"How should we celebrate when Sonic beats Mega Man? A 500 topic in Sonic's honor" -Deus

>_>



*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/1

Summer 2003 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/2

Spring 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/3

Summer 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/4

Summer 2005 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/5

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27

All Time Extrapolated Standings:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/alltimexsts.htm



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

All the match pics, save for three from 2002:
http://www.sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php



*Miscellaneous*


Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

MMXcalibur's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

A List of Acronyms, A Lesson on Percentages, and Some Odd Matches:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm

Poll Vote Total Updater:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/25

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251



!yawA tsoP

Mario VS Sonic in the finals

It will happen.
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When this happened, all of us got PWND by Smurf
http://www.freewebs.com/vgcg/Knuckles.jpg

Fourthdues makes me laugh
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Fiery sexist on thug

...What smells like blue?
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

GO MEGA MAN!!
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Goldmember: Can I paint his yoo-hoo gold now? It's kind of my thing, you know...
Dr. Evil: How about NO, you crazy Dutch bastard!

Mario VS Sonic in the finals

First off, the finals are still COMPLETELY up for grabs.

We will have a much clearer idea at the semi-finals for sure. But to call it already? That's just not good logic.

Mario is not a sure fire win against samus. I'm sorry, but it's true. Even if Mario wins, it will be a narrow victory, you can hold me on that.

And Sonic vs. Mega Man is exactly the same. Close match going either character's way.

hell! It could be:

Snake vs. Vincent Valentine in the Finals

It will happen.

^^
That statement is as logical as yours.

We won't have a clear picture at all until the semi finals.

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You can have your opinion...
...It's wrong, but you can have it

Nah, we can be pretty sure it won't be Vincent in the finals. Crono over Vincent is pretty much the only sure-fire lock in the Elite Eight.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

Mario V Sonic




BOOK IT
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To excel you must kick ass. How do you get EXP weapons, equipment and money quickly? Kicking ass.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Nah, we can be pretty sure it won't be Vincent in the finals. Crono over Vincent is pretty much the only sure-fire lock in the Elite Eight.

Personally, I'm inclined to agree with you...the point is; no one can be completely sure of finals yet. Upsets happen.

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You can have your opinion...
...It's wrong, but you can have it

Oh, and you think Snake isn't a complete lock over Bowser?

Wow...
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You can have your opinion...
...It's wrong, but you can have it

*ahem*
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SC2k5: 85/92 *Currently 12th on the Leaderboard*
Come on Bowser! Make this dream a reality!

I'm very confident Snake will beat Bowser, but I'm not going so far as to say it's a lock. The upset potential is at least there, even if it is slim.
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"A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own."
"Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same thing."

Yea, Snake Bowser is a match I am keeping my eye on, but I dont think I will be suprised.


KB

Yea, Snake Bowser is a match I am keeping my eye on, but I dont think I will be suprised.

I honestly think the biggest upset we'll see is Vincent over Crono. Crono is technically the favorite, but Vincent has definitely held his own thus far.

A lot of people thought he'd lose to Sarah Kerrigan. He buried her.

A lot of people thought he'd lose to Dante. He destroyed him...sorta

A lot of people thought he'd lose to Squall. He conquered him.

It's going to be a close match wether you like it or not. In fact, a lot of people probably would like it...but that's not the point.

The point is, it could happen.

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You can have your opinion...
...It's wrong, but you can have it

A lot of people thought he'd lose to Squall. He conquered him.

1149 votes is not conquering someone, it being slightly better.

If anything Vincent will get 45%, if he is lucky.



KB

well, I've done it after every round, so I might as well do it now:

1.) Samus
2.) Mario
3.) Crono
4.) Mega Man
5.) Sonic
6.) Snake
7.) Bowser
8.) Vincent

I'm quite sketchy on 1-2 and 4-5, but the rest is pretty set in stone, I'd say.
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I'm very confident Snake will beat Bowser, but I'm not going so far as to say it's a lock.

I would say there's a 70% chance that Snake will win.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

A lot of people thought he'd lose to Squall. He conquered him.

1149 votes is not conquering someone, it being slightly better.

If anything Vincent will get 45%, if he is lucky.

Sorry bout that...That was just bad verbage on my part...

But only 45% on crono? It's going to be just as close as Vincent/Squall, if not closer.

