As much as I'd love to see Mario take out Sephiroth, I just don't see it happening. I'll be voting for Mario though.
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Most Wanted: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (GameCube), Soul Calibur III (PS2)

Heh. I'm guaranteed a leaderboard appearance tomorrow. I only hope I can keep it up with Bowser overcoming Snake.

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Mario lost 3% over the day to Zero, maybe he'll lose some to Samus.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

While I have zero chance of winning this, assuming Snake>Bowser and MegaMan>Sonic, a top 50 appearance before Mario/Crono IV seems likely. And if I win out from here, there is perhaps the off-chance I eke into the money. It will all depend on the number of those Crono brackets ahead of me who have Samus>Mario. Die... all of you!

Though I doubt they will, as most Crono supporters would have it no other way than over Mario. Anything else would not be fitting.

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Mario lost 3% over the day to Zero, maybe he'll lose some to Samus.

Percentage doesn't mean a great deal in this match, as all it's doing is determining just how much SFF there is. And it's a lot easier to lose 3% (well, actually just over 2%, but that's nitpicking) when you're aiming for a doubling and then dropping away than to drop that amount from 60/40.
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

percent is what the x-st are based off.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

well, unless Mega Man pulls it out, we should have an awesome final.

other than that, this sucks. bah.
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percent is what the x-st are based off.

Yes, because we all know that the x-stats are of critical importance to making out picks, and that the difference between a 60/40 match filled with SFF and 58/42 match filled with SFF must be huge and significant. Mario and Samus are roughly the same SFF aside, we don't need minute tinkering and analysis to the hundredth of a percent to realise that. And anyone relying purely on this years' x-stats to predict something like, say, Zero-Ganondorf, is just as silly as anyone who can't take a small step out of the stat-filled box and see just how daft picking Samus>Mario is.
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

why do you have to live in a stat-filled world to pick Samus over Mario?
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is just as silly as anyone who can't take a small step out of the stat-filled box and see just how daft picking Samus>Mario is.

How was Samus > Mario a bad pick? If you only use this generation she would've easily beat Mario.

I never really expected SFF, but if it were to happen Mario would benefit.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

why do you have to live in a stat-filled world to pick Samus over Mario?

Because saying that Samus would beat Mario in a popularity contest on a site that has never really liked Metroid is silly. It's only when people try to back up a pick with numbers that things get confused.
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

...what? nevermind, I'm done arguing when you say this site doesn't like metroid.

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If you only use this generation she would've easily beat Mario.

If you only use the 8-bit generation and earlier, Pac-Man beats Snake. We can all make up daft scenarios that can't possibly exist.
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

Remember that match between Sephiroth and Megaman in 2003? Amazing that they ranked right next to each other in the X-Sts, once you figure out that that big gap's been erased and both Samus and Mario found their place above 40% on BL.

Clinkeroth domination my ass.
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Zelos: Half the world's girls are destined to become my servants of love!
Presea: The probability of that is... infinitely close to zero.

Because saying that Samus would beat Mario in a popularity contest on a site that has never really liked Metroid is silly. It's only when people try to back up a pick with numbers that things get confused.

Lol, this site loves Metroid more then most sites. In some sites she wouldn't be considered elite.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

In fact, it's almost mystifying how much this site loves Metroid, considering there are quite a few other franchises other than Mario and Zelda that outsell it considerably.
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Zelos: Half the world's girls are destined to become my servants of love!
Presea: The probability of that is... infinitely close to zero.

...what? nevermind, I'm done arguing when you say this site doesn't like metroid.

Show me some evidence that anything Metroid-related barring Samus has shown any strength whatsoever in a contest. Oh wait, all three of the Metroid games in the contest rolled over and died to other Nintendo games, and let's not even mention the Spring Contest.
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Jon Thomson - MARIO, Samus, SOLID SNAKE, Bowser, CRONO, Squall, Sonic, MEGA MAN

If you only use the 8-bit generation and earlier, Pac-Man beats Snake. We can all make up daft scenarios that can't possibly exist.

What I'm trying to say is that Samus over Mario was not a bad pick and even without the x-st people on the board would pick her over Mario.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

what a stupid argument. Mario 64 rolled over to Ocarina of Time and you don't see me calling Mario weak.

to say that this site dislikes Metroid is stupid. if it dislikes Metroid, then it dislikes Sonic, Mega Man, MGS and everything not called Mario, Zelda and FF7.
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Show me some evidence that anything Metroid-related barring Samus has shown any strength whatsoever in a contest. Oh wait, all three of the Metroid games in the contest rolled over and died to other Nintendo games, and let's not even mention the Spring Contest.

Show me evidence that she has ANY strength on other sites.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

Clinkeroth domination my ass.

I agree.

It should be Link domination.

Anyway, saying that Samus over Mario was a daft pick is daft. Many, many of us believed that there would be little SFF in the match and that Samus, having put more impressive numbers than Mario in past contests, would beat him. Of course, nobody had the luxury of changing their bracket after the first two rounds...

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Warden: Talk! What is SeeD all about!?
Squall: ...Flower.

Huzzah! .. Mario > that overrated Samus!

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Un-****ing-believable. Congratulations to Heroic Mario, who shall be winning this contest.
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HM.. I'll be rooting for your matches!! BOWSER > SNAKE!!! , make it happen! ..

