I know we have to change our opinions with every passing match, but before Mario/Samus no one thought the level of SFF would be that huge, and several thought there would be no sff at all. Stronger characters have shown resistence to being sff'd in the past, so I'm hesistant to believe that most of Mario's victory there was SFF. He's stronger than Samus, sff or otherwise, and that's all he needs to be to beat unimpressive Crono.

And as for Sephiroth, mario's got to be pretty close to him going through Seph-Bowser-Snake-Mario, and if there really was a nintendo demographic shift more in the summer than the spring, higher vote totals could even help Mario more, then.
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I see no reason why mario couldn't have SFF'd samus. It was a unique case. Find a similar example with different results and i might change my mind, but as far as I know there was never a match in a situation where the GAMING ICON was facing off against another icon of sorts from within his own company.
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Link vs. Mario
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

Link is clearly the most dominant character on the entire site (with the possible exception of cloud). I did leave him out but hes alittle different from samus who isn't on that level.
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Mario's not quite close enough based on Bowser. He'd get 47.85% on Sephiroth based on that.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

I still think Bowser overperformed with the Snake pic.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

I still think Bowser overperformed with the Snake pic

YES!!!
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"Let's mosey"
Summer Contest Score: 152/160, Predicted Winner: Crono

I'd move Mario up a bit, not too much, but that Solid Snake sprite would probably cause a little piece of difference.
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I still think Bowser overperformed with the Snake pic

YES!!!

Definitely. Kirby < Zelda.
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I still think Mario has a great shot at taking out Sephiroth...Sephiroth 2k4, that is. = /

With AC, if Sephiroth got ANYTHING from it, I don't see Mario winning. And looking at Vincent, I kinda think he did.
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Kirby Vs Zelda is still up in the air for me.
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Mario/Crono Episode IV - A New Hope/Hoax?

Heh...hopefully it'll be a new HOPE...a new hope that Mario will defeat Sephiroth. We'd probably need to see Mario make just about make Crono look like Solid Snake for that to happen, though...

Speaking of Kirby/Zelda...
1)Zelda > Kirby in 2K3.
2)Tidus is quite a bit above Vivi in the standings this year, yet they were even last year. (plus, Vivi might've been underrated last year)

Here's hoping that Bowser DID overperform on Snake, and that Mario/Crono Episode IV will be A New Hope. ^_~

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"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

So...what's the jury's decision on Master Chief this year, anyway?
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*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

That he's not transitive. Donkey Kong would not beat Luigi, SFF or no.
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In my extremely biased analysis for how Crono could defeat Mario, I've come up with some stuff to support it. (for the purposes of this analysis, I'm assuming Crono=Mega Man)

Values for Mega Man
Through 2K3 Yoshi:
38.17%
Assuming 11.1% SFF against Mega Man for 2K3 Yoshi:
42.37%
Through constant Luigi:
31.26% (um...let's just totally ignore this one)
Assuming Pac-Man = 20.3% and that he suffered the same level of SFF against Yoshi that he suffered against 2K3 Luigi:
42.3%

So, there's actually some reasonable analyses that put Crono up into the 42% range.

Values for Mario
Through Constant Adjusted Zero:
45.72%
Through Constant Unadjusted Zero:
41.14%
Through Spring LSE Wesker:
37.84%
Through 2K3 Zelda:
38.82%
Through Constant Sora:
48.65%
Through Spring LSE Bowser:
41.14%
Assuming Bowser=30%:
35.47%
Assuming Samus=Mario, through Spring LSE Ganon:
44.58%

And working through Ganon/Diablo and Sonic/Diablo, assuming Samus=Mario, you get values of 40.1% for Mega Man and 44.6% for Mario.

(I didn't do any rechecking so there might be errors)

Overall...well, it doesn't look good for Crono. However, it is certainly not overly far-fetched that Crono could win. 42% for Crono seems reasonable with some optimism; and that also doesn't seem too reasonable for Mario. Especially since our faith in Mario is due to the performances of characters so far this contest; and there are many ways to spin those performances.

