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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 257
From: transience | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:01:06 PM | Message Detail
I think one side should say 50.05 and the other side 49.95, myself. that's an ideal picture for me.

speaking of which, I haven't seen today's assortment of pictures... time to hit reload a bunch of times.
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From: transience | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:03:57 PM | Message Detail
man, no RPGuy picture? screw that.
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From: sidharta | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:06:23 PM | Message Detail
I think one side should say 50.05 and the other side 49.95, myself. that's an ideal picture for me.

I'm actually hoping for Crono to comeback on Mario's ass Frog/MC style.

Just to see all the whinings on the board by Mario fans, throwing tantrums and accusations all over the place.

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From: transience | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:07:53 PM | Message Detail
I was thinking about this yesterday. if Crono somehow beats Mario, there's going to be cheating accusations, whining and flame wars. how I wish this to happen.
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From: Draco1214 | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:08:37 PM | Message Detail
Crono will do to Mario what Mario did to him in 2k3.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:09:20 PM | Message Detail
By the way Mac Arrowny, I'm doing the write-up you've been waiting on in my top games topic!
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:09:32 PM | Message Detail
But you're conveniently forgetting that Crono is beating Mega Man right now. The same Mega Man that took care of Snake for the past two years!!! And the year that Mega Man didn't beat Snake, Crono himself took care of him!!!

Yes, and? It's been established that things aren't the same year after year. If you disagree, then I'll just throw this at you:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=955
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2124
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2119

lol Snake over Crono with 60%
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From: ernest | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:09:42 PM | Message Detail
crono vs mario oh man the analysis will be long since there gonna chart the entire history of the previous matches
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:10:55 PM | Message Detail
Mario will do to Crono what Crono did to Mario in 2k4.
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:10:57 PM | Message Detail
By the way Mac Arrowny, I'm doing the write-up you've been waiting on in my top games topic!

Ooo, can't wait! I hope you'll have it done by the end of the match.
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From: XIII_rocks | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:12:28 PM | Message Detail
We'll see tomorrow, won't we? Either way it looks to be good; the Nintendo boost has certainly proven effective, but Crono was a full 10% stronger than Mario last year...I don't think Crono's dropped any more than a percent or two, meaning mario has 3.001% to increase by...I think he's got that, but not by much. So I'm thinking 52-48 Mario at the closest. Then again, my current baracket score is 104, I had Kerrigan over Dante, Magus winning his division, and Samus beating Megaman, and then Sephiroth in the tournament of Champions. So feel free to completely ignore me.
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From: ernest | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:14:02 PM | Message Detail
crono/megaman,mario/crono,link/cloud the succesion of good matches. this contest>all others
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Nominate Ifnkovhgroghprm and Jay Solano for Sc2k6
From: sidharta | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:15:44 PM | Message Detail
Crono will do to Mario what Mario did to him in 2k3.

ANYTHING but THAT!!!

There was massive vote-stuffing for Mario near the end of that match, I do NOT want either char win through vote-stuffing.

All I want is for this match to be epic, and legitimate.

If Crono somehow manages to win then all the better.

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From: Dranze | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:16:10 PM | Message Detail
Man, Mario has got to beat Crono in a final for revenge. It's the sweetest thing ever.
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From: Dranze | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:17:38 PM | Message Detail
Oh, and what sucks even more that it's on a weekday. y helo thar school.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:18:23 PM | Message Detail
Why are people talking like this match will be close? That puts Sonic WAY too close to Mario...
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From: sidharta | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:18:26 PM | Message Detail
Sephiroth in the tournament of Champions.

Over Cloud/Link!?!?

* Ignores you *

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j/k

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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:19:15 PM | Message Detail
It also puts Squall over Snake, but nobody seems to care about that.
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From: ernest | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:20:31 PM | Message Detail
well the after school vote will be in full swing. and tomorrow i finish school at 16pm instead of 17pm weeeeee i get to watch one more hour of them match. seriously the tenth grade equivalent of the french system sucks. well actually i don't know if i'm in 10/11 year equivalent
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Nominate Ifnkovhgroghprm and Jay Solano for Sc2k6
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:20:31 PM | Message Detail
Or rather, it puts him WAY too close to Samus. I'm not ready to buy that much rSFF yet...
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From: sidharta | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:22:30 PM | Message Detail
Why are people talking like this match will be close? That puts Sonic WAY too close to Mario...

Sonic has ALWAYS been close to Mario...

The only time he'll come dangerously close to Mario is if Crono somehow manages to beat Mario.

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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:23:58 PM | Message Detail
Why do I keep seeing adjusted stats with Samus over Mario? Sure, she was SFF'd, but there's little indication that she's actually stronger than Mario now.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:24:47 PM | Message Detail
But Sonic was beaten by Samus 60/40, who Mario trashed. Now, how much rSFF do you want to say was in that match, if at all?
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From: ernest | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:28:04 PM | Message Detail
well whoever wins the leaderboard gets decimated tomorrow. it's just a question of how many people backed whom. and the samus backers are still looking humiliated
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Nominate Ifnkovhgroghprm and Jay Solano for Sc2k6
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:28:50 PM | Message Detail
Also, looking back on Mario/Samus and Samus/Ganondorf, I'm starting to wonder if Ganon is even stronger than Bowser at this point. I don't think there's enough SFF to make it happen.
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:29:45 PM | Message Detail
None, I say she fell by merit of no longer being in the spotlight. Not much, but enough to be less than she was last year.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.
From: sidharta | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:32:16 PM | Message Detail
But Sonic was beaten by Samus 60/40, who Mario trashed. Now, how much rSFF do you want to say was in that match, if at all?

