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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 248
From: SonicRaptor | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:12:36 PM | Message Detail
You fail right there trying to measure Bowser's strength through Guybrush Threepwood...

Yes, Guybrush is pretty much fodder in these contests. Bowser looks like he could make this really close if Snake can't hold onto his lead.
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:13:16 PM | Message Detail
Bowser now has two less updates to work with, not all of which are in his favor, and he's got the same distance to climb. There's zero to worry about.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.
From: Super Luigi | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:13:30 PM | Message Detail
Karma get on aim.
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SC2K5 Favorites - Solid Snake, Kirby, Mario, Leon Kennedy.
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:13:47 PM | Message Detail
Snake reached his lowest percentage against Knuckles at 21:15. He reached his lowest point against Sora at 19:30. Frog continued gaining on Snake for the duration of the match. Snake's second night vote is much much weaker than his first.

That's misleading. Snake was losing percentage through the night against those opponents, but he wasn't losing it nearly as quickly as he was during the day. And Frog's second night vote > most. His second night vote is weaker, but it's not a pushover.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:13:49 PM | Message Detail
Bowser is stronger since then, Ganon isn't.

I dunno, that gives Kirby an awfully large victory over Auron.

You fail right there trying to measure Bowser's strength through Guybrush Threepwood...

Bowser fails because he makes Guybrush look good.

True, but Alucard has underachieved in this contest to, and his value will take a hit because of it. Bowser vs. Ganon actually seems like a tossup about now.

It's not much of a change compared to Alucard 2k3. It's already been established that Alucard 2k4 is completely wrong.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:14:56 PM | Message Detail
I can't get on AIM right now. I thought it was established how finicky it worked for me?
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:15:19 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, we really shouldn't be using Alucard's 2004 value because it's under the assumption that Ganondorf's 2003 value is correct, and it's looking very likely that it wasn't.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."
From: Mr Purge | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:15:24 PM | Message Detail
If the match ended with the exact percentages it has now, what percentage would Kirby be expected to beat Alucard with?
From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:16:02 PM | Message Detail
A pretty ridiculous one.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where _______ kicked my ass.
From: Super Luigi | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:16:05 PM | Message Detail
That was better Snake.
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SC2K5 Favorites - Solid Snake, Kirby, Mario, Leon Kennedy.
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:16:08 PM | Message Detail
Haha, Snake won that 15 minute update by 1! Booya!
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:16:34 PM | Message Detail
Ganon's still at ~32%. If I was ever going to make a claim for rSFF it'd be Kirby. Either way, I think the idea of Kirby beating Auron is great.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:17:26 PM | Message Detail
Looked like 50/50 to me, but whatev. <_< Just keep stalling, Snake.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!
From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:17:36 PM | Message Detail
Haha, Snake won that 15 minute update by 1! Booya!

lol, updater says it was 50/50...
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb
From: Dranze | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:17:42 PM | Message Detail
Bowser fails because he makes Guybrush look good.

....And how?
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:17:43 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, I see 50/50 as well.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:18:25 PM | Message Detail
15 =/= 5
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:18:34 PM | Message Detail
Fittyslashfitty for me too.
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From: Dranze | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:18:50 PM | Message Detail
He meant by 15 minutes, not that 5 minute update. Go back 2 more and add them up.
From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:19:03 PM | Message Detail
15 minute update, ya turkeys.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where _______ kicked my ass.
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:19:12 PM | Message Detail
Ah, but of course... <___<
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:19:59 PM | Message Detail
...I knew that. Ahem. Yeah.....
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From: transience | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:21:29 PM | Message Detail
oh yeah - congrats to HM and whoever else made the leaderboard.
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From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:21:44 PM | Message Detail
cheh....15 minute updates are SO 2k3!
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:21:59 PM | Message Detail
Either way, I think the idea of Kirby beating Auron is great.

Yeah, but by that much? I know Kirby would probably win, but I wouldn't expect it to be a blowout of MGS2-proportions.
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.
From: NewLib | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:26:03 PM | Message Detail
Let me say this:

Gannondorf > Bowser. The Bowser/Kirby guartnees that. Auron is not that much weaker than Kirby. Seriously, I believe a Dorf/Snake match could have been the match of the contest.