Sooo...if you use selective reasoning, you can make some arguments for Crono.

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I love how the entire tournament kind of fell into place with this match today. we finally got a read on the trickier part of the bracket, as well as a nice ranking of Sonic/MM/Crono. all that's left is to see just how strong Mario is.
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Tournament Finals Match 63 – (1)Mario vs. (2)Crono

Mario - Don’t roll over to Crono this time, Mario.
Round 1 – vs. Joanna Dark (Mario: 80.90% - Joanna: 19.10%)
Round 2 – vs. Ness (Mario: 82.80% - Ness: 17.20%)
Round 3 – vs. Zero (Mario: 62.86% - Zero: 37.14%)
Round 4 – vs. Samus (Mario: 59.79% - Samus: 40.21%)
Round 5 – vs. Snake (Mario:57.21% - Snake:42.79%)

With Snake’s pretty decent performance, he, Bowser an Kirby all > Samus. Owned.

Crono - Don’t own Mario this time, Crono.
Round 1 – vs. Zidane (Crono: 76.72% - Zidane: 23.28%)
Round 2 – vs. Tommy (Crono: 70.85% - Vercetti: 29.15%)
Round 3 – vs. Master Chief (Crono: 61.29% - Chief: 38.71%)
Round 4 – vs. Vincent (Crono: 55.38% - Vincent: 44.62%)
Round 5 – vs. Mega Man (Crono: 51.00% - Mega: 49.00%) [Estimate]

Mega Man tried to take down Crono, but came a little short.

Well, this match is familiar. One that we’ve seen not once, not twice, but three times! The only way you don’t know about these two controversial histories is if you have been living under a rock. So to you hermit crabs out there, go ask someone else about the past matches, no history lesson here. However, we will look at…their paths….to the finals…*edgy music starts to play in the background*

~Mario vs. Joanna Dark~

Mario: Mamma Mia! You don’t look anything like Joanna!

Joanna: I know, I’m 68.9% more slutty now! What can I do for you big boy?

Mario: You can get the heck away from me you STD infected monster!

Joanna: C’mon baby, don’t be so shy.

Mario: *runs*

Joanna: ;_; *cuts self in the corner* My life suuuucks.



~Mario vs. Ness~

Ness: PK FIRE!

Mario: *dodges and knocks Ness off the stage*

Ness: *thinking* Alright, time to perfectly aim my PK Thunder to hit me in the butt and blast me back onto the stage. I only get one chance at this though. If I mess up, it will be all over for me. You can do this Ness, you can do this…PK THUNDER!

*Ness misses and dies*

Mario: Amateur…what a horrid recovery move anyway.



~Mario vs. Zero~

Mario: Yeah, I fight to rescue the priness and restore peace to Mushroom kingdom. That’s what drives me.

Zero: Uh huh.

Mario: How about you?

Zero: Well….uh

Mario: C’mon Zero, there’s gotta be something you fight for.

Zero: Ummm….

Mario: ZERO, WHAT ARE YOU FIGHTING FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR?!?

Zero: KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!



~Mario vs. Samus~

Mario: Ha ha, Nintendo fans prefer me more than you!

Samus: I should have expected th-

Ulti: LOL X-STATS!

Samus: …Who are yo-

Some n00b: LOL X-STATS!

Samus and Mario: …Wh-

Stats Haters: LOL X-STATS!!!!

Samus: *charges up beam*

Stats Haters: LOL….uh oh…*run*



~Mario vs. Snake~

Snake: Mario, who are the Patriots.

Mario: A football team!

Snake: Mario, Metal Gear?!?

Mario: Uh, I guess so.

Snake: La-Le-Lu-Li-Lo?

Mario: Stop making up stuff.

Snake: Am I fat?

Mario: In that stealth camo you are.

Snake ;_;

*Music changes, now focuses on Crono*

~Crono vs. Zidane~

Crono: ZOMG Mithos 2!