Samus wasn't as strong as she was last year.

Look at her match against Frog, and compare that to Seph's match against Liquid (who is roughly Frog's equal).

Seph did more than 5% better than Samus did!

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:32:24 PM | Message Detail
Also, looking back on Mario/Samus and Samus/Ganondorf, I'm starting to wonder if Ganon is even stronger than Bowser at this point. I don't think there's enough SFF to make it happen.

Which I've brought up before. You can make compelling arguments for both of them in a variety of ways, really...I'd still barely take Ganon though.


Drivin' back to college now.
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From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:33:17 PM | Message Detail
I would take Bowser over Ganon and not look back. Ganon is just so uninspiring...

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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:35:48 PM | Message Detail
Me thinks Ganon and Bowser have one of those Mario-Samus relationships. (Indirectly stronger, but the weaker would win in a direct match due to SFF)
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Crono vs. Mega Man - Bracket: Crono - Vote: Crono (108/144)
From: sidharta | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:36:03 PM | Message Detail
I would take Bowser over Ganon and not look back. Ganon is just so uninspiring...

So is Bowser if you look at it in that sense...

Be aware that Link >> Mario, and that the LoZ franchise has always been stronger than the Mario franchise.

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From: Dranze | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:44:15 PM | Message Detail
After seeing Ganondorf Vs Samus, I can't see Bowser over Ganondorf too easily. Zelda is hard to apparently SFF
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:45:12 PM | Message Detail
It also puts Squall over Snake, but nobody seems to care about that.

Ah, the wonders of Advent Children at work, perhaps?
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:46:08 PM | Message Detail
Samus wasn't as strong as she was last year.

Look at her match against Frog, and compare that to Seph's match against Liquid (who is roughly Frog's equal).

Seph did more than 5% better than Samus did!


lol, next thing you're going to be saying that MGS2 is legitimately stronger than MGS. Come on now.
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From: kungfu chicken | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:47:06 PM | Message Detail
question:throwing all stats out the window and just going by your gut, who would do better against seph, mario or crono?
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From: Draco1214 | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:47:54 PM | Message Detail
Mario, since Crono will likely get SFF'd by Sephiroth.
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makeyourchance: Yes I do! It's Samsonite.
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:48:19 PM | Message Detail
After seeing Ganondorf Vs Samus, I can't see Bowser over Ganondorf too easily. Zelda is hard to apparently SFF

That would lend even more credence to Bowser > Ganon. Even if you set Samus equal to Mario (and I don't believe that for a second), Ganondorf was beaten down more brutally than Snake was, and Bowser was nipping on Snake's heels. Statistically, it's hard to argue Ganondorf being above him this year, let alone logically.

That being said, we *need* to see that match next year.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:48:24 PM | Message Detail
I seriously doubt Sephiroth would SFF Crono, personally.
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From: Draco1214 | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:49:10 PM | Message Detail
I really can't wait for the ToC, where Link/Cloud proceeds to make the entire contest look like fodder.
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makeyourchance: Yes I do! It's Samsonite.
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:49:49 PM | Message Detail
There have been some ridiculous statements made while I've been in the shower that I hope aren't sincere. The first being the thought that Samus is actually stronger than Mario indirectly, the second being that MGS2 wasn't (past tense stressed, as I'd believe that is likely to change) legitimately higher than MGS.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:51:11 PM | Message Detail
the second being that MGS2 wasn't (past tense stressed, as I'd believe that is likely to change) legitimately higher than MGS.

I've had my doubts. Not that it isn't possible for it to be so, but FFVII overperforming on MGS wouldn't surprise me in the least.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:51:53 PM | Message Detail
I don't believe for a second MGS2 could ever beat the original MGS in a direct poll, but that's just me. I take the results of the game contest with a HUGE grain of salt, so many things went screwy there...
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/18/2005 1:59:54 PM | Message Detail
I wouldn't call it legit anymore, but there's reasons why it wouldn't be now but could have been then.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.
From: transience | Posted: 9/18/2005 2:06:18 PM | Message Detail
I believe Mario is stronger than Samus legitimately. that's why I don't like just throwing her 2k4 number in there - 42% or whatever it is seems awfully high.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/18/2005 2:06:32 PM | Message Detail
Nearly a 56% update for Crono there. Ouch.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/18/2005 2:11:46 PM | Message Detail
And Crono responds with another one.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/18/2005 2:12:46 PM | Message Detail
Samus was solid throughout the entire contest, it's just that she never had any legitimate opponent to measure her strength from before she got to Mario. When the best thing you have is either a potential SFF or Frog, you know you're ****ed. And it's not like Mario hadn't shown the potential against Zero to beat her, especially since Mega Man went out and proved Link SFF'd him (sorry for doubting ya, MM). In fact, the only thing that DOESN'T suggest Mario being an absolute monster this year is his match with Snake through SpC2k5...surprise, surprise...
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From: Zethis and SeRa | Posted: 9/18/2005 2:13:28 PM | Message Detail
O_O at the current stats.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/18/2005 2:13:30 PM | Message Detail
*SpC2k5 Bowser, that should say.
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From: bigkevinm84 | Posted: 9/18/2005 2:14:24 PM | Message Detail
Damn.. Crono is running away with this thing.. Oh well, Mega Man fought hard for his 3rd Final Four appearance, and at least we get to see Mario vs. Crono IV... Man, nothing can stop that fated match from happening. Not even Cloud in 2k2 or Samus this year. Heh heh.

Hopefully Mega can keep Crono's lead under 2000 but a while, but, I doubt it :(
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