Does it really matter? I mean we're more or less the only people that use the x-stats, and we all know that Samus is stronger than how she'll look if she goes unadjusted, and if you did use her number from a previous year and she was higher than Mario, we would all still know in a direct match-up Mario > Samus.

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Cheer up Emo kids.

Snake breaks 45%!
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Is that why you didn't trust Samus > Mario in 2k4, even before SFF?

I didn't even look at the stats for Samus/Mario, and on that note, I'm still not quite over the hilarity of Samus supporters bringing up stats when we Mario supporters mentioned the "IT'S FREAKING MARIO" theory. Not so stupid now, is it?

From day one, I never believed that Samus would ever come close to Mario. Ever. Samus, a third rate Nintendo character from a niche series, was at the very least not going to SFF Mario. And right about there is where people brought up their wonderful stats, and I just laughed. Oh, how I laughed.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, WC3: Frozen Throne, Advance Wars

so how much of an effect will AC have i mean there are definately more FF7 fans coming round here recently.

and i wonder how strong snake will be after his next three games come out. man that new subsistence trailer kicked ass with sokolov being a playable character on online
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What a 42 carat plonker you really are~del boy only fools and horses

Just under 55%.

Mario will kill Snake. KILL HIM, TEAR HIM, RIP HIM TO SHREDS.

DIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIE!
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Mario is Winnar
Next victim: Mistress Snake

Samus vs Snake would be a good match....
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Good, Snake under 55%.

For reference, this is nearly where he was against Mega Man in 2k4 at this time...though obviously he and Mario don't share identical voting trends.
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For the first time ever, Solid Snake has made the Final Four! Believe it.

magus/knuckles was truly the most hilarious match of the contest heh?
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What a 42 carat plonker you really are~del boy only fools and horses

I'd bet my life that Snake overperforms on Samus.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where _______ kicked my ass.

"I mean we're more or less the only people that use the x-stats"

I doubt that.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.

I use the X-Stats, and I'm more or less only a tourist. And I know casuals who use them as well, if only because I've pointed them toward them. Needless to say, I've had a few harsh words on the outcome of certain matches...
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For the first time ever, Solid Snake has made the Final Four! Believe it.

Overperform so much as to win?
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WTF Mario only +3..
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Mario by only 3 that update!!!

<3 <3 <3
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For the first time ever, Solid Snake has made the Final Four! Believe it.

From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 9/17/2005 3:30:02 AM | Message Detail | #147
I....agree with Ulti =/.

I haven't bothered arguing with you since that whole Purg incident, so it really shouldn't come as a shock. I only bother attacking horrifically stupid posts, which you.... sort of don't make outside of the horrid grammar and emotes.

Besides, you had to evacuate from that *****, Katrina. I don't give a crap if you've trolled the topic in the past, because having fun on the internet at someone else's expense isn't really comparable to having your life threatened by the worst disaster ever to hit the US. Does trolling annoy people (which you don't really do anymore)? Sure. Does that mean we should wish the worst upon you in real life? Of course not. I'm glad to see you made it back safely, because I can't imagine being one of those people not having food or water for a week.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, WC3: Frozen Throne, Advance Wars

Snake would be posing merely this much of a challenge to Samus, maybe a bit more. If he can finish strong, though (or technically, do well enough in the night so that he'll finish higher than he should), then I'm putting a ****ing asterisk on the Dream Division, and NO ONE WILL STOP ME (laughs maniacally).
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For the first time ever, Solid Snake has made the Final Four! Believe it.

I'm speechless.
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Apparently not, because you POSTED lol

Anyway, I want to see Snake win an update before I go to bed.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, WC3: Frozen Throne, Advance Wars

Oh Ulti, you could eat your stomach for a week straight and you know it.

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Cheer up Emo kids.

is it possible the TGS news about the new MG games are causing snake to boost?
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What a 42 carat plonker you really are~del boy only fools and horses

Given that I've lost a lot of weight, no I really couldn't.

And given that last update, screw hoping for Snake to win one. G'night.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, WC3: Frozen Throne, Advance Wars

You couldn't really say that Karma Master..