Zidane: Teehee, I’m loli bait.

Crono: Well, I’ll admit it. I’m tempted.

Zidane: Tempted to what?

Crono: Smother you and INAPPROPIATE FOR GAMEFAQS, AVERT YOUR EYES!!!

Zidane: ………Oh Lord.



~Crono vs. Tommy V~

Tommy: I’m washed up.

Crono: It’s not that they don’t like you anymore. They’re just tired of the Hawaiian shirt?

Tommy: Really?!

Crono: No, I lied. You’re washed up. You’re just holding the Hawaiian shirt back now.

Hawaiian Shirt: That’s what I’ve been saying!!



~Crono vs. Master Chief~

Master Chief: I need a weapon.

Crono: You also need a personality.

Master Chief: ….Do you just realize what you said?

Crono: Yeah.

Master Chief: Wait a minute…did Mr. “…” tell me, ME, to get a personality?

Crono: Yeah, I did.

Master Chief: Where can I buy one?

Crono: The Square-Enix store! They have a discount on whiny ones too!




~Crono vs. Vincent~

Crono: I just downloaded your movie?

Vincent: ….whatever…wait a minute, you downloaded it? Where?

Crono: On the Internet!

Vincent: It’s out already?

Crono: No, it got leaked. Thousands of people are watching it and it’s not even out yet?

Vincent: You know what this means…

Crono: Huh?

Vincent: MY POPULARITY WILL RISE LIKE AN ELEVATOR!!

Crono: “…” ;_;



~Crono vs. Mega Man~

Mega Man: This match isn’t over yet!

Crono: Well, you had a chance, but I stole your day vote.

Mega Man: Well…you stink!

Crono: Be quiet! Because of you, Gordon Freeman is stronger than half the field!

Mega Man: …..oops

Crono: Thanks to you, and partly Half-Life 2, GFNW will end. I hope your happy, Mega Dud!



Alright, no big epic final write-up here, just a quick rundown. In 2002, Mario beat Crono because Crono had some massive vote-stuffing issues. In the end, he lost, but kept 2000 of those cheat votes. In 2003, Crono was winning again, until a massive Mario surge in the end. Mario ended up winning again. In 2004, Crono beat Mario rather easily. No epic here. Now they face again in 2005 in the finals.

In Round 1, Mario and Crono both looked good by getting strong numbers on Joanna and Zidane respectively. In Round 2, both faced Contest vets. Mario SFFed Ness bad, while Crono easily beat Tommy. Round 3 rolled along and Mario crushed Zero, getting 63% on him. Crono stunk it up against Chief and only got 61% on him. In Round 4, Mario beat his toughest opponent thus far, Samus, in a 60-40 match, while Crono beat Vincent with 55%. In the Elite 8, Mario beat Snake with 57%, and Crono will win with around 51%. So who’s looked better so far, and who’s looking to win this baby?

Can I get a M-A-R-I-O? I’m predicting Mario will win this baby. His 63% on Zero, and 60% on Samus were the final nails in this Contest coffin. He had apparently grown tremendously in strength. Crono, on the other hand, isn’t looking too hot. This match against Mega Man is FINALLY turning some heads in his direction. Still, it’s too little, too late. Mario has just about everything going for him tommorrow; let’s just hope Crono can make it epic.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Samus will win…..RIP

Moltar’s Prediction is: Mario: 51% - Crono: 49%

Ulti’s Analysis

The year was 2002, and Mario and Crono were getting ready for what seemed like a flat-out cakewalk for Mario. Mario had just gotten through his miraculous defeat of Cloud, and despite a good run by Crono to get into the Final Four in his own right, no way could he stand up to Mario if Cloud failed. Right?

