I'm refusing to count out Tifa; I think Sonic's still gonna have his hands full with her.
---
Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Oh man... I wish I had my hands full with Tifa...
---
And I, Jack, the Pumpkin King, am getting so tired of the same old thing
- Jack Skellington, Nightmare Before Christmas

If Sonic is as high as his performance against Diablo states, Tifa really isn't looking good at all. It would be better for her if he was around his 2004 level.

---
“What is it that is most precious to you, Cloud? I’ll enjoy stripping that from you!” – Sephiroth

Meh, you'd still only be 6 points off if you'd picked who the stats had winning. Of course, Magus would do you in, but still. You could've figured out he was overrated using the stats and have lost only 1 point on him. Then you could've accurately figured Sora could beat Alucard since they're so close anyway. Pac-Man/Ocelot would get you as well, but you're looking at a -2 using the stats at face value. Leaderboard, baby.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Devil Division Final: (5)Vincent Valentine

Indeed, with the voter pool this year we have no idea how strong Luigi was. But in the end, I don't think Tifa has that great of a shot. I give her 2k3 Aeris tops.
---
Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

But the thing is you can't use stats for the new charaters. Couldn't have used the stats for Ness/CJ, Vincent/Kerrigan, Kratos/Alucard etc.
---
"Chief, I smell ass and it's coming from your direction." - FFMrebirth
Go, Pack, Go!

True enough, but most of us got those matches right regardless. Ness/CJ was the only slip up.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Devil Division Final: (5)Vincent Valentine

I still expect Tifa to get 47-48% on Sonic. It's probably going to be a great match pic, as long as Ceej doesn't have anything dumb like Sonic running into Tifa's fist or foot. Sonic DOES have in game positions besides him running CJayC!!!

It would be great to see him grinding down a rail from SA2:B facing towards us or something similar while Tifa is there waiting in battle stance. It can be done if he puts as much time into it as he did for the Mario pic.
---
MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I'm anxiously looking forward to the Vincent/Squall and Tifa/Sonic picture, myself.

---
“What is it that is most precious to you, Cloud? I’ll enjoy stripping that from you!” – Sephiroth

Here's hoping Squall gets an in-game KH picture and Vincent gets a DoC shot. That would own.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Devil Division Final: (5)Vincent Valentine

I can't wait till post-Crono/MC to see if I make the leaderboard.
---
"Chief, I smell ass and it's coming from your direction." - FFMrebirth
Go, Pack, Go!

Either it IS a sign of decline, or inaccurate representation in the fact that Crono is the only Noble Nine to never achieve a #1 seed in anything...ever. =(
---
"I ish the Weedle...who shall evolve to Beedrill, and kick Butterfree's arse!"

I wonder if Crono will ever get a 1 seed.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Devil Division Final: (5)Vincent Valentine

And, meh, I doubt that the Spring Contest are as valid as some are making them out to be. Ocelot lost to Pac-Man when he should have won...some of that Pac-Man being underrated and his intrinsic universal knownness, but right off the bat that's a warning sign for the SpC2k5. Then you've got Diablo, who underperformed against Sonic with a link. Sonic might have risen to Crono, and it's quite plausible, but that's a case of not rising to expectations again. Then there's Ganondorf, who underperformed on Yuna. Was it simply FFX-2, or something more? Auron has always potentially been behind SFF, so there was no way to verify him, and Samus/Ganondorf is equally sketchy as well. Then we have Bowser, who is now through the Spring making a character look near-elite that has never shown signs of approaching that level. He did crush Ryu, which gives a lot of credibility to the Spring, but it's not out of the question for Ryu to fall--I don't know who said it first, but he is NOT consistent when in one year you lose to a character 57/43 and then the next you're ranked above him in the unadjusteds.

There are too many questions, and I'm not buying anything until I see Bowser take on Snake once and for all.
---
Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

Oh, but I do consider the SpC2k5 rankings helpful, much more so than our older ones. I just think that they're going to be off in many instances because the vote totals for the SC2k5 are so much higher.
---
Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

Here's hoping Squall gets an in-game KH picture and Vincent gets a DoC shot. That would own.

