He was always more Nintendo than Capcom in the minds of people around here.

Then why is Link/Mega Man SFF so debated?
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Then why is Link/Mega Man SFF so debated?

...because he was always more Nintendo than Capcom in the minds of people around here. That's the point he's trying to make.
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Phew, his percent raised a little. C'mon Yoshi, keep raising. You can't look this weak, you just can't.

If the match ends with about Mega at 60%, then I'd feel comfortable with my MM > Sonic pick.
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I just find it silly how quickly people in the stats topic is to write someone off or call them a powerhouse even after they are REPEATEDLY proven wrong in later matches. You'd think more people wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions after every match... But that's the nature of the topic I guess...
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I think Mega Man will finish with 62% at the least, and he could well finish in the 64%-65+% range.

Then why is Link/Mega Man SFF so debated?

It is a controversial thing. I wasn't really talking about that. I'm just saying that Mega Man has always been associated with Nintendo, especially by people around here.
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Err... debated in the sense that many people refuse to believe it.
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Everybody with a score of 18 or lower got the match wrong.

Good performace by the top tiers. The -3, -4, -5 and -6s all went perfect and the -7s were one person off perfect. Next we've got high 80s and low 90s and slowly fades as you go down.

Only three people fell off the Top 50 today. day25366, Attacker225 and Celandir didn't have Sonic winning the match today.
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He was always more Nintendo than Capcom in the minds of people around here.

Indeed. Anyone who can clearly remember the NES days knows that at that time there were "Nintendo" games, which meant games that could be played on a Nintendo. Virtually no one cared if it was Capcom, Nintendo, or Konami.
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Anyone who can clearly remember the NES days knows that at that time there were "Nintendo" games, which meant games that could be played on a Nintendo. Virtually no one cared if it was Capcom, Nintendo, or Konami.

WORD.
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Yeesh. I had no idea I was posting such an established, agreeable belief. I guess the Blue Bomber is Nintendo's #4.
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Hmm, I said that I'd give MM the nod if he got over 60%, and it looks like he's primed to do it. I never bought Link/MM SFF, and I still don't buy it...but Lord, if MM's *adjusted* is valid, Gordon Freeman either made the godliest of jumps or I'd have him break 40% on Link.
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You'd think more people wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions after every match... But that's the nature of the topic I guess...

It was stated by people that they expected Mega Man's stock would go up (relative to Sonic, specifically) this rouund (including myself). Though I didn't expect this much of a blowout in favor of Mega Man.

And on the Nintendo/Capcom thing, that was why I expected Mega Man to also benefit from "The Boost" as well as the Nintendo (and possibly Sonic) characters, and why I was even more shocked at how well Leon did.
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Perhaps Gordon Freeman simply SFFs everybody in votes from the "wearing glasses" demographic... >_>
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And don't even get me started on if Mega Man boosted. Though I really doubt he did like the other Ninty, looking at Conker. Unless he should have been unadjusted last year and now he's just boosting closer to the adjusted.
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Things are looking quite interesting for the next round in pretty much all of the matches save Crono/Vincent -- although I think that'll be good just to see how well Vincent is able to do.

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What people always forgot about was, while he didn't look so hot against Leon (compared to our expectations), he did better than many expectations against Conker, too. Putting his matches against Yoshi and Conker together, Mega Man's not looking bad at all...and, through him, Leon and Gordon aren't either.
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Considering Crono wasn't able to SFF Magus or possibly Zidane and that FF7 > CT, I'm intrigued to see how Vincent does.
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While I know that there are those who said Leon would be strong, and I now accept it as true, I still have some trouble conceiving it.
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Yeesh. I had no idea I was posting such an established, agreeable belief. I guess the Blue Bomber is Nintendo's #4.

I think it's just that the people who agree with you are speaking up vocally, since this subject has been hotly debated in the past. =P
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I'm sure Crono did SFF Magus by a few points at least.
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"I just find it silly how quickly people in the stats topic is to write someone off or call them a powerhouse"

Amen, go Mega Man.
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Megaman is SFFing Yoshi..

You do know that.
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Considering Crono wasn't able to SFF Magus

For a second there I was wondering where that idea came from, then I realized that Magus was quite a distance away from his 2003 number. =p

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Heh, I'm assuming Magus 2k5 = 2k4 here, for better or for worse.
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Gone to bed now...Yoshi, Leon, and Tidus: rank them.
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I'm having a tough time envisioning Leon giving Yoshi any kind of match. In a year where Master Chief struggles with Donkey Kong, Leon Kennedy gives Yoshi a match? Honestly, I could italicize half the words in this post and it wouldn't do the craziness justice.
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"Megaman is SFFing Yoshi..