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

Aww, anything but another SFF snoozer involving Mario... pwease?
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Zelos: Half the world's girls are destined to become my servants of love!
Presea: The probability of that is... infinitely close to zero.

Mario vs. Sonic for finals.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

Here's to Bowser > Snake and Mega Man > Crono, leading to a contest completely covered in SFF.
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Aw, man, you're mean. It's going to make 2004 look like a piece of art if it turns out like that.
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Zelos: Half the world's girls are destined to become my servants of love!
Presea: The probability of that is... infinitely close to zero.

Hmm...Mario is expected to beat Ganondorf 67.62%, compared to the 58.17% that Sephiroth got. Additionally, Cloud only managed 59.01% on Samus...Mario is currently at 59.87%. Now, obviously there's SFF here (and possibly in Samus/Ganondorf as well), but this is ridiculously impressive against someone who supposedly resisted SFF against Link. And there has to be rSFF to pull Mario down to Sephiroth's level, going through Ganondorf (assuming no SFF in Samus/Ganondorf), which means very good things for the ToC. There's no AC to save Seph now...
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I agree. my bracket's in the garbage, but I'd be scared if I was in the top 50 and had Seph over Mario at this point.
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Everyone... dont get your panties in a ruffle.

Mario is beating Samus the way he should.

Not as strong as link did, but with some minor SFF, by a fair margin.

Everyone is having delusions of granduer!



KB

YAY GO MARIO!


KB

Even with a fair amount of SFF, Mario would beat Sephiroth at this rate.

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Warden: Talk! What is SeeD all about!?
Squall: ...Flower.

Minor? He's getting as much SFF as he did on Bowser for God's sake.
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Zelos: Half the world's girls are destined to become my servants of love!
Presea: The probability of that is... infinitely close to zero.

So... how is it that Samus is being SFFed when she herself couldn't even do it to Ganondorf?
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Huh-CHA!

that's a bad question. Samus is from the smaller series and has never SFFed anything before.

here's a better one: how strong was Samus in 2k3?
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If I were to make a favorites bracket with the only exception of putting the noble 9 as far as they could (Snake and Crono to the final 4 and the rest only to the elite 8) I would have 81 points (not including today) my wrong picks would've been.

Round 1

CJ over Ness
Wesker over Lloyd
Big Boss over Auron

Round 2

Alucard over Sora
Donkey Kong over Master Chief
Knuckles over Squall
Luigi over Tifa

Round 3

Knuckles over Vincent

The Rest of my bracket would look like...

Mario over Samus
Solid Snake over Bowser
Crono over Knuckles
Sonic over Mega Man

Mario over Solid Snake
Sonic over Crono

Mario over Sonic

Link over Cloud
Mario over Sephiroth

Mario over Link

If I had Link winning instead this would look like a good bracket.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

Is this not the same picture of Samus that got her game trippled by LTTP in Spring '04? ;)

Regardless, I'm really impressed by Mario's performance. I thought he might win by a hair, but this current performance is just ridiculous.
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http://www.sc2k5.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=38

good call, though one would expect SM Samus for the SM picture.
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With Link having had 35.39% of the bracketeers chosing him for Champion even after he lost to Cloud in 2003, what percentage do you (... anybody answer) think took him this year?

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From: transience | Posted: 9/13/2005 9:23:42 AM | #486
that's a bad question. Samus is from the smaller series and has never SFFed anything before.

here's a better one: how strong was Samus in 2k3?

37.94% on BL.

Here's a much more relevant one: how strong was Samus in 2002? Can't believe the jury is still out on that one, but I'm saying 35-36%.
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Zelos: Half the world's girls are destined to become my servants of love!
Presea: The probability of that is... infinitely close to zero.

Even better: What percent takes Mario over Samus this year? I'm saying 60% of the brackets have Mr. Nintendo winning.

And as for Mario over Samus being obvious...even in 2k2, there were a lot of brackets that had Samus winning. She had better odds than Sonic to take the bracket. It's not like the XS are the only reason to think she can beat Mario.
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what I meant was, if Samus gets SFFed this hard against Mario, how strong was she in 2003? I can't imagine Mario SFFing her harder than Link could, and Link is way stronger than Mario.

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and 45% for Mario. 60 is a lot.
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But it's true.

As I said, SFF habits seem to change with the demographics and the passage of time. Odds are, once KH2 is out, if Aeris and Sora were ever to meet again, Sora would NOT get SFFed out of a close match a second time.
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Zelos: Half the world's girls are destined to become my servants of love!
Presea: The probability of that is... infinitely close to zero.

the key words there are "when KH2 is out", though. what's Mario had, those sports games? not to mention Samus had MP2.
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Well, these sports games are much appreciated by those who want to be entertained by their games and don't expect an 80-hour epic every time they buy a game.
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Zelos: Half the world's girls are destined to become my servants of love!
Presea: The probability of that is... infinitely close to zero.

I have no problem with that, but I can't imagine they'd help Mario to the tune of being this much stronger. a voter shift makes sense to me, but this is an absolutely monstrous shift if that's the case.

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Hey, I know this is SFF at work. The question is, if Link fell flat on his face trying to SFF both, then why is it happening here? I was just saying what I think the answer is.
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Zelos: Half the world's girls are destined to become my servants of love!
Presea: The probability of that is... infinitely close to zero.

well, if a voter shift is that monstrous, then I'd be scared if I was Seph and Cloud has no chance vs. Link.

oh, and Samus > Mario.
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