I get the feeling we're going to need a few stats topics today.


*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/1

Summer 2003 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/2

Spring 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/3

Summer 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/4

Summer 2005 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/5

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27

All Time Extrapolated Standings:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/alltimexsts.htm



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

All the match pics, save for three from 2002:
http://www.sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php



*Miscellaneous*


Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

MMXcalibur's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

A List of Acronyms, A Lesson on Percentages, and Some Odd Matches:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm

Poll Vote Total Updater:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/25

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251



!yawa tsoP

The *real* one...
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

Vincent>>>>>>Squall
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Vincent's Path to Victory: Round 3 - (2)Squall

If Ulti were here, I bet he'd tell you to mark the **** out of the other topic.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

we could... it's easier to just let it die though. they can't even hyphenate correctly. :)

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Best 500 ever?

You bet your ass. The gloating will never end, especially if he pulls it to a safer margin by the end. The Vincent doubters were just plain wrong, and they deserved to lose more than 4-7 points.

Hell, not just the doubters but also the haters. Gamefaqs called, and they say you lack taste!

I admit I doubted Vincent, but the Magus > Vincent still stands.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb

Bowser > Snake
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

man how weak does magus look now?
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What a 42 carat plonker you really are~del boy only fools and horses

Weak enough to lose to Knuckles.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (0) Voters

Just as weak as when Knux beat him.

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DEVIL DIVISION BRAIN BUSTER
(1) Dante vs (4) Sarah Kerrigan/(5) Vincent Valentine

Copied from MMXcaliburs analysis site. Obviously there were a fair number of people who thought the match would be much closer than it was.
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Vincent WILL break 60% on Dante.
(Place Holder for sig bet with YoYoChamp made 3/24/05)

I had Vincent going past Crono at one point. Then I thought to myself, "Good GOD, am I overestimating Vincent!"

Then I put him to Crono. Then I thought the same thing and put Squall to Crono instead. ;_;
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

"but most of you still have Magus winning,"

Has nothing to do with it, when I made my bracket I said "I'm putting Vincent = Aeris, though I wish he were higher" and also "Hey, Magus looks wrong thanks to Tidus and Sam Fisher, but Ganon says otherwise...". combine the two and you have me rather deserving of a 4 point loss, but never a doubter.
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.

Ouch 136 lead.

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You bet your ass. The gloating will never end, especially if he pulls it to a safer margin by the end. The Vincent doubters were just plain wrong, and they deserved to lose more than 4-7 points.

Suuuuuuure. Nobody got owned harder than the FFVII marks during Round 2. Many of you were singing the tunes of "Vincent and Tifa in the Final 4!" and claiming how Tifa was the favorite against both Sonic and Mega Man. Where has all that loveliness gone?
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where _______ kicked my ass.

Best 500 ever?

Indeed. :)
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Moisten your dreams with man urine.
http://www.geocities.com/nicklegends/ - All the Legends of the Hidden Temple info you could possibly want.

Vincent ^ 23. :)
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Vincent WILL break 60% on Dante.
(Place Holder for sig bet with YoYoChamp made 3/24/05)

Up to 136 now. Good percentage increase for Vincent as well. I'm confident enough tonight that this trend will keep up. Vincent should also keep increasing his lead throughout the day.

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“What is it that is most precious to you, Cloud? I’ll enjoy stripping that from you!” – Sephiroth

this match is far from over right now. we really have no idea how the day vote is going to go.
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Well, it should be noted how many people have Vincent winning this match from our board. You can say all you want, but most of you still have Magus winning, so it's not as if you knew Vincent would be THAT strong. You had some doubts yourselves...

Ummm.... not all of us.

¬_¬

Magus is teh overrated...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I never said you were a doubter, just had to point out that people chiding the Vincent doubters didn't take him over Magus, either.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb

DEVIL DIVISION BRAIN BUSTER
(1) Dante vs (4) Sarah Kerrigan/(5) Vincent Valentine

Copied from MMXcaliburs analysis site. Obviously there were a fair number of people who thought the match would be much closer than it was.

Yes... because MMX thought so, it's obviously a fair number of people. But lets ignore the link provided to us with around 100 particpants, and less than 10 taking Kerrigan.