You can't just assume all the votes Mario gets are the votes Samus gets.

Seriously, who is to say Bowser wouldn't put up a similiar performance as Samus that Mario did.

Bowser is a strong fella. I can Bowser nabbing 53-57 against Samus and SFFing her similiar to what Mario did.

ITS FREAKING BOWSER factor. ^_^
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From: ernest | Posted: 9/17/2005 3:41:05 AM | Message Detail | #170
is it possible the TGS news about the new MG games are causing snake to boost?

Probably.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, WC3: Frozen Throne, Advance Wars

No, but that's because I don't believe in hype having any affect on a match.

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Cheer up Emo kids.

MGS4 news causing Snake to boost? That's such an insignificant factor that I never even considered it happening. I'll attribute anything that doesn't line up to the pic, and leave it at that.
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For the first time ever, Solid Snake has made the Final Four! Believe it.

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You'd figure with that MGS4 trailer out that Snake would get a big voting push against Mario.

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"LIAR!!!...I already know Metal Gear is nothing but a nuclear equipped, walking death mobile!"

Old Man Snake > *
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i ain't talking about just MGS4 but also MGA2 and subsistence. i mean it could make snake get a couple of votes here and there and when you add it all up it does a nice amount no?
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What a 42 carat plonker you really are~del boy only fools and horses

Doubt it. If someone liked Mario more than Snake before, a trailor isn't going to change anything. If you want to believe that you may as well say there was blue SFF yesterday and mean it.

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Cheer up Emo kids.

Mario > --|45%line|-- < Snake

Hold Your Ground Snake =/.
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oh and has ulti started his post contest analysis yet? he usually starts it round now
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What a 42 carat plonker you really are~del boy only fools and horses

My boredom led me to create a new bracket... with all square characters.

All-Square Bracket:

Nibelheim Division

1) Cloud Strife
16) Mint

8) Zidane Tribal
9) Terra Branford

5) Celes Chere
12) Selphie Tilmitt

4) Yuffie Kisaragi
13) Robo

6) Rikku
11) Fei Fong Wong

3) Vivi Orunitia
14) Harle

7) Rufus Shinra
10) Lucca Ashtear

2) Kefka
15) Garland

Zanarkand Division

1) Auron
16) Quina Quen

8) Aya Brea
9) Ultros

5) Locke Cole
12) Laguna Loire

4) Serge
13) Barret Wallace

6) Seymour Guado
11) Seifer Almasy

3) Lavos
14) Jecht

7) Lynx
10) Citan Uzuki

2) Vincent Valentine
15) Gato

Balamb Division

1) Squall Leonhart
16) Gilgamesh

8) Cecil Harvey
9) Kuja

5) Aeris Gainsborough
12) Wiegraf Folles

4) Tifa Lockheart
13) Mallow

6) Marle
11) Reno

3) Tidus
14) Lenneth

7) Mog
10) Cait Sith

2) Crono
15) Ashley Riot

J-E-N-O-V-A Division

1) Sephiroth
16) Sion Barzahd

8) Ultros
9) Kain Highwind

5) Red XIII
12) Ramza Beoluve

4) Frog
13) Galuf

6) Cid Highwind
11) Grahf

3) Yuna
14) Quistis Trepe

7) Black Mage
10) Shadow

2) Magus
15) Dalton
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (0) Voters

1)Cloud
3)Vivi

1) Auron
2)Vincent

5)Aeris
2)Crono

1)Sephiroth
2)Magus

1)Cloud
2)Vincent

2)Crono
1)Sephiroth

1)Cloud
1)Sephiroth

1)Cloud

Elite 8->Finals

blah, looks like the match ended up being anticlimactic. oh well, at least MM won. as predicted, the top tiers had MM and the lower guys had, well, other people; I predicted 30% for MM, so not bad. definitely more people had MM than Sonic.

now we get a snoozefest until Crono/MM, which should be another great match.
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here's the entire bracket's x-stats, simply because I feel stupid pasting MM/Sonic's division:

Mario: 50.00
Samus: 40.21
Zero: 37.14
Ganon: 32.44
Auron 29.80
Ryu Hayabusa: 27.48
Yuna: 25.17
Frog: 24.09
Riku: 23.28
Lloyd: 19.87
Joanna: 19.10
wesker: 18.01
Ness: 17.20
Big Boss: 16.99
Carl Johnson: 15.43
Yuri: 10.20

Solid Snake: 50.00
Bowser: 49.41
Kirby: 47.32
Zelda: 45.59
Ryu: 40.53
Tidus: 40.07
Vivi: 36.87
Rikku: 35.90
Sora: 34.74
Chun Li: 33.70
Alucard: 31.02
Kratos: 27.60
Cecil: 2346
Agent 47: 20.34
King: 22.00
Manny: 15.91

Crono: 50.00
Vincent: 44.62
Squall: 44.09
Dante: 41.05
Knuckles: 40.74
Magus: 40.03
Master Chief: 38.71
DK: 38.10
Tommy: 29.15
Kefka: 28.49
Sam Fisher: 26.85
CATS: 24.13
Terra: 23.40
Zidane: 23.28
Geno: 22.19
Kerrigan: 18.74

Mega Man: 50.00
Sonic: 49.63
Tifa: 43.28
Luigi: 40.37
Leon: 35.44
Yoshi: 31.92
Diablo: 31.22
Gordon Freeman: 29.37
KOS-MOS: 27.46
Kratos Aurion: 27.00
Conker: 23.98
Jin: 23.67
Vyse: 18.98
Pac-Man: 17.35
Ocelot: 16.91
Laharl: 16.81


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Agent 47: 20.34
King: 22.00

We dislike being unfairly ranked below Neo-Tanner.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (0) Voters

whoa, I have mad typos in there. go me.

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and besides..

Yuri: 10.20

bite me.
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From: Explicit Content | Posted: 9/17/2005 12:46:22 AM | #180
Doubt it. If someone liked Mario more than Snake before, a trailor isn't going to change anything. If you want to believe that you may as well say there was blue SFF yesterday and mean it.

There's probably a lot of MGS fans who don't visit GameFAQs every day, but might have come today to read up on news about the news from TGS. The actual effect it has on the match will probably be insignificant, though.
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Penguins > All
Second only to Kaxon in the Sp2k5 First Vote Contest

This is sickening, Sonic could have taken this contest.

I don't buy a Snake increase and now I don't buy a Mario one.

Presuming that Snake is slightly stronger then Shadow, this match would not have been out of place in 2003.

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^ Smurf, The Cream of Sonic Fanboyism.

sure, if Mario, Crono or Mega Man weren't there, he could have taken the contest.
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Mario has proved here that he has been coasting through this contest.

All he did was SFF two characters and expose a character who's been expected to be overrated for a long time.

He's a regular Magus...

And Crono? Don't get me started on Crono. 61% aganist a mid-carder? Struggling aganist Squalls equal?

XD. Is he even noble any more?


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^ Smurf, The Cream of Sonic Fanboyism.

Don't downplay how strong Mario has become. I'm ecstatic that Snake is scoring 45% on him, even if it is his best time right now. Nintendo has been an absolute FORCE this contest, and none greater than Mr. Nintendo himself.
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For the first time ever, Solid Snake has made the Final Four! Believe it.

All of the NN have had 'down years', excluding Clinkeroth. This year just doesn't look to be Crono's. There's probably a non-NN at any given time that can take down the weakest NNer out there given the right circumstances and the right day, but they have been the biggest consistent forces in every contest to date. Impressive, to say the least.
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For the first time ever, Solid Snake has made the Final Four! Believe it.

Mario has proved here that he has been coasting through this contest.

Well yeah, that's what happens when you completely outclass over 90% of the field. There aren't many paths he could have that don't count as coasting. Although to be fair, he did have to deal with Samus. It's like saying Link coasted through the Summer 2004 Contest because the only character with any chance of beating him was on the other side of the bracket.
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''If I were the rain that binds together the earth and sky, who in all eternity will never mingle, would I be able to bind the hearts of people together?''