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You can have your opinion...
...It's wrong, but you can have it

But only 45% on crono? It's going to be just as close as Vincent/Squall, if not closer.

NO. Crono is on Mario's level. Squall...is not. Vincent will be beaten comfortably.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

Hey now, I think Deus is awesome. I just think he'll be a hilarious read if his favorite character loses to his least favorite character, knowing the way he is.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, WC3: Frozen Throne, Advance Wars

well, I've done it after every round, so I might as well do it now:

1.) Samus
2.) Mario
3.) Crono
4.) Mega Man
5.) Sonic
6.) Snake
7.) Bowser
8.) Vincent


Vincent below Bowser? I think everyone is really underestimating Vincent.

Everyone was cheering for him these past few weeks, and the instantly turn their backs on him when he faces a noble niner...it's kinda funny actually...
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You can have your opinion...
...It's wrong, but you can have it

"How should we celebrate when Mega Man beats Sonic? A 500 topic in Megaman's honor" -Deus

Fixed <_<
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WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa
"Masa, everytime I talk to you, my urge for hot pockets rises. Damn you" - Linky.

I'd take Bowser over Squall in a second.
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People stopped thinking Vincent was godly after Dante. Squall only confirmed what everyone suspected. He's almost certainly last out of all the characters remaining.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

I'd pick Bowser over Vinny, but this contest is too screwed up for me to be sure. Especially with the matches in recent years that had Squall>Kirby by more than Bowser>Kirby. I think that data's probably unusable by now, but I can't be sure.

So, anyone have any ideas for why Yoshi's gettin creamed so bad? I'm starting to think Mega Man's fanbase may overlap quite a bit with the Nintendo crew after all.
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I can't think of anything to put here, but I can't just leave it blank, can I?

People thought that sonic could win?!

Vincent below Bowser? I think everyone is really underestimating Vincent.

Where would you peg them in the stats? I'd put Bowser at ~34% and Vincent at ~32%, but there's more possibility for Bowser to be higher and for Vincent to be lower than vice versa.

1.) Samus - 44%BL
2.) Mario - 42%
3.) Snake - 38%
4.) Mega Man - 38%
5.) Crono - 37.5%
6.) Sonic - 37%
7.) Bowser - 34%
8.) Vincent - 32%
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

you estimate characters rather highly. I'd have a hard time putting anyone at 40% of BL, except maybe Samus.
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It's sad when... maybe 3 or so characters can even get 40% on Link. Link owns anything and everything in this contest.


~RPGGamer~

Wow, Mega Man is completely thrashing Yoshi.
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Return of SF1: YOU DON'T HAVE A CASE!
makeyourchance: Yes I do! It's Samsonite.

And the best part about this match is that Leon > Yoshi, and that GFNW will rank higher than half the field.
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Return of SF1: YOU DON'T HAVE A CASE!
makeyourchance: Yes I do! It's Samsonite.

<_< I declare a new factor, IRPF.

Inconstant Ratio of Popularity Factor. When one character is significantly more well known than its opponent, it receives the "casual" votes that between two characters of near equal mainstream-ness (NOT strength) would have been split more evenly. The potency of this effect fluctuates every year due to the number of "casuals."

The whole contest has been suggesting this >_>

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Worst. Sig. Ever.
Period.

I can't wait until Link vs. Sephiroth, where Link proceeds to make the entire contest look like complete ****.
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Return of SF1: YOU DON'T HAVE A CASE!
makeyourchance: Yes I do! It's Samsonite.

Heh...Imagine if somehow Mega Man pulled it out and we got Link/Mega Man again. Nobody above 35% on BL!
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

I agree that out of all the matches, only Crono > Vincent is a lock. Mario/Samus should be exciting, Sonic/Mega Man should be exciting, and Bowser's got UnderDog Factor in his match against Snake, so that should be fun to watch.

>.>

Yes, UnderDog Factor. It's how Knuckles beat Magus.
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/OUT OF ORDER/

I beat Disgaea yesterday.

Laharl looking like crap after today saddens me.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (0) Voters

Mario WILL beat Samus tomorrow!

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

Sonic's sprite > Mega Man's sprite.

gg, no rm.
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"ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'." - Topaz Kitsune
*Waiting for Guru winner's sig*

Ceej should have had two alternating pics. One with Mario homefield swarmed by metroids, another with Samus homefeld swarmed by Goombas and Koopas.

