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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 248
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:25:06 PM | Message Detail
Ah, the board's back up. About time.

So can we finally conclude that Snake isn't severely hampered by bad sprites, like I've been saying all along?

This match projects him relatively close to his 2003 level.
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From: transience | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:25:06 PM | Message Detail
wow, what a sucky day for the boards to go out. go out on Samus/Yuri or something, not Bowser/Snake.

looking at Snake/Zelda, this was probably his worst time. he should hold on to this win unless the sprite picture matters so much that the day vote people have no idea who he is. I don't think that's the case at all.


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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:25:19 PM | Message Detail
Bowser needs 45 votes/15 minute update to win. He has one update the entire match that has exceeded that (80, and another with 43). I don't think he can win, but he's doing pretty well for himself, and a little better than I expected.
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From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:28:26 PM | Message Detail
Well Bowser's surprising. It seems he is indeed stronger than Zelda, though I think the pic is defiantly helping him some.
From: Cavalier Lowen | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:30:04 PM | Message Detail
Dang, why'd I pick Bowser, is it even possible for this recent surge to carry through the rest of the day?
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:30:04 PM | Message Detail
Snake by the hour:
13:00 | 49.26%
12:00 | 50.43%
11:00 | 52.10%
10:00 | 52.40%
09:00 | 52.38%
08:00 | 50.63%
07:00 | 52.48%
06:00 | 51.29%
05:00 | 50.64%
04:00 | 50.39%
03:00 | 57.92%
02:00 | 55.93%
01:00 | 54.90%

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From: transience | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:30:41 PM | Message Detail
whoa, what an update.

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From: Brett with Atreyu | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:30:41 PM | Message Detail
This match definitely proves that Snake is weakened by sprites. I think this explains what happened with Frog.

CT characters do better with sprites, especially Frog and Magus.
Snake does worse with his sprite.
Forg had more support last year.
MGS3 has come out (which would give Snake at least a small increase).

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Magus screwed my bracket over. Yay!
From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:30:55 PM | Message Detail
Board's still going offline every now and then.

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From: Kagato Toujou | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:31:19 PM | Message Detail
That'll do Bowz. That'll do.

Great performance from the Koopa King today. I'm so happy he made it a match and didn't roll over ala Yoshi last round.
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From: Aprosenf | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:32:08 PM | Message Detail
Wow, I went to sleep at like 2:30 last night, and I just got back from classes to find a whopping 20 new posts in the stats topic due to the boards oddly being out almost the exact period of time I wasn't there. Maybe the boards need me?
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:32:19 PM | Message Detail
Snake shuts all the nay-sayers up. Yay!

Bowser is doing awesome today though, and that's good to see.
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RIP Samus: Mario, you better take down Seph.
Snake vs. Bowser - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (84/104)
From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:32:56 PM | Message Detail
...who would take Solid Snake over Ganondorf if Solid got a normal picture of him?

Easily. I think Snake's proven what he set out to prove: no one outside the Noble 9 beats him this year.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:32:59 PM | Message Detail
Damn! Bowser shaved off 100 votes in 5 minutes.

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From: transience | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:33:16 PM | Message Detail
gotta love how Bowser's biggest update coincides with the boards coming back. this place is gonna go nuts if Bowser does that for a couple more updates.
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From: Dranze | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:33:18 PM | Message Detail
Holy crap, Bowser just cut 100 votes..
From: Alan_Alda | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:34:18 PM | Message Detail
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From: Super Luigi | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:34:24 PM | Message Detail
If Snake had a recognizable pic, It would be a 54-45 match basically.
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From: Brett with Atreyu | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:34:51 PM | Message Detail
I'm saying it right now: Bowser comes back.

I just had to get MGS in time for this match. As soon as I change my mind and want Snake to win, this happens.

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Magus screwed my bracket over. Yay!
From: Applekidjosh | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:35:06 PM | Message Detail
whoa... 100 votes...

Please don't be votestuffing. Please be real. Please keep happening.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:35:11 PM | Message Detail
Anyone still bashing the people who thought Bowser didn't even have a chance in today's match??
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:35:22 PM | Message Detail
That was an awful update for Snake and the most votes Bowser's gotten in a while.

And I'm not sure how this proves the sprite hurts Snake. This figured to be a close match.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:35:35 PM | Message Detail
I don't trust that update for a damn second. Gaining, sure, but not like that.
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From: Cavalier Lowen | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:35:52 PM | Message Detail
If Snake had a recognizable pic, It would be a 54-45 match basically.