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well at least one FF7 representive will get knocked out tomorrow
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What a 42 carat plonker you really are~del boy only fools and horses

Suuuuuuure. Nobody got owned harder than the FFVII marks during Round 2. Many of you were singing the tunes of "Vincent and Tifa in the Final 4!" and claiming how Tifa was the favorite against both Sonic and Mega Man. Where has all that loveliness gone?


Shush. Tifa will still beat Sonic. . . ;_;

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“What is it that is most precious to you, Cloud? I’ll enjoy stripping that from you!” – Sephiroth

Magus will probably be underrated next year, which isn't that fair to him. Losing to Knuckles is bad...but Knuckes is among the perfect opponents for Magus to struggle with, with the day vote and all that jazz.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb

"Many of you were singing the tunes of "Vincent and Tifa in the Final 4!""

You people are so dense, it's humiliating to the rest of CSaD. No one, excepting Cyko, ever thought Vincent had a dencent shot of upsetting Crono. At best the most anybody ever claimed was that He'd give Crono a really good match, and half the people that said that don't even like Vincent (Slow, cn). I really wish, and I know this is too much to ask for but I did say wish, you had a clue what you were talking about.
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.

Tifa can beat Sonic if Yoshi can beat Megaman.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb

"I'm putting Vincent = Aeris, though I wish he were higher"

As did I... but I thought Dante would be a good 3% stronger than his last years number indicated, making it go down to the wire, and it's looking like he will be. So what you did was just as bad as me.

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For the record, I knew Vincent was going to win this division from the moment I saw it. Hell, I didn't even have Magus getting this far (Squall > Magus).

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“What is it that is most precious to you, Cloud? I’ll enjoy stripping that from you!” – Sephiroth

You bet your ass. The gloating will never end, especially if he pulls it to a safer margin by the end. The Vincent doubters were just plain wrong, and they deserved to lose more than 4-7 points.

Er, where is this mystical army of Vincent doubters you seem to speak of? For Kerrigan, even the people who thought she could win were confident she wouldn't do it in more than a squeaker.

Against Dante, an already powerful opponent who could likely have increased, how is it massively doubting Vincent to say that he might lose? He could have been pretty darn strong and still lost that match.

If Cloud beats Link, do you think anyone who picked Cloud to win would suddenly start jumping up and down screaming that everyone doubted Cloud? Thinking that a strong character might not be able to defeat formidable opposition is not exactly the magnitude of sin you seem to want it to be.

knowing they were going to be strong and liking them are two different things. that's like someone calling me an ass for not liking Link.
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"I never said you were a doubter, just had to point out that people chiding the Vincent doubters didn't take him over Magus, either."

And I can't blame them, but the insist that he'd lose to Squall (which he isn't going to) or even worse, DANTE, was insane. I went as conservative as I thought I could possible be on Vincent when I made my bracket, and that was Aeris=Vincent, anybody who thought less has been proven to be badly mistaken.
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.

That's a good point andaca, especially considering how Vincent-Dante was far from a blow-out.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb

If Cloud beats Link, do you think anyone who picked Cloud to win would suddenly start jumping up and down screaming that everyone doubted Cloud?

At this point with how the Nintendo increase has been touted, I'm *positive* that's exactly what would happen.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

Squall vs. Magus was the brainbuster for me... But I had been preaching that Magus was overrated due to an overperformance on Link for the longest... I thought he would barely edge by Squall though.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Nobody got owned harder than the FFVII marks during Round 2.

Master Mage.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Yes... because MMX thought so, it's obviously a fair number of people. But lets ignore the link provided to us with around 100 particpants, and less than 10 taking Kerrigan.

What, you mean the link where every single person underestimated Vincent's percentage on Kerrigan by 6.1% or more? That only strengthens our argument.
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Vincent WILL break 60% on Dante.
(Place Holder for sig bet with YoYoChamp made 3/24/05)

If Cloud beats Link, do you think anyone who picked Cloud to win would suddenly start jumping up and down screaming that everyone doubted Cloud?

I know I would. Very few people seem to be even giving Cloud a shot in that match, what with this Nintendo Boost along with the delay of Advent Children.

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“What is it that is most precious to you, Cloud? I’ll enjoy stripping that from you!” – Sephiroth

I'm willing to bet every goddamn person undershot Tifa's percentage on Vyse, as well. That's not an instance of underestimating FFVII.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

And I can't blame them, but the insist that he'd lose to Squall (which he isn't going to) or even worse, DANTE, was insane.