Come on, you know that would be quite awesome.
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"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." ~ Isaac Asimov

At least Samus gets the slight pic advantage.

SM Samus + Metroid > M&L Mario + Hammer

FIRE!!
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Mega Man vs. Yoshi - Bracket: Mega - Vote: Yoshi (80/92)

A Metroid > Mario
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Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent.

I got my first 500 post. Yay?

Anyway, Spriets are good, but Samus doesn't very good.

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Magus screwed my bracket over. Yay!

Vote totals on this match are pretty bleh. Outta the whole Sweet 16, only the Nintendo on Nintendo matches were worse at this point.

Is it possible we'll see SFF in Sonic/Mega Man?

I mean, both are blue and surrogate Nintendo characters. Not to mention they're blue.
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George Romero > You.

If theres SFF in Sonic/Mega Man I honestly can't it not favoring Sonic.

Ceej should have had two alternating pics. One with Mario homefield swarmed by metroids, another with Samus homefeld swarmed by Goombas and Koopas.

That'd be gold.


The match picture looks sweet, but this brings up the question: could Sonic/Mega be the only other match with a "mixed home-field"? Afterall, this is a match of one-seeds, as is Sonic/Mega. Snake/Bowser and Crono/Vincent are differently seeded, making for POTENTIAL sole-advantages in the background for Solid and Crono.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Mushroom/Zebes Division Round 4 - Match 57 – (1)Mario vs. (1)Samus

Mario - Warped down the wrong pipe this time.
Round 1 – vs. Joanna Dark (Mario: 80.90% - Joanna: 19.10%)
Round 2 – vs. Ness (Mario: 82.80% - Ness: 17.20%)
Round 3 – vs. Zero (Mario: 62.86% - Zero: 37.14%)

Ouch, what was Zero fighting for? He gets owned by Mario.

Samus - She’s going to need every upgrade possible in this fight.
Round 1 – vs. Ryu H. (Samus: 87.32% - Yuri: 12.68%)
Round 2 – vs. Frog (Samus: 70.05% - Frog: 29.95%)
Round 3 – vs. Ganondorf (Samus: 59.66% - Ganon: 40.34%)

Samus does decent against Ganondorf…better than Seph did.

Well, it’s finally here. This match will either make, or break most brackets. The winner of this match here, has the best chance of going on and winning the Contest, kind of like Link/Cloud back in 2003. On one side, we have the legend, the icon, Mr. Nintendo, Mario! On the other side, we have the badass, the bounty hunter, Mrs. Nintendo, Samus! Fasten your seat-belts readers, this is going to be one hell of a ride!

Mario and Samus are Contest vets. Both have been around since 2002. Back then, Mario was under-performing against Servbot and Morrigan, SFFing Donkey Kong, and managing to somehow beat Cloud and Crono before losing to Link 62-38. Samus in 2002 had a much less exciting path. She made Ken Masters look great, beat Ryu easily, passed Sonic by a hair, and then lost to Sephiroth. Samus still ended up ranking higher than Mario 41.07% to 37.47%.

2003 rolled around and both were back to lay more carnage. Mario stomped Olimar, got 55% on Shadow, and then barely edged past Crono again. He then went on to get flattened by Sephiroth. Samus destroyed Issac and KOS-MOS, got 58% on Squall, then lost to Link 62-38. This year, Mario barely outranked Samus 38.18%-37.94%

Now let’s move to 2004. Mario crushed JC Denton, SFFed Bowser, then lost to Crono 53-47. Samus out-lasted Mario by far. She obliterated Lara and Fisher so badly, people were thinking she could take down Cloud and Link. She then got 66% on Sora, 57.5% on Sonic, and then lost to Cloud in a 59-41 match. Samus easily beat Mario in the rankings 42.36% to 37.28%

Alright, now that we’ve looked at their history, we can see some things. Samus has outranked Mario twice, while Mario has beaten Samus only once. The one time Mario won was close too, while Samus easily beat Mario. Mario also looks to remain static over the three years, while Samus went down in 2003, then back up in 2004. Also, both of them have faced all the members of Clinkeroth, so let’s look at that.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=999 – Seph/Samus
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1363 – Seph/Mario

Seph gets 52% on Samus in 2002, and 62% on Mario in 2003. Well, with the Square boost in 2003, it’s easier to see why Mario did so poorly, but if a rematch was done today, I would not only put Mario over Seph, but also Samus.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1361 – Link/Samus
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1002 –Link/Mario

Link gets 38% on both Mario (2002) and Samus (2003). Well, Mario did slightly better, but they still both pot up near equal performances on Link.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1780 – Cloud/Samus
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=996 – Cloud/Mario

Mario…actually beat Cloud, while Samus got 41% on Cloud. I can say with 100% confidence that Mario would not beat Cloud today. He might be able to break 40% though.

