What?

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You know, Tommy Vercetti. The guy who got beaten as badly as the stats predicted based on Spring Kefka, for what it's worth.
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"Stay there for me, trapped in memories."
"I...I won't become a memory."

Spring Kefka is overrated due to Diablo being overrated.

Vercetti has fallen since his last appearence, despite being weak, CJ did take away some of his strength.

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You know, the harder thing would be to explain Kefka. Vercetti is easy -- San Andreas came out.

While I'm on the topic, pretty much every RPG character save perhaps Vincent and Tifa have looked pretty bad this tournament. Crono shouldn't be any different.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Can Snake get 43% by the end of the match?
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Spring Kefka is overrated due to Diablo being overrated.

Well, after seeing Sonic, I'm not entirely sure about that now.
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"Stay there for me, trapped in memories."
"I...I won't become a memory."

Okay. Explain Ryu then, HM. I like how you ignored him.

I like you assume I bother to read every single post in this topic. I have, many times, gone back and responded to a post that came before another I might have responded to.

And I can't very well explain Ryu, or many other characters for that matter, when it comes to their increasing and decreasing. I just find it hard to believe that Crono of all people is suddenly going to take such a fall to put him a loss to basically every Noble Nine character after being up there with Samus the previous year.

Huh. Here I thought that Vyse was the most consistent contestant ever and the reason that Tifa would beat Sonic, or, failing that, the reason that Sonic was on the level of Samus

Vyse had nothing to do with Sonic being on level with Samus. All you needed to do was look at Diablo to get that.

We've seen Magus and Frog do terribly, and it's been speculated that Crono would too after the first round.

Magus and Frog had reasons to do terribly, too. Both were overrated and Frog dropping even more wouldn't be that big a surprise, if you put anything into that whole "rally deal," which I find to be rather nice explanation to a few choice characters. Magus was overrated, as opposed to simply dropping outright. And Frog shouldn't reflect Crono in the slightest.

Unless DK is suddenly at 31% on BL, which we all know isn't the case, Crono has fallen.

I never said Crono remained the same. I even said that I expected him to fall a little just not the ~4% that he would be expected to based on Vincent being a smidge above Squall. Going by that, Mega Man shouldn't have any problem winning tomorrow's match, which I find very unlikely to happen.

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Yeah, that CJ is so strong right? Definitely stronger than Vercetti.
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I knwo Sonic has gotten stronger, but I just can't see Jin Kazama giving Spring Diablo a decent fight.

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Well, that's got nothing to do with Spring Diablo. If he was overrated, then "Spring Diablo" is an aberration.

And it wouldn't exactly be a fight.
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"Stay there for me, trapped in memories."
"I...I won't become a memory."

While I'm on the topic, pretty much every RPG character save perhaps Vincent and Tifa have looked pretty bad this tournament. Crono shouldn't be any different.

Rikku and Yuna both didn't strike me as "looking bad" and Squall didn't look bad either. To go along with these characters, I'm not expecting Crono to "look bad" by his performance tomorrow. Although I do expect him to have dropped some.

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“I think my burden has lightened... Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife

I like you assume I bother to read every single post in this topic

Well considering it was but two posts above the one you replied to, and it's pretty much impossible not to see them in the same screen at the point when you replied... eh, whatever. Forget it.

In any case, I think Ryu's a damn good example. He too, was a very strong character that took a spill for no reason.
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Well considering it was but two posts above the one you replied to, and it's pretty much impossible not to see them in the same screen at the point when you replied... eh, whatever. Forget it.

I usually scroll the very bottom of the page and work my way up--it's just become a habit. I just read RPGuy's post before yours.

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“I think my burden has lightened... Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife

Where does this put Mario based on a 2003 Snake?
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Based on Snake 2003, Mario is at 42.15%.
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"Stay there for me, trapped in memories."
"I...I won't become a memory."

And for the record, I don't think GTA: San Andreas hurt Vercetti.
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I usually scroll the very bottom of the page and work my way up--it's just become a habit. I just read RPGuy's post before yours.

Can't you just change it in the options? Last post shows up first? And then you don't have to mess around. :)
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It's puts him right around Samus's 2004 value.

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“I think my burden has lightened... Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife

So if Sephiroth did fall, there's still an outside chance Mario will win?

At least he's getting 47%+. REVENGE!
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So if Sephiroth did fall, there's still an outside chance Mario will win?

Yes, but there's little reason to assume Sephiroth fell from 2004.

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“I think my burden has lightened... Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife

Except for that whole villain contest thing.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Either way, I'm hoping for a Crono win tomorrow, even if it's by the skin of his teeth.

I do NOT want to see Mario vs. Samus part II, especially after having seen what Mario did to Zero.

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Yeah, I can hope that Spring projects his doom.
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Except for that whole villain contest thing.

Yes, of course. I had completely forgotten that Samus did better. There's no other explanation at all. Yeah.

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“I think my burden has lightened... Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife

I hope Mega Man wins tomorrow, solely because I spent a decent amount of time on this:
http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/4284/rpguymariomegaman5yi.png

I don't know who I'm voting for, though.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Mario -> Snake -> Bowser gets around 48% on Seph -> Bowser.

Mario does have a chance, but I certainly don't think he can upset Seph.

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Heh. That's a pretty damn good picture.