Vincent 54 percent
Dante 46 Percent

Apparently, it is possible to make even less sense than calling 55% a blowout.

While we're at it - everyone who doubted that Kirby would beat Tidus is clinically insane. Book it.

funny, I didn't see anyone calling for 79 or whatever percent in here, either.

this is pointless, though, and happens during every Vincent match. I can't believe that, of all characters, Vincent is the one everyone gets so riled up about.

"Er, where is this mystical army of Vincent doubters you seem to speak of?"

"Yes... because MMX thought so, it's obviously a fair number of people. But lets ignore the link provided to us with around 100 particpants, and less than 10 taking Kerrigan.

What, you mean the link where every single person underestimated Vincent's percentage on Kerrigan by 6.1% or more? That only strengthens our argument."

That answer your question any?
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.

And I can't blame them, but the insist that he'd lose to Squall (which he isn't going to) or even worse, DANTE, was insane. I went as conservative as I thought I could possible be on Vincent when I made my bracket, and that was Aeris=Vincent, anybody who thought less has been proven to be badly mistaken.

Okay... so lets look at this. I also set Aeris=Vincent. However, I said hey, DMC3 was a badass game with extremely good reviews, if the crap that was DMC2 gave him a boost, this will too, and to a point slightly above 30%. As this contest is taking shape it looks like he will be right around that 30% mark. So if that's so, why is it so INSANE to say that he would lose to Dante in an absolute squeaker. What you're saying is, it's okay that you underestimated Vincent, and overestimated Magus, but it's so terrible that I got Dante possibly dead on, and underestimated Vincent?

Wow.

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I can't believe that, of all characters, Vincent is the one everyone gets so riled up about.

We have a few choice people in this topic who are rather fanatical about him while others who tend not to care. It doesn't seem to clash well.

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“What is it that is most precious to you, Cloud? I’ll enjoy stripping that from you!” – Sephiroth

And I can't blame them, but the insist that he'd lose to Squall (which he isn't going to) or even worse, DANTE, was insane.

Well, Magus is sort of a good point to bring up here, too. Most people didn't take Vincent over Magus. Those that took Squall over Magus weren't willing to take Vincent over Magus either, in a way. It's not insane thinking, it's sort of the same as why most have Magus winning today. Basically the thinking was that whomever won Magus/Squall was winning their division, which seems to be the majority consensus.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb

Against Dante, an already powerful opponent who could likely have increased, how is it massively doubting Vincent to say that he might lose? He could have been pretty darn strong and still lost that match.

Wait, where you THERE for all of the Vincent/Dante arguments? "Vincent is just an optional character. There's no way he's as strong as Aeris. His win over Kerrigan was nothing. She's just uber fodder. Etc...." It wasn't them backing Dante as much as it was them doubting Vincent....
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I know I would. Very few people seem to be even giving Cloud a shot in that match, what with this Nintendo Boost along with the delay of Advent Children.

Who exactly thinks Cloud has no chance in that match? As far as I've noticed, while a majority of people think Link will win, no one is seriously discounting the possibility for Cloud to pull off a win.

You people are so dense, it's humiliating to the rest of CSaD. No one, excepting Cyko, ever thought Vincent had a dencent shot of upsetting Crono. At best the most anybody ever claimed was that He'd give Crono a really good match, and half the people that said that don't even like Vincent (Slow, cn). I really wish, and I know this is too much to ask for but I did say wish, you had a clue what you were talking about.

Sure, there was more talk about Tifa reaching the Final 4 than Vincent, but even if Vincent wins today, he'll have done exactly what was expected of him and nothing more (in terms of strength). He's winning one more match than most people predicted, and that's due more to a Magus implosion than anything else. What should any of us be impressed with? A FFVII character beating a FFVIII character? Never saw that one coming. Tifa beating Luigi with less than 44%? Woo-wee.

Who should we brag to? Those people delusional enough to have Kerrigan over Vincent, or maybe all three people with Luigi over Tifa? I remember when people were saying "this contest will be remembered more for Vincent and Tifa than Nintendo dominance." Ya right. Go ahead and brag. I'm sure the few people who thought this wouldn't happen are going to be crushed.
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SC2K5 Guru Contest: Where _______ kicked my ass.

ugh, Vincent arguments. I'm going to bed before this gets ugly.

night y'all.

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