All-Square Bracket:

There's only one thing I can do with this... favorites it.

Nibelheim Division
16) Mint defeats 1) Cloud Strife
8) Zidane Tribal defeats 9) Terra Branford
5) Celes Chere defeats 12) Selphie Tilmitt
13) Robo defeats 4) Yuffie Kisaragi
11) Fei Fong Wong defeats 6) Rikku
3) Vivi Orunitia defeats 14) Harle
10) Lucca Ashtear defeats 7) Rufus Shinra
2) Kefka defeats 15) Garland

Zanarkand Division
1) Auron defeats 16) Quina Quen
9) Ultros defeats 8) Aya Brea
5) Locke Cole defeats 12) Laguna Loire
13) Barret Wallace defeats 4) Serge
11) Seifer Almasy defeats 6) Seymour Guado (ugh)
3) Lavos defeats 14) Jecht
10) Citan Uzuki defeats 7) Lynx
15) Gato defeats 2) Vincent Valentine

Balamb Division
16) Gilgamesh defeats 1) Squall Leonhart
8) Cecil Harvey defeats 9) Kuja
5) Aeris Gainsborough defeats 12) Wiegraf Folles
4) Tifa Lockheart defeats 13) Mallow
6) Marle defeats 11) Reno
3) Tidus defeats 14) Lenneth
7) Mog defeats 10) Cait Sith
2) Crono defeats 15) Ashley Riot

J-E-N-O-V-A Division
1) Sephiroth defeats 16) Sion Barzahd
9) Kain Highwind defeats 8) Ultros (I'm only taking Kain because you have two Ultroses in the bracket)
12) Ramza Beoluve defeats 5) Red XIII
4) Frog defeats 13) Galuf
6) Cid Highwind defeats 11) Grahf
3) Yuna defeats 14) Quistis Trepe
10) Shadow defeats 7) Black Mage
2) Magus defeats 15) Dalton

ROUND 2
Nibelheim Division
16) Mint defeats 8) Zidane
5) Celes defeats 13) Robo
3) Vivi defeats 11) Fei
10) Luca defeats 2) Kefka

Zanarkand Division
9) Ultros defeats 1) Auron
5) Locke defeats 13) Barret
3) Lavos defeats 11) Seifer (worst 4-pack of the tournament)
15) Gato defeats 10) Citan

Balamb Division
8) Cecil defeats 16) Gilgamesh
5) Aeris defeats 4) Tifa
6) Marle defeats 3) Tidus
2) Crono defeats 7) Mog

J-E-N-O-V-A Division
9) Kain defeats 1) Sephiroth
12) Ramza defeats 4) Frog
3) Yuna defeats 6) Cid
2) Magus defeats 10) Shadow

ROUND 3
Nibelheim Division
16) Mint defeats 5) Celes
3) Vivi defeats 10) Luca

Zanarkand Division
9) Ultros defeats 5) Locke
15) Gato defeats 3) Lavos

Balamb Division
5) Aeris defeats 8) Cecil
2) Crono defeats 6) Marle

J-E-N-O-V-A Division
12) Ramza defeats 9) Kain
2) Magus defeats 3) Yuna

ROUND 4
East Heaven Division
16) Mint defeats 3) Vivi

Zanarkand Division
9) Ultros defeats 15) Gato

Balamb Division
5) Aeris defeats 2) Crono

J-E-N-O-V-A Division
2) Magus defeats 12) Ramza

ROUND 5+6
16) Mint defeats 9) Ultros
5) Aeris defeats 2) Magus

16) Mint defeats 5) Aeris
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SpC2K5 First Vote Champion
Nominate Jay Solano from Operation Shadow for SC2k6

because you have two Ultroses in the bracket

...Oops >_>
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (0) Voters

Snake 50/50'd Mario that update!

C'mon, Snake...just one more vote next time...
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For the first time ever, Solid Snake has made the Final Four! Believe it.

And Snake wins an update--and HOW!!!

Okay...I'm satisfied. Excellent work, Snake.
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For the first time ever, Solid Snake has made the Final Four! Believe it.