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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 245
From: transience | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:01:28 AM | Message Detail
you're comparing Square's best year to Square's worst year when you compare 2k3 Aerith to 2k5 Tifa. Aerith's number may be bigger, but I'd bet Tifa is at least equal.
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From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:01:50 AM | Message Detail
Well, I figured it was apparent by now, but that holds Diablo constant and shoots Sonic up to 39.27% on 2004 Link.

Ah, okay. It seems a bit odd to use Diablo as a constant though, considering that his value comes from 2005's Sephiroth.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:02:30 AM | Message Detail
You want to try telling me Sonic is equal to 2003? Hmm?

You want to try telling me that Tifa is equal to Sonic 2003?
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:03:02 AM | Message Detail
Actually, HM, you have to factor in that Aeris faced Sonic in his weakest year.

Aerith's ranking in 2003 is what I used, it isn't as though she'd go UP as Sonic went up with coming years. She's at 32.81% against BL and once Sonic hits 57.27%, Tifa is brought to 35.99% against BL -- which assumes 39.27% for Sonic against 2004 Link.

I think Aeris/Tifa would be very close, unless SFF occurs.

54% is still a close match before SFF.

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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:03:10 AM | Message Detail
Sonic in all probability ain't equal to 2003, but we won't know where Tifa lies until Crono v. Sonic/MM, IMO. If she ends up considerably over Vincent/Squall, then I'd take her over Aeris. If she ends up more or less equal, or even below, I'd take Aeris without even thinking about it.

Speaking of which, how does Tifa compare against Aeris when extrapolating through Sonic 2k4?
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From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:03:48 AM | Message Detail
I was actually doing some thinking to why Sonic and Bowser sucked so much in 2003 - hell, how EVERYONE in Cloud's division sucked in 2003.

My theory is that Link overperformed on Cloud. His actual value is lower than what he got on Cloud, so Cloud is as a result underrated - and by extension, Sonic, Zero, Bowser, Yoshi, etc.

I know that this seems really random. >_>
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:04:08 AM | Message Detail
You want to try telling me that Tifa is equal to Sonic 2003?

Wait, wait there's a problem there? Why, we've seen what Tifa's capable of before, right? There's no way someone unknown and from Final Fantasy VII could be there! Please.

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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:04:37 AM | Message Detail
lol luigi beating megaman
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From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:04:40 AM | Message Detail
You want to try telling me that Tifa is equal to Sonic 2003?

I don't see the problem.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:05:02 AM | Message Detail
Yes.

. . .

Yeah, I'm finished talking to you on the matter.

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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:05:16 AM | Message Detail
Link's WW picture causes him to overperform on opponents!!! = O

...lol x-stats
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From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:06:26 AM | Message Detail
Er, it looks like this match has fallen behind Mario vs Zero >_>
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:06:41 AM | Message Detail
Does this make Bowser look good?
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:07:03 AM | Message Detail
What in the world does this have to do with BOWSER of all characters?
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From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:07:33 AM | Message Detail
Link's WW picture causes him to overperform on opponents!!! = O

There were 147000 voters in that match. Don't tell me that couldn't make the percentages a little closer than they should've been.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:07:57 AM | Message Detail
Bowser? Uh...you mean comparing with Luigi's boost, or through the KOS-MOS/Ryu relationship?
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From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:08:14 AM | Message Detail
What in the world does this have to do with BOWSER of all characters?

If Cloud was underrated, Bowser would have been underrated, too.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:08:25 AM | Message Detail
Speaking of which, how does Tifa compare against Aeris when extrapolating through Sonic 2k4?

Aerith is roughly 2% higher than Tifa, who ranks below both her and Vincent.

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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:09:25 AM | Message Detail
Cloud underrated... where the heck did you get this idea now?
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:10:04 AM | Message Detail
Bowser? Uh...you mean comparing with Luigi's boost, or through the KOS-MOS/Ryu relationship?

Both.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:10:30 AM | Message Detail
Why, we've seen what Tifa's capable of before, right?

Yeah, 54% on Luigi is ridiculously impressive. I mean, Squall only managed 60%! Yoshi only got 55%! She's a beast! Clearly knocking on the door of the Noble Nine, despite being killed by it's traditionally weakest member!
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:10:43 AM | Message Detail
Luigi's boost already looks crazy as it is, and that's based on a constant Sonic.
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From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:11:23 AM | Message Detail
Cloud underrated... where the heck did you get this idea now?

I was just wondering why Sonic and Bowser (and to an extent, Yoshi) seemed so low that year in relation to now.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:11:43 AM | Message Detail
To be fair though, Squall wouldn't do much better than Tifa against Luigi these days.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:12:43 AM | Message Detail
That's the opponents Cloud faced directly. When you consider Zero, Aeris, Master Chief, Conker and company, it's a whole other story.
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:12:53 AM | Message Detail
Another possibility is TJF not being present at Tifa/Luigi
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From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:13:02 AM | Message Detail
despite being killed by it's traditionally weakest member!

Sonic ranked above Snake in 2002 and 2004.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:13:19 AM | Message Detail
Well, Sonic certainly bounced back in 2k4, but didn't Bowser do what he was expected to do against Guybrush Threepwood? Or am I mistaken?
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:13:41 AM | Message Detail
Yeah, 54% on Luigi is ridiculously impressive.