Wrong. After Mario went up by 1000 votes, Crono completely stalled the match. And much to the shock of everyone, Crono managed to begin the comeback of all comebacks against Mario in that fateful match. Unfortunately, just as Crono took the lead and Crono mania swallowed GameFAQs, CJayC stepped in and removed 400 votes from Crono due to some idiot stuffing 3000 votes for him. Why CJayC only removed 400 votes when he later admitted that there were 3000 cheated votes, no one knows. What we do know is that despite a valiant attempt by Crono to get the lead in the match, there simply wasn't enough time. Crono wound up losing by just over 100 votes, and Ceej was right in the middle of the outcome.

Enter 2003. Ceej blatantly sets up a rematch between the two characters by sticking them in the same fourpack, and Crono had all the momentum entering the match. Crono beat the absolute hell out of his first two opponents, while Mario struggled with Shadow the Hedgehog. Shadow the Hedgehog. The same Shadow who would eventually go on to lose to Tidus in 2004.

As expected, Crono came flying out of the gates. If you can call a slow build to a lead of 850 slow, that is. But Mario would not allow Crono to run away with the match, and used the day vote to come all the way back on him and build a lead of just over 50. But Crono, out for blood after the debacle in 2002, rebounded with the evening vote to build a lead of just under 900. Mario stalled Crono's advance after that, but after the two characters were deadlocked at that same ~850 vote lead for Crono, it looked like Crono had the match locked down. Time was winding down on Mario, and despite his best efforts to do something miraculous, he was down by 850 votes with a mere 2:15 remaining in the match.

But just as everyone on GameFAQs was celebrating Crono's revenge, including Heroic Mario himself admitting defeat at the hands of the mute one, Mario went on perhaps the greatest tear we'll ever see in one of these matches. Mario began a slow comeback attempt that turned into greased lightning within minutes. What began as simple chipping at Crono's lead turned into Mario cutting off well over 100 votes per update. As time wound down on this epic match between the two titans, Mario raced toward the finish line with a blinding fury. Then, in the absolute last update of the match, Mario took the lead from Crono and won the match. Some people will argue that Crono only lost because CJayC extended the match past 1 AM, but these people have bad memories. The fact of the matter is that Mario was winning at 1 AM; and when CJayC checked for cheating and closed the poll at 1:07 AM, Mario had extended his lead to just over 100.

And then CJayC made a topic on Board 8 to announce that the results were official. You can imagine how that went. CJayC set up a third Mario/Crono duel in 2004, but it did not live up to the hype. Crono began the match on fire and never looked back en route to beating Mario by well over 6000 votes.

...but something didn't quite feel right about that match, almost as if Crono's victory was a little to easy. A little to quiet. A little too safe.

From: transience | Posted: 9/18/2005 10:52:44 PM | #116
I love how the entire tournament kind of fell into place with this match today. we finally got a read on the trickier part of the bracket, as well as a nice ranking of Sonic/MM/Crono. all that's left is to see just how strong Mario is.

Snake gave us a very good read, if you ask me. It falls in line with what he did to Zero, to a certain extent. Of course, tomorrow has to be a bloodbath for all the pieced of the puzzle to stay together... something I would've never expected from a Mario/Crono match until now. Behind Clinkeroth, Mario and Samus are in their own world, and that's that.
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And that leads us to tonight, which will write the next chapter in the epic rivalry between these two characters. What some may have forgotten is that not only did Crono beat the hell out of Mario in 2004, but that Chrono Trigger the game beat the hell out of three of Mario's games in Spring 2004. Mario is as on the ropes as he's ever been in a Mario/Crono affair, but he's got help this year. There has been a widespread Nintendo boost in this contest, and Mario is one of the posterboys for the proof. Mario has beaten the hell out of every opponent he has faced this contest, including the strongest Solid Snake we've ever seen and a Samus that was *supposed* to be able to avoid being on the ass end of an SFF beatdown. Mario is out for blood in Mario/Crono 4, and given Crono's lackluster performances in this contest, the stage is set for perhaps the ultimate rubber match of the series.