I'd actually like Squall coming down on Vincent with a KH-style Rough Divide (when he yells "It's over" and jump slashes Sora). Add a Dirge of Cerberus Vincent in battle stance or dodging and you would have the perfect match pic! Doubt it will happen though.
---
MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Come on now, I wouldn't put much stock on Sonic overperforming on Diablo. Diablo may have some strength, but he still is just Diablo. People may vote for him over midcarders like Kefka, but I believe he folds nonlinearly against a favorite. The more popular the character, the more I think Diablo would fold. Put him up against Cloud or Link and I think he gets raped even worse.
---
MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I don't know who said it first, but he is NOT consistent when in one year you lose to a character 57/43 and then the next you're ranked above him in the unadjusteds.

Blame Snake for sucking it up, not Ryu. =P For the record, I fully expected that Snake would be underrated in last years stats and he would bounce back somewhat. I looked more at how he directly performed against Knuckles and Mega Man rather than his final ranking in the stats, which I already looked at as suspect.
---
MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Geez, Bowser's percentage hasn't budged for 25 minutes, and it's changed all of .05% in the last three hours.
---
For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

Yes, but why would Diablo fold so much worse at the hands of Sonic? By then I'd think if you're going to vote Diablo over Ganondorf, that shows a genuine like of a character over another. I can't see so many more voting him over Sonic without some legitimate strength to Sonic.

Either that, or as I suggested, the higher votals comprise a lot of people who don't know or care about Diablo and others from the Spring (Ocelot), and so he does worse. I think now that Ocelot might have beaten Pac-Man with SpC2k5 votals.
---
Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

Based off of a steady Diablo, Vyse, and Sephiroth ('cuz I don't know where the majority of us agreed he's at now), Tifa beats Sonic with 51.93%. Now, we should keep in mind that the new voting shift has likely affected Sephiroth and possibly Vyse, and we should also keep in mind Diablo got linkage against Sonic (unlike his match against Ganon).

As for Luigi, based off of a steady KOS-MOS, Luigi would get 33.24% on Link 2k4; keep in mind Sonic 2k4 is expected to get 33.56% on Link 2k3 and KOS-MOS had a new game, as well as Tifa got 53.36% on Luigi this year. This allows Tifa to get 52.93% on Sonic 2k4 and 45.39% on Sonic-through-Diablo.

I used some selective stats, granted (I didn't consider if Luigi was steady from 2k4 to 2k5 or if Sephiroth dropped more, for example), but I'm not buying Sonic having an easy way out of his match against Tifa yet, not at all. There's still a good case to be made for her.



Sonic-through-Diablo - 39.25% on Link 2k4
Tifa-through-Vyse - 40.86% on Link 2k4
Luigi-through-KOS-MOS - 33.24% on Link 2k4
Sonic 2k4 - 33.56% on Link 2k4
Tifa-through-Luigi-through-KOS-MOS - 35.63% on Link 2k4
---
Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Snake sucking it up is surely a big factor, but Ryu also got 45% on Sonic. That's not exactly anything to sneeze at.
---
Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

I understand some of that, but where it falters is that I can't see Luigi virtually equal to Sonic 2k4. Call it bias, but I just can't.
---
Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

I understand and respect bein' skeptical about Luigi = Sonic (I am too), but I'm just short of convinced that Luigi's not far away either.
---
Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Come on now, I wouldn't put much stock on Sonic overperforming on Diablo.

I find that it could very well be Sonic's legitimate strength, as opposed to something to blame on Diablo. I've never really bought into the idea of a character "collapsing" against an elite character. Sonic's performance puts him within a reasonable area given how the contest has gone thus far.

---
“What is it that is most precious to you, Cloud? I’ll enjoy stripping that from you!” – Sephiroth

So I filled out one of those feedback forms and asked for the polls to go back to 15 minute updates, for several reasons. Check out the response I got:

Message From GameFAQs at 2005-09-08 03:43:22
Why not just check it every third update? :)

CJayC is a funny guy.

~*ST*~
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, Mario 64 DS, Advance Wars, Grim Fandango

we should also keep in mind Diablo got linkage against Sonic (unlike his match against Ganon).

That's nothing to note.

---
“What is it that is most precious to you, Cloud? I’ll enjoy stripping that from you!” – Sephiroth

Good deal. It'd be awful if he actually decided to consider 15 minute updates.

