2 nearby, I may start lookin' for some cheap PS1/2 games, too...but, for now, FFX will work, heh.
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ff10 is a fun game. hopefully you enjoy it.

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Yeah, here's to hoping...I can't wait to figure out why the hell Auron does his arm the way he does though; I don't understand that, I dunno, third sleeve I guess? Gah...

...we're twenty minutes away from the most historic match in GameFAQs history. Any last comments or predictions on it? I'm goin' with Mario by getting 51.25%.
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Mario with 53.82%.
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...we're twenty minutes away from the most historic match in GameFAQs history. Any last comments or predictions on it?

Yes. Where the hell are the match pics? It's the finals, for crissakes.

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eh, because it's Auron and he can do whatever he wants.

I've got Mario with 53-54%. I hope it's closer, but I get the feeling it's not going to be.

as for most historic match, I think Link/Cloud 2k4 probably tops this one just because they're the two strongest and it was a finals rematch. Mario/Crono has more of a rivalry feel, but for history I'll take Link/Cloud.
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FFX is overrated to me. I don't see why people love it so much. It was one of those games that I struggled to complete.... Not because it was hard, but because I was disinterested.

And I absolutely love FF4-9....
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Yes. Where the hell are the match pics? It's the finals, for crissakes.

All the more reason to put them up at the last second. =D
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Pics are up!
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