Alright, after a huge history lesson, time to get focused on this year, 2005. Before, Samus has looked better than Mario for the most part, but is that all going to change this year?

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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Mega Man vs. Yoshi - Bracket: Mega - Vote: Yoshi (80/92)

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Mario has already taken down Joanna, SFFed Ness to the bottom of the barrel, and really impressed against Zero. Samus had the biggest blow-out of the Contest against Yuri, showed us that Frog was very weak by getting 70% on him, and showing to us that large amounts of SFF doesn’t occur when two big Nintendo names go head to head when she got 60% on Ganondorf. They both have been looking great so far, but if I had to give the edge to someone, I’d give it to Mario by an inch. He’s done nothing but impress us, and 63% on Zero is very shocking.

Mario also has the brackets on his side. Over 80% have him in the Elite 8, while less than 50% have Samus here. Mario is the favorite by the casuals to win, while Samus is the board favorite. It’s going to be close here, guys. We’ve already seen many times that there isn’t much, if any, SFF in matches between stronger Nintendo characters, meaning Samus wins alone based on pure strength. Mario supporters though, have a nice argument on their side. Will a majority of the voters vote Mario, who is basically the mascot of Nintendo, over Samus, who rests on the second tier in the Nintendo hierarchy?

Since this is my analysis, I’ll tell you what I think. Mario and Samus won’t get any SFF on each other. They could, but it won’t be huge either way. I think Samus will win on pure strength alone. Link couldn’t get SFF on either of them, so it’s doubtful that either would get it on the other. However, if SFF does play a role here, then it would most likely go to Mario. This is a match for the ages, folks. Enjoy it while you can.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Samus will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Mario: 49% - Samus: 51%



Inviso’s Analysis

Well, this is THE MATCH of the contest. It is highly speculated that whomever wins this match will win the whole tournament, and then go on to give Sephiroth a good fight. On the one hand, we have Mario. He’s the king of gaming, he’s Nintendo’s mascot, and he has pumped out one of the biggest collections of games in a variety of genres. Round one, he blew out Joanna Dark. Round 2, he SFF blew out Ness. And Round 3, he physically owned Zero, after everyone had said Zero was on the verge of breaking the noble nine. Mario, like seemingly every other Nintendo character, has had a huge boost this year, and it’s served him well in eliminating two cases of fodder, and one pretty damn powerful character.

On the other side of this match, we have Samus Aran, the star of one of Nintendo’s biggest series, Metroid, and also one of the stronger characters in this contest. She made final 4 last year and got 41% on Cloud, a very impressive feat, and has gotten equal numbers as Mario has on Link. This year, she started things off by blowing out Kyle Bowen’s favorite character, aka fodder. She went on the next round to get 70% on a character that’d done exceptionally well against Solid Snake in 2004, but seemed to be on a decline like the rest of the characters from his game. And in round 3, she nearly broke 60% against Ganondorf, the one character of the Zero/Magus/Ganondorf trio that has proven his strength as a top tier character. That is a powerful performance for Samus, given that in that match, there was most likely little SFF, or reverse SFF, due to Zelda being so much more powerful than Metroid.

This match truly is up in the air. Everything thus far in this contest has been so unpredictable. One minute, you think a character has everything locked up, and the next minute, Knuckles is advancing to round 2 for the fourth year in a row. A lot of this talk about Nintendo boost was shaken when Yoshi performed worse against Megaman than Leon Kennedy did, making Gordon Freeman look good in the process. So, I’m gonna go with my bracket on this one. I’m probably gonna be wrong, but we’ll see.

My Bracket: Samus Aran
My Vote: Samus Aran
My Prediction: Samus Aran with 52.31%