I'm not going to act like there's any real proof of who can or will win this match. It's Mario versus Crono. Anything can happen. All I'm really doing here is making a pick in conjunction with my bracket and hanging on for what will hopefully be the best final we ever see in one of these contests. And while my bracket (and my Crew pick) say Crono, I have to be honest in saying that Mario looks like he has the edge in the match. And further, this is taking place on a Sunday. Crono may have a better shot if this were a weekend match, but with the fact that the after school vote will go entirely in Mario's direction, Crono is in for hell. Mario and Nintendo are out for the win in this thing, and if Crono wins, it WILL be an upset. I wouldn't call Crono the favorite, despite last year.

But like I said, it's Mario/Crono. Who in the hell knows what we're about to see. Let's hope it's memorable.

Prediction: Crono with 50.00% (Crono by 3 votes)



Inviso’s Analysis

Well…Part IV of this match. Whoopdedoo. Mario has beaten Crono twice, and Crono has beaten Mario once. That’s the basic rundown of the matches in the past. I really don’t feel like analyzing this match that much, because I dislike Mario, and I dislike Crono. Easy way of looking at it is that Mario has been powering through his opponents with two blowouts, two victories in the 60%’s, one of which was over Samus, and then a Solid beating of Snake. Crono meanwhile performed meh on Crono, meh on Tommy, bombed against the Chief, then struggled with a contest newbie before having a close match with Mega Man…a character Mario would likely stomp.

My Bracket: Samus Aran
My Vote: Crono
My Prediction: Mario Mario with 53.65%



Tnote’s Analysis

Mario wins #1... barely. Except when you take into account there were a number of cheat votes CJayC mentioned existed, but were not removed because they did not effect the outcome.

Mario needs an extra 15 minutes to pass Crono for #2. All hell breaks loose.

Crono whips Mario in #3, in an extremely anti-climatic bout.

Mario whips Crono in #4, proving that the SSB:M uber-boost is real, and it is spectacular.

My bracket goes down in flames with the mute swordsman of time.

Pick: Mario with 52.83%

Soul’s Analysis

FINALS BABY!

Mario's Record

Defeated Joanna Dark: 80.90% - 19.10%

Defeated Ness: 82.80% - 17.20%

Defeated Zero: 62.86% - 37.14%

Defeated Samus: 59.79% - 40.21%

Defeated Snake: 57.21% - 42.79%

Crono's Record

Defeated Zidane: 76.72% - 23.28%

Defeated Tommy Vercetti: 70.85% - 29.15%

Defeated Master Chief: 61.29% - 38.71%

Defeated Vincent: 55.38% - 44.62%

Defeated Mega Man: N/A at the moment.

Mario Vs. Crono IV. It wouldn't be a Summer Contest without this tradition. Yes, the only rivalry worth noting (pfft to Snake/Knux) will become the final match of this contest. Was CJayC planning this match all along, or did this just happen randomly? Your guess is as good as mine.

Instead of talking about their historic matches in the past, I'm just going to try and mention some things about this year's matches. Looking at their records so far, it looks as if Mario is a lot stronger this year. He got over 80% in two matches; got over 62% against Zero; got just a bit under 60% on Samus; and wrapped it up with a 57% win over Solid Snake. Crono, on the other hand, looks absolutely horrible compared to Mario. He got over 70% in two matches; got 61% on Master Chief; got 55% against Vincent Valentine; and is currently only getting 51% against Mega Man.

Those are respectable enough, but Mario looks to be a lot stronger right now. Crono only got 61% against M. Chief, while Mario got 62% on Zero. It's extremely obvious that Zero would absolutely decimate Chief in a match. Also, Mario got 57% on Snake, compared to Crono's pitiful 55% against Vincent Valentine. Now, I know that Vincent is somewhat strong, but thinking that he is stronger then Snake is absolutely idiotic.