---
“What is it that is most precious to you, Cloud? I’ll enjoy stripping that from you!” – Sephiroth

That's the same response Heroic Mario gave you in this thread.

It really is silly to ask for 15 minute updates. Quite pointless.
---
www.SC2K5.com
www.sc2k5.com/gallery

The hell?! I actually got Heroic Mario to argue against me for Sonic???

REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY'D

Seriously, I'd be all for it being all Sonic. And you know this, man.
---
MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

:(

~*ST*~
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, Mario 64 DS, Advance Wars, Grim Fandango

Message From GameFAQs at 2005-09-08 03:43:22
Why not just check it every third update? :)

Funny, I think that's what we said too.


That's nothing to note.

Agree to disagree in general, though I'll agree with ya on this case solely 'cuz the link wasn't up all that long.
---
Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Well, since Tifa's chances against Sonic don't look as great anymore, it's only natural that he'd want Sonic to look as powerful as possible to bring her up. <_<
---
Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

The hell?! I actually got Heroic Mario to argue against me for Sonic???

Not to say that it is the truth or anything, I just would say that it remains likely given how the contest has gone. It doesn't strike me as unreasonable to believe Sonic's strength was quite legitimate in that match.

Then again, I think it's better for me to try to get Sonic as close to his 2004 value as possible. :)

---
“What is it that is most precious to you, Cloud? I’ll enjoy stripping that from you!” – Sephiroth

Well, since Tifa's chances against Sonic don't look as great anymore, it's only natural that he'd want Sonic to look as powerful as possible to bring her up.

...Sonic for the championship! <.<

---
“What is it that is most precious to you, Cloud? I’ll enjoy stripping that from you!” – Sephiroth

So...Kirby or Vincent, who do you pick?
---
Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

This match doesn't have enough gas in the tank to make it to Yoshi/Pac-Man. It'll be the bottom feeder of the touney so far.
---
Go ahead ********! Fire away! I've got a big turkey dinner here that says you don't have enough bullets to take down my hungry ***! ~ MG2 Run

If you think Squall>Vincent, then you should think Kirby>Vincent. But I just couldn't see Vincent losing to Kirby...
---
"Chief, I smell ass and it's coming from your direction." - FFMrebirth
Go, Pack, Go!

Let me go ahead and call 61.35% calling for Bowser winning the division.

As for Crono/Master Chief, Crono makes MC look worse than Vercetti initially until Master Chief makes himself look respectable during the day with a heavy day vote and such a large gap between him and Crono allowing him to increase percentage rather easily. Let's say he will go from around 29-30% to 35ish range.
---
MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I'm giving Bowser 54.75% of the brackets.

I'm also saying MC won't finish with over 31% tomorrow, and will probably be closer to 30%.
---
Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

I just got to lookin'...heh, therealmnm, do you think only 2.69% of all brackets will take Kirby, Cecil, Tidus, or KoaC to win the division?
---
Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Something tells me that Master Chief may get beat really bad since this is by far his strongest opponent, while something else says that DK increased from the Nintendo boost so Master Chief may not look so bad against Crono.
---
MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Dibs on Bowser with 32.87%.
---
thesqueal.com

I want to believe MC won't do bad, but DK 2k3 and Face-CATS predict him to be at his 2k3 level, and it doesn't help that Frog and Liquid Snake have been shamed this year too.
---
Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Eh... I looked at the 71% from the next match. Lower that a bit. I still think Bowser has over 50% of the brackets with him taking the division. <_<
---
MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Bowser with 42.69% of the brackets.
---
"Chief, I smell ass and it's coming from your direction." - FFMrebirth
Go, Pack, Go!

Bowser with around 32.33%, repeating of course.
---
BertTheOne | Can't hurt this Bert
Nominate Jay Solano for SC2K6!

I'm thinking about 40%.

Master Chief will break 40%, watch! (I actually meant Bowser's support, though)
---
Master Chief's path to the championship: Round 3: (2) Crono.
Halo 2 + 7 vote loss vs Frog = 7 vote win vs Crono

38.18% for the Koopa King to escape his division.
---
Go ahead ********! Fire away! I've got a big turkey dinner here that says you don't have enough bullets to take down my hungry ***! ~ MG2 Run