Who's the missing 1% for, CATS, Tanner?
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:36:36 PM | Message Detail
Bowser isn't going to win. That update was a fluke.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:37:21 PM | Message Detail
Well, he won another update, but he only took off 13 votes that time. Bowser may comeback, but I don't think it'd be enough to win unless he pulls out more of those 100 vote gains.

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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:37:24 PM | Message Detail
God, it's gotta suck being the guy with an automatic disadvantage in the later rounds. My hat's off to Snake for winning matches against very respectable opponents while being burdened with completely unrecognizable pics.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:37:41 PM | Message Detail
We'll see if the sprite hurt Snake when he goes up against Mario. If he significantly outperforms what this match projects there, then I think it's safe to say that the sprite hurts him.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:38:00 PM | Message Detail
It's kinda strange how Squall was down 400 votes at this point in the match, and everyone said it was over.

Bowser's down 1800 votes, and people say he can come back.
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From: Dark Ninja1521 | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:38:08 PM | Message Detail
I switched my pick from Bowser to Snake at the last minute. Wonder if that was a mistake... Anyway I hope Snake wins.
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From: Super Luigi | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:38:14 PM | Message Detail
If Bowser does comeback, It will be because of cheating.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:38:51 PM | Message Detail
That update was a fluke more on Snake dropping in votes than on Bowser gaining. Bowser had a 321 and a 316 update before that...
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:40:01 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, but that 320 update was like half an hour before. He had less than 300 the two updates surrounding the 340.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:40:57 PM | Message Detail
Ah, solid update win for Snake.
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"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."
From: transience | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:40:57 PM | Message Detail
yeah, that update looked, well, wrong. I can't believe that was legit.

Leon, someone called the match for Squall when he was up 8 votes. the reason people are saying it's possible is because Bowser is cutting into the lead like that. Squall didn't do anything like that.

still, no one should call a match on a 400 vote lead unless the character is pulling a MC-esque day vote.
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:41:10 PM | Message Detail
Bowser isn't comming back, but he'll make it a damn close match.
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From: Super Luigi | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:41:14 PM | Message Detail
Snake just won that update I believe? Anyways, When Snake wins, Exspect me to make a brilliant topic to all the doubters.
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From: DaruniaTheGoron | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:41:21 PM | Message Detail
Bowser won't come back. He might win some of the afternoon vote and early evening but Snake will finish strong.
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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:41:47 PM | Message Detail
Squall and Vincent had identical patterns so the one who had the advantage at that time would likely win. What with Snake tending to choke on the afterschool compared to most opponents, the differences in attitudes between comebacks is understandable.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:43:59 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, very similar voting trends and fanbases made Vincent/Squall less likely to have an over-turning comeback. Of course, that didn't stop Kirby/Bowser from such, but it still makes it less likely.
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From: Applekidjosh | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:44:13 PM | Message Detail
Well I'd love for Bowser to win, but even if he doesn't this match makes him look fantastic.

So good for Bowser.

Does this make him the strongest Non-Noble Nine'er?
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From: Tequilla Gundam | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:45:22 PM | Message Detail
If Snake gets a good pic, he could beat Mario.

Whenever Snake gets a good pic, he wins 55-45 =/.
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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 30/32
Rank : 42/33793 Today: Mario Tomorrow: Zero
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:45:27 PM | Message Detail
Bowser and Ganondorf are pretty much the only near elites (34-36%) left. And Ganondorf got hit by SFF at least once, so Bowser is very likely to rank 10th.
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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:45:34 PM | Message Detail
Bowser Vs Ganondorf now.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:45:51 PM | Message Detail
Does this make him the strongest Non-Noble Nine'er?

No, Ganondorf is.
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:45:52 PM | Message Detail
I'd still put Ganon over Bowser, but I guess he (Bowser) is going to end up in the Top 10.
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RIP Samus: Mario, you better take down Seph.
Snake vs. Bowser - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (84/104)
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:46:18 PM | Message Detail
After seeing what Mario did yesterday, I'd take Bowser over Ganondorf in a heartbeat.
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From: RevolverAk47 | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:49:19 PM | Message Detail
bowser needs to DIE, gah I hate him, he is one character that truly doesnt deserve how high ranked he is, plus he killed kirby, makes me mad@!
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:49:43 PM | Message Detail
Ganondorf wouldn't be performing nearly as well as Bowser in this match. Remember, if we want to make things nice and even, Ganondorf would have to deal with his crappy pig sprite - not quite Solid ****, but a far cry from his OoT art.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/14/2005 1:49:48 PM | Message Detail
Oh, I'd take Bowser OVER Ganondorf, but I wouldn't say he was indirectly stronger. Yeah, I'd bank on rSFF in that match. = /

Ick, I sounded stupid just saying that. = /
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