Anyway you look at it, Crono has disappointed. He never broke 80%, while Mario did it twice. Sure, Mario faced weaker characters (or SFFed one), but it still looks good on paper. Meanwhile, what was supposed to be a massacre against Vercetti, turned out to be a huge underperformance by Crono. But the slip-ups wouldn't stop there. He went on too lay the biggest egg ever against Chief, by barely breaking 61%. If you want to be recognized as a serious threat, you're going to have to do a hell of a lot better against Master Chief. His slip-ups did not end there either. He let Vincent get 44% against him. Would you really put Vincent over Snake, Samus and Zero? Sure, he can probably make Zero sweat a bit, but I don't believe for a moment that Zero would lose.

And yet, there are still people saying Crono can win. "He beat Mario by 6000 votes last year!". You know the perfect answer to that? Just reply with something like "So?". That would be perfectly responded with, in my opinion. So what if Crono beat Mario last year? Guess what, last year was last year. This year is not last year. This year is completely different from last year. Not only are characters boosting out of nowhere, but we get around 20K more voters now. Guess what Crono fans, anyway you look at this, those voters are big Nintendo fans. That's right, those voters seem to absolutely love Nintendo characters. Because of this, other characters are being left in the dust. Crono included.

If that's not proof enough, just look at Crono's allies. Frog lost horribly to Samus. Magus lost to Knuckles. Luigi got 47% on a FF7 character. Donkey Kong almost upsetted Master Chief. Bowser almost upsetted Solid freaking Snake! If that's not proof enough for you that Nintendo characters are rising, then you need to open your eyes.

Basically, Crono has no chance to survive, make his time.

My prediction: Mario wins with 54% of the vote. And so, another great year finished... ToC? Wtf is that?!

Vlado’s Analysis

Mario vs. Crono IV... It was expected by many, and it was supposed to tie things between those two at 2-2... Unfortunately, everything that happened so far in the tournament proved that it won be like that. Mario has been killing all of his opponents, while Crono hasn't been nearly as impressive. A huge win over Mega Man was the only chance Crono would have looked with some chance to defeat the plumber, but, as we saw, it just didn't happen. Crono has remained on roughly the same level since last year, maybe he dropped a little bit, but not much. Mario, however, has benefited the most from the huge Nintendo boost. He owned Zero, he owned Snake, there's simply no stopping him, even if he hasn't faced someone on the level of Rockman like Crono has.

I'm usually an optimist and I want to predict a Crono win, but it's just obvious that it can't happen. After two shady Mario victories over him in 2002 and 2003, the first of which denied The Silent Hero the chance to appear in the Tournament Final, something he really deserved, Crono got sweet revenge in 2004, defeating his opponent by over 6,000 votes... However, this is not nearly the same Mario. This year, he's tons stronger. I wouldn't be surprised if Crono loses by even more than he beat Mario by last year. Horrible truth. I don't know what the hell happened since 2004, but the result is visible - we'll have a boring final that will simply not be close. The only consolation is that Mario seems to not have a real chance against Sephiroth.

2005 was supposed to be Crono's year...

Predicted percentage: Mario with 52.87%.

Too much Mario support. Ulti will be getting a point.
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makeyourchance: Yes I do! It's Samsonite.

No, because he picked Crono.
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For this great contest to end in a stunning upset (which wouldn't be quite as stunning as people are saying, IMO) would be spectacular.
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The spiky headed one will make this thing 2 - 2.

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Oh, it would be stunning alright. The supposed contender who's been completely sucking all the way to the finals vs. the pretended non-factor who beat down every opponent in his path, including destroying the big favorite...
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Crono will surprise people tomorrow. Wait and see. Neither one will break 51% when it's all said and done.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

Snake gave us a very good read, if you ask me. It falls in line with what he did to Zero, to a certain extent. Of course, tomorrow has to be a bloodbath for all the pieced of the puzzle to stay together... something I would've never expected from a Mario/Crono match until now. Behind Clinkeroth, Mario and Samus are in their own world, and that's that.

after Snake/Zelda, it looked to me like Snake was at his 2k3 value, maybe a point higher. on the other hand, Sonic seemed to have jumped, who knew on MM, and Crono looked to have fallen some, though how much no one was sure. getting a read on this half was a lot tricker than Snake's half, especially since one division is behind some nasty SFF.

now, time to read some serious analyses.
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I wonder if we might just want to throw transitivity or whatnot out the window just because it's Mario vs. Crono. Maybe it has some impact.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

Crono will surprise people tomorrow. Wait and see. Neither one will break 51% when it's all said and done.