You do know that."

Nope. I'm not sure that I believe it. I'll need full stats before I decide something like that... Maybe Mega Man is pissed and he wants another shot at Seph.
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If unadjusted Magus 2k4 = Magus 2k5, then Knuckles didn't rise significantly and Squall has actually fallen, while DMC3 hasn't done much for Dante and Vincent is more below Aeris than some would think.

I'd think he lost a couple of points against Crono.
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If you believe that Link can SFF Mega Man, you better believe that Mega Man can SFF Yoshi. Yoshi would have plenty of breathing room vs Leon.
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Accepting Magus' unadjusted value for last year would put Knuckles way too low IMO (even if you boost him).

From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/12/2005 3:22:38 AM | Message Detail | #176
I'm having a tough time envisioning Leon giving Yoshi any kind of match. In a year where Master Chief struggles with Donkey Kong, Leon Kennedy gives Yoshi a match? Honestly, I could italicize half the words in this post and it wouldn't do the craziness justice.

Exactly.

I guess Leon is one of those "Spanish Inquisition" types. Sorta like Crono was for most the first year.
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Damn, the NN have really been tearing up this contest, though. All that's left is Snake > Bowser to seal the deal (Crono > Vincent is a formality).
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"If you believe that Link can SFF Mega Man, you better believe that Mega Man can SFF Yoshi."

Yeah, "if".
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"All that's left is Snake > Bowser to seal the deal"

Thank god that won't happen.
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I once made a sig bet with TRE that Ganon wasn't actually over 31 on BL. The jury's still out on the pigman, but props to TRE 'cause I'm a believer again.

I wouldn't be too surprised to learn that Mega Man is SFFing Yoshi. Hell, that would probably mean something like that happened with Link/Mega Man.

I'm just not going to bother with any sort of projection on Mega Man and just let his match against Sonic speak for itself. Man, trying to make sense of some of this stuff can do quite a number on the brain.

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Thank god that won't happen.

I have a hard time putting Kirby over Zelda, but you're entitled to your opinion. = /
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Well, signs point to both right now. I've been a firm believer in Mega/Link SFF... it's why I have Mega Man > Crono, obviously. Heh. Lovin how Mega Man's still going up... but I think the daylight will help Yoshi get above Leon.
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Mario, Bowser, Crono, Mega Man / Mario, Crono / Mario

That's how my remaining bracket looks. Snake's performance really put a damper on that Bowser upset, but I still have some hope the Koopa King can pull that one off.

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I can't discount Mega Man/Yoshi SFF. Yoshi'd be expected to get about 64% based on previous years' data, and while he might get the day vote and make it, he might not. SFF isn't the only explanation, but it is an obvious one.

In fact, it's actually looking like Yoshi might underperform here by roughly the same 10% (relative) that Mega Man did against Link. That's circumstantial evidence, for anyone willing to go there.
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Er... maybe not above Leon, but closer.
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Damn. All Mega Man has to do now is beat Sonic and it looks like Gordon Freeman might then end up destroying the fabric of the universe next year.
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At the 35 minute mark:

Leon Kennedy: 33.75%
Yoshi: 31.39%
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I could also postulate that Gordon Freeman suffers from 'Kirby syndrome', in that he leapfrogs over the person that beats him from last year. He was more powerful than Tina in 2003, more powerful than Max Payne in 2004 (Max used Rockstar rSFF against Vercetti, OBVIOUSLY <_____<), and now he's looking to blow past Sam Fisher here in 2005. He never wins, but he keeps on learning.
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There's been a very large number of surprising results, but the "big picture" of this contest has gone pretty much as expected.

The characters' stocks have fluctuated a lot (people having/losing/regaining faith in various characters, and redoubting again), but pre-contest expectations have called the important outcomes (outside of Magus and Kirby, mostly) fairly well.


He never wins, but he keeps on learning.

More Wile E. Coyote parallels.
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What happens after he's done facing Link ten years from now? This universe won't be around forever... holy **** I better go get laid.
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Actually it also sounds kinda like a Saiyan.

Getting the crap kicked out of him only makes him stronger.

Someday Gordon might go SSJ, and destroy the world as the prophecies of various posters have stated.
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This calls for a new law.

Gordon Freeman Always Increases.
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Mega Man is about to hit 70%.
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69%?!

SLOW DOWN ANY TIME, MEGA MAN.
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This calls for a new law.

Gordon Freeman Always Increases.

You forgot the most important part, "Yet Still Loses."

GFAIYSL.

If that's not catchy, I don't know what is.

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Aside from fighting CATS, I'd want to see Gordon vs. Magus next year for some reason. >_>
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