Second, the sprite is doing nothing. You cant tell me that you think Bowser is barely greater than Frog. Its just not have the same effect. Im starting to think it wasnt so much Snake's sprite as it was Frog's. Frog and Magus just get more power due to theirs.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man
From: Tediz247 | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:27:06 PM | Message Detail
lol downtime

Great to see Snake winning here. I wish he had a bigger lead, but at least it's a lead. Looks like an easy road to 100-0. It's 93-0 after today, right?
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From: greatone10 | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:27:42 PM | Message Detail
Snake's sprite isn't as bad as the one he had against Frog, either.
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From: Dranze | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:28:12 PM | Message Detail
I don't think Bowser would beat Ganondorf by pure strength, I think he would beat Ganondorf by SFF power, so Kirby >>>> Auron shouldn't even be bothered with in my opinion.
From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:28:31 PM | Message Detail
Second, the sprite is doing nothing.

How do we know?

You cant tell me that you think Bowser is barely greater than Frog.

I'm not taking many of last year's results seriously. According to last year, Frog beats Bowser.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where _______ kicked my ass.
From: NewLib | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:29:08 PM | Message Detail
So if people are going by SFF power for Bowser, who wins: Gannondorf or Snake?
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man
From: Kagato Toujou | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:29:36 PM | Message Detail
Snake.
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From: Super Luigi | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:29:52 PM | Message Detail
Snake would beat Ganon. My god, Why do people still keep doubting Snake?
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SC2K5 Favorites - Solid Snake, Kirby, Mario, Leon Kennedy.
From: Majin Lou | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:29:57 PM | Message Detail
*cheers on Snake*

Also, I'd love to see a Ganondorf/Snake match.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:30:24 PM | Message Detail
I don't think Bowser would beat Ganondorf by pure strength, I think he would beat Ganondorf by SFF power, so Kirby >>>> Auron shouldn't even be bothered with in my opinion.

Agreed. If you argue that the match will be decided by a SFF swing, it's useless to debate legitimate strength, common opponents, and all that jazz. Mario took that whole argument and tossed it out the window 24 hours ago.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where _______ kicked my ass.
From: NewLib | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:30:36 PM | Message Detail
Well we dont. Its an opinion. But this is exactly how much stronger I expected Bowser to be compared to Zelda. I knew it was over after Zelda, but the sprite gave me hope =(.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man
From: ExquisiteSamurai | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:30:57 PM | Message Detail
Today's pic really sucks ass.. Snake always look horrible with the sprite pic!!!!

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:31:36 PM | Message Detail
If Bowser gets to 49%, I'd take Ganon over Snake; I think the picture only hurts a lil', and not enough to give Solid a win over Ganon.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:31:47 PM | Message Detail
So if people are going by SFF power for Bowser, who wins: Gannondorf or Snake?

Snake. The only way Ganondorf even has a chance is if he gets Ocarina of Time art against Zombie Snake. If it were a sprite match, he'd be doing worse than Bowser.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where _______ kicked my ass.
From: NewLib | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:32:35 PM | Message Detail
2k6 will be interesting especially if TP is out before.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:32:59 PM | Message Detail
Snake's sprite isn't as bad as the one he had against Frog, either.

It's still completely unrecognizable to someone who's never played the original Metal Gear. I guess I should be glad that MGS3: Subsistence will get some of the fans used to that look...
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:33:20 PM | Message Detail
I'm not exactly convinced that the sprite has no effect, either. Remember, Snake 2k4 =/= Snake 2k5. Wait for Mario/Snake for confirmation. If Snake performs like he should based on Bowser here, then it's fine and dandy, no problems. If he overperforms, then I think sprites matter for him.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!
From: Dranze | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:34:08 PM | Message Detail
Bowser is way stronger than Frog because he's done better on a stronger Snake.
From: transience | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:35:10 PM | Message Detail
I don't think we'll know what's up until Mario/Seph, and even that's kind of up in the air. I can't see Snake below 35%, but I also can't see him going 55-45 with Mario.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:35:19 PM | Message Detail
I'd take Snake over Ganondorf, too. After seeing what Diablo did, I'm not entirely convinced he's as strong as the Spring says, and I'm not buying a sizable dive. Heck, if Master Chief is an indication that Crono is actually weaker than 2004, then Kefka is weaker, too, and we can't use Vercetti as reference.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."
From: Super Luigi | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:36:48 PM | Message Detail
How does Snake stall him one update, Then the next update, Bowser just gains so much %?
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SC2K5 Favorites - Solid Snake, Kirby, Mario, Leon Kennedy.
From: NewLib | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:36:50 PM | Message Detail
Well the thing is Ganon is going to be so underrated by the stats its not going to be funny. He is behind two levels of SFF.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man
From: I_Dont_Love_You | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:37:23 PM | Message Detail
Bowser is your God.
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George Romero > You.
From: ExquisiteSamurai | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:37:23 PM | Message Detail
Sprite Round >>>>>>>>>>>> Snake

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/14/2005 2:37:27 PM | Message Detail
Solid would have 70% if he had a pic of him in a box right now.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.
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