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“I think my burden has lightened... Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife

Yes, of course. I had completely forgotten that Samus did better. There's no other explanation at all. Yeah.

Yeah, Ganondorf, Ocelot, and Diablo all doing worse than we expected certainly wouldn't constitute a trend or anything.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Throw Kefka in there, while I'm at it.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

If MM wins tomorrow, Your picture will DEF be chosen.
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Best. Match Picture. Ever.
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Yeah, but let's conveniently forget Bowser. You have to use both sides of the story.

Speaking of pictures, I REALLY hope Ceej uses this one tomorrow:

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8513/paratroopa1megamanvscronoe6tq.png

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"Stay there for me, trapped in memories."
"I...I won't become a memory."

Yeah, Ganondorf, Ocelot, and Diablo all doing worse than we expected certainly wouldn't constitute a trend or anything.

What about CATS and Bowser?
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I'm hoping for a Mario/Crono final so we can see this pic:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/snailien/MariovsCrono.jpg

*Credit to snailien.
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Yeah, Ganondorf, Ocelot, and Diablo all doing worse than we expected certainly wouldn't constitute a trend or anything.

Ganon did worse than what? His spring value? Despite how there could have certainly been a possibility that she gathered something like SFF against him? If he's equal to 2003, then what about Bowser? He did worse on Sephiroth, but now he'd clearly be above him.

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“I think my burden has lightened... Maybe I dragged it along so much that it wore down.” – Cloud Strife

Holy crap, that Mario/Mega Man picture is great. Well done.
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Ganondorf didn't do worse than expected, he simply got SFF'ed by Samus, who proceeded to get SFF'ed by Mario.

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That's still doing worse than expected, we just have a reason for him doing worse.

:P
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Another close call for Snake.
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"Stay there for me, trapped in memories."
"I...I won't become a memory."

So many questions to ask and no one can really 100% prove whether their's is right or wrong.

Mario can fall anywhere from his 2k4 numbers to around Sephiroth's 2k4 numbers.
Crono/Mega Man could go up to 54/46 for either character.
Mario can easily take the finals or have a great match against Crono/Mega Man, plus there's also the possibilty of Mario SFF Mega Man.
Link vs. Cloud this time there's no anti-votes that characters gain as rounds pass.
Mario takes on Sephiroth again (Mega Man and Crono may be here too). What I can say is that it will be closer than the last time the met.
The winner of Link/Cloud will probably also take the next match.
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Mario can fall anywhere from his 2k4 numbers to around Sephiroth's 2k4 numbers.

He's definitely closer to Seph's 2k4 value than to his own 2k4 value.

Crono/Mega Man could go up to 54/46 for either character.

True.

Mario can easily take the finals or have a great match against Crono/Mega Man, plus there's also the possibilty of Mario SFF Mega Man.

Crono might give Mario a match, MM definitely will NOT, just look at Mario vs. Zero for clues.

Link vs. Cloud this time there's no anti-votes that characters gain as rounds pass.

I don't think that will change things significantly.

Mario takes on Sephiroth again (Mega Man and Crono may be here too). What I can say is that it will be closer than the last time the met.

Mario will get much closer to Seph than he has ever been before.

Crono has an extremely small chance of making it there, MM has NO chance whatsoever.

The winner of Link/Cloud will probably also take the next match.

The winner of Cloud/Link will DEFINITELY win the whole damn thing.

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Just wondering, assuming Snake ends at 43% (his 'ceiling', IMO), how well will Mario have to do later on to convince most people that something went screwy in Snake/Bowser?
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Beat Sephiroth.
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Just wondering, assuming Snake ends at 43% (his 'ceiling', IMO), how well will Mario have to do later on to convince most people that something went screwy in Snake/Bowser?

Around 57% on Crono, but anything on MM won't convince anyone, at least not me.

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Hm, you may not read every post, but you selectively quoted parts of mine, but left out this:

Then throw in the very distinct possibility of old/new sff, several people have pointed out that new square has been doing better than old square, and you have more reasons for Crono to underperform. Then you have Vincent's strength alone. He beat Squall and Dante - not weak opponents. He should have done significantly better on Crono than MC and he did.

Those are the reasons Vincent "overperformed" not the AC movie, which didn't even come out here.

And I never said Master Chief plummeted - I love mc as a contestant, but you simply can't ignore his awful performance against Donkey Kong, boosted or otherwise.

All I'm saying is that Vincent didn't overperform, he performed very much in the margin of error. Crono doesn't have to drop extravagantly, and even if he did, it's not like there weren't signs of it. And even a crono trigger drop isn't unplausible; just look at frog and magus.

How high did you think Vincent would get on Crono? Should he have been near the 61% Master Chief? It just sounds like we're underestimating Vincent here; something quite surprising considering the previous Vincent arguments we've had in the past.
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/snailien/MariovsCrono.jpg

XD
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I dont think Snake is going to reach 43% Karma ;_;
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Are you sure, Snake does very good at the last few hours of the poll.
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Im trying to jynx it! Shhhh! <_<
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RIP-Cliff Burton "We are just the toys of the hands of another."

I dont think Snake is going to reach 43% Karma ;_;

43% is very realistic for him. Mario's percentage has been dropping steadily, and Snake is going to do better and better as the night takes over.
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