Considering that Luigi has clearly boosted, I would say yes it is.

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From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:14:24 AM | Message Detail
That's the opponents Cloud faced directly. When you consider Zero, Aeris, Master Chief, Conker and company, it's a whole other story.

Well, Zero was fairly impressive in 2004. Aeris disappeared. Master Chief leaped. Conker is fodder, so he didn't matter. IIRC, Scorpion also rose a bit.
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From: FourthDeus | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:14:54 AM | Message Detail
Yeah, 54% on Luigi is ridiculously impressive. I mean, Squall only managed 60%! Yoshi only got 55%! She's a beast!

Yes. All characters are obviously as strong as they were in 2003.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:15:31 AM | Message Detail
Considering that Luigi has clearly boosted, I would say yes it is.

Clearly boosted he has, and if you recall I've been arguing about that forever, but he's not ~33% on BL. That's ridiculous and you know it.
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From: FourthDeus | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:16:00 AM | Message Detail
Sonic ranked above Snake in 2002 and 2004.

Pfft, in 2004 he ranked above Snake AND Mega Man.
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:16:04 AM | Message Detail
That was a bad update for Sonic.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:16:05 AM | Message Detail
Master Chief fluked, you mean. Aeris merely followed suit with KHF, and Zero didn't do any better than expected in 2004. If anything, he's gone nowhere this year, going well below expectations not once, not twice, but three times.
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From: ernest | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:17:20 AM | Message Detail
so how many stats topic will have been filled up during this contest? we seem to fill in more and more every contest
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:17:31 AM | Message Detail
Sonic just had a bad year in 2k3. Though, to be fair, his position in the X-Stats was more due to Snake and Magus having an awesome year.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:19:42 AM | Message Detail
Clearly boosted he has, and if you recall I've been arguing about that forever, but he's not ~33% on BL. That's ridiculous and you know it.

When you consider that Bowser could very well be able that and Yoshi looks to be higher than 2004 himself, that's certainly not something completely ridiculous to believe. Hell, this match isn't even over yet either. Right now, using that 39.27% for Sonic, Tifa ranks below 2004 Sonic. There's still plenty of the day vote left too.

Like I mentioned, he may not be THAT high, but Sonic is at least going to hit 37% this year. Using that would lower Tifa enough so that Luigi isn't at 33% on BL. So if you prefer to look at it like that, then go ahead. But don't even try to tell me Sonic is close to his 2004 value, or do something even more absurd and try to tell me he's at his 2003 value.

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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:20:51 AM | Message Detail
Yeah, because 35% and 36% are sooooo far apart from each other.
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Presea: The probability of that is... infinitely close to zero.
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:24:27 AM | Message Detail
Yeah, because 35% and 36% are sooooo far apart from each other.

'Twas enough to put him over Sonic. = P

Hey, it's Snake. What else do you expect from me?
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From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:25:34 AM | Message Detail
Sonic just had a bad year in 2k3. Though, to be fair, his position in the X-Stats was more due to Snake and Magus having an awesome year.

Nah, it was just one bad match against Cloud. Snake didn't have such a great year; Magus did though.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:26:19 AM | Message Detail
Random variation. Sonic was just screwed by it in 2003 and priviledged more in 2004. Unless he rises to something crazy like 39%, that's what it's going to come across to me.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:27:30 AM | Message Detail
2003 was by far Snake's best year before this year. Magus just had one great match against Link; he failed to double up Sam Fisher, and Ganondorf was really weak back then.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:46:41 AM | Message Detail
Man, Vyse is goin' to look horrible in the stats this year, especially if/when Sonic loses.


Before anybody calls me out, I'll go ahead and throw it out there: I thought Tifa was goin' to beat Sonic AND Mega Man after Tifa/Vyse. I still gave her a fighting chance after Tifa/Luigi, too...

...whoops.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:54:09 AM | Message Detail
lol linearity
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From: transience | Posted: 9/11/2005 10:56:01 AM | Message Detail
hey Harrich, I was just thinkin': do you still have those projected x-stats based on your picks this year? I'd be curious to see them now that we have a pretty good idea on everyone's strength.

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From: mr_BRIAN | Posted: 9/11/2005 11:02:02 AM | Message Detail
Nope, thats crazy, but I do believe that Sora just falls apart against elites for no reason. >_>

No, Sora just fell victim to the plan, as does everyone except Sephiroth. The Plan just has a delayed effect.

2k2 - Cloud beats Alucard and then faces Mario, losing due to PGC, SMS, and potential cheating.
2k4 - Ganondorf beats Alucard and then is revealed to be weaker than CATS.
2k5 - Sora beats Alucard and then dies horribly to Snake for no apparent reason, though Snake did have a good pic for once.
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From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 9/11/2005 11:17:39 AM | Message Detail
No, Sora just fell victim to the plan, as does everyone except Sephiroth. The Plan just has a delayed effect.

Sephiroth beats Alucard in 2003 and goes on to lose to Cloud embarrassingly in 2004.
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From: mr_BRIAN | Posted: 9/11/2005 11:19:22 AM | Message Detail
That's a bit more delayed than the other three, but it works >_>

It'll work even more if whoever comes out of the main bracket beats him :D
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From: ernest | Posted: 9/11/2005 11:19:35 AM | Message Detail
the plan may be faultless but is it alucard's MASTERPLAN?
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