I can agree with that. Not the other stuff though.
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Crono vs. Mega Man - Bracket: Crono - Vote: Crono (108/144)

Why wouldn't Crono surprise people if he holds Mario under 51%? Most people seem to think Mario's gonna take it in a walk.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

If you think he can break 49%, you have to give him a great shot to win. At that level of closeness point luck becomes a big factor, especially before-the-fact.
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I was thinking that, Leon. no matter what stats say, I can't shake the feeling that Mario/Crono will be close. if Crono keeps it close, it's possible his half is overrated a couple points, but that's fine by me.
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Crono will win
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/18/2005 11:16:43 PM | #132
I wonder if we might just want to throw transitivity or whatnot out the window just because it's Mario vs. Crono. Maybe it has some impact.

It might be. Mario vs. Crono has expanded beyond being just another match between two strong characters. It is THE feud of the contest scene. Now, to see if it affects the results is another animal altogether. I think Crono coming close could be chalked up to that... although Mario completely failed to answer to Crono's boost last year, and thus got owned...
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Oh, you consider Crono breaking 49% surprising? I thought you meant winning.

That wouldn't be too surprising to me.
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RIP Samus: Mario, you better take down Seph.
Mario vs. Crono - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Mario (124/160)

I'm talking in terms of people on this board who seem to think Mario will win easily. I expect Crono to be in contention.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

I'll wait and see how many had Crono making the finals. That way, we'll see the bracket voters.
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DEFENCE, DEFENCE
"Alas, history is nothing but a lie agreed upon" - Napoleon Bonaparte.

Crono will definitely be giving Mario one hell of a fight. There's no way he's going to take it with ease like some people are saying.

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“I think my burden has lightened… Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife

Question: Has Crono ever entered Mario vs. Crono as the board favorite? I'm thinking he might have last year, but I'm not sure.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

Crono will certainly be in contention, but it's still hard for me to seriously believe he could win, too. Yes, I acknowledge he can win and will most likely keep it close, but, even after last year, it's still tough for me to think he'll beat Mario this year.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Last year, he had two board brackets to one.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless

I don't care what the hell you say, Crono's opponents > Mario's opponents this year. And that is the only reason people have been underestimating him.
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WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa
"Masa, everytime I talk to you, my urge for hot pockets rises. Damn you" - Linky.

He did for sure last year...
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DEFENCE, DEFENCE
"Alas, history is nothing but a lie agreed upon" - Napoleon Bonaparte.

no matter what stats say, I can't shake the feeling that Mario/Crono will be close.

As I said in my post:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/detail.php?board=8&topic=23610935&message=258243884

The stats so far can be spun, without too much effort even.

And the most obvious and simple comparison is that Mario did almost exactly the same vs. Snake that Mega Man did last year. And Crono is beating Mega Man.

Now, clearly Mario does deserve to be the favorite.

But the main reason to look at Mario's win over Snake as more impressive than Mega Man's is that we think Snake jumped...but why do we think this? Because of earlier performances. So it all comes back on itself. Again, this kind of thinking does make sense; but it's not fully prescient.

If you want to believe Crono can win this, like I do, there is non-insane stuff you can point to.
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www.SC2K5.com
www.sc2k5.com/gallery

Bold prediction: Mario with 55%. I told you that was bold.
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What online fan couldn't get behind Trevor Murdoch? I mean, finally, a wrestler with our physique! -Sean Carless

Some people will argue that Crono only lost because CJayC extended the match past 1 AM, but these people have bad memories. The fact of the matter is that Mario was winning at 1 AM; and when CJayC checked for cheating and closed the poll at 1:07 AM

You seem to forget the poll also started early that day... at 12:40
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lol xstats