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Contest Stats & Discussion - Part 239
From: transience | Posted: 9/9/2005 3:40:33 PM | Message Detail
I'm withholding judgment until their third round match.. but if Sonic beats Tifa worse than MM beats Yoshi, it's over. I don't think this will happen, but if it does..
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From: Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted: 9/9/2005 3:41:56 PM | Message Detail
Master Chief going for 37%.

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From: DragoonsKill91 | Posted: 9/9/2005 3:42:02 PM | Message Detail
Sonic megaman is still very much up in the air simply because we have no idea how strong diablo was this year, or, hwo strong leon is (i.e. if GF could actually look GOOD)
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/9/2005 3:49:51 PM | Message Detail
MC came within 13 a few updates ago. That's incredible.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!
From: Janus5000 | Posted: 9/9/2005 3:51:05 PM | Message Detail
And MC goes over 37%.
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From: Super Luigi | Posted: 9/9/2005 3:52:21 PM | Message Detail
Im convinced, Snake > Crono this year.
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From: jetaudio77 | Posted: 9/9/2005 3:54:25 PM | Message Detail
MC is easily one of the most confusing characters in these contests.
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 9/9/2005 3:57:16 PM | Message Detail
MC is no Sephiroth...
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
MC vs. Crono - Bracket: Crono - Vote: MC (72/80)
From: sidharta | Posted: 9/9/2005 3:58:02 PM | Message Detail
Crono is performing like **** right now.

He can't even double someone who struggled against ****ing DK!

Anyone who has Crono as your battle champ can kiss your bracket good bye right now...

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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:00:17 PM | Message Detail
Heh, the only thing that gave me faith in Snake to get by Bowser other than bias at the beginning of the bracket was that Bowser's performance was on unreliable ol' Sephy. ^_^
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From: creativename | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:02:33 PM | Message Detail
Not cracking 63% on Master Chief is bad news for Crono. Even considering that I think this is "peak" Master Chief, due to the picture.

Crono certainly has to be considered the underdog against Mario now, and a large underdog against Samus. And Sonic/Crono is not obvious anymore (and maybe this makes Mega Man look not as bad anymore; note that I wouldn't be surprised to see Mega Man's stock make a comeback next round).

Note that I still don't think Snake would be favored against Crono. I think Sora should be able to beat MC, but remember that Snake had the huge pic advantage (with the most beloved picture ever), whereas Crono suffered from it.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:04:37 PM | Message Detail
Crono is suffering from the pic here? I dunno about that...

I doubt Snake's chances against Crono, though I think he has a shot if you put Crono in Sora's position for his last match picture.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!
From: Keno316 | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:06:09 PM | Message Detail
I wonder when MC's rush will seize...
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*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*
From: LuniNutz99 | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:07:36 PM | Message Detail
To the person who asked what my ToC was...

Link
Sephiroth

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From: FFaddict1313 | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:07:36 PM | Message Detail
From: Keno316 | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:06:09 PM | #463
I wonder when MC's rush will seize...
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*


Hoefully soon.
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:08:25 PM | Message Detail
When did MC get his biggest lead against Frog?
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From: Mister Mario | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:11:35 PM | Message Detail
Mario 62.86% 67452
Zero 37.14% 39856
TOTAL VOTES 107308

Master Chief 37.16% 26370
Crono 62.84% 44586
TOTAL VOTES 70956

Zing.

ZOMG LOOK AT 2004 MARIO HAS NO CHANCE OF WINNING.

Bastards!!
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Mario is Winnar
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From: creativename | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:12:15 PM | Message Detail
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/9/2005 7:04:37 PM | Message Detail | #462
Crono is suffering from the pic here? I dunno about that...


Crono's pic is fine, but obviously Master Chief clearly has the best picture he's ever gotten. This was noted before the match, and plenty of people including myself expected him to due better than otherwise because of it (though not to this extent, which is why Crono does look bad).

Talking in speculative terms, I believe that Master Chief's weakest large fanbase region would be the fantasy/RPG fanbase, and him having a laser sword here would help his appeal with that fanbase.


I doubt Snake's chances against Crono, though I think he has a shot if you put Crono in Sora's position for his last match picture.

Exactly. Given that picture, I think most might actually take Snake. Whereas normally most would take Crono.
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From: LuniNutz99 | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:14:00 PM | Message Detail
It looked like MC stopped gaining around 7pm or 3 hours from now.

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From: Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:15:03 PM | Message Detail
Wow. Mario did about the same on Zero that Crono is doing on Master Chief. I would take Zero over Master Chief by a long shot. This isn't looking good for Crono.

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From: SonicRaptor | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:17:32 PM | Message Detail
Holy hell, MC is up to 38% now from the 35% I saw 3-4 hours ago.
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From: Keno316 | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:17:35 PM | Message Detail
Oh, Crono's chances of winning are unlikely now, I just hope he can just give a decent match in the finals, which I'm sure he will...
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"Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB
*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*
From: bigkevinm84 | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:20:28 PM | Message Detail
Wow. Mario did about the same on Zero that Crono is doing on Master Chief. I would take Zero over Master Chief by a long shot. This isn't looking good for Crono.

Yep. As Mister Mario said... Zing!
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From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:21:41 PM | Message Detail
Crono and Mega Man will be the two weakest Noble Nine members this year. Book it.
From: Lopen | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:22:00 PM | Message Detail
Don't count Crono out yet. Master Chief just has legitimate strength, that's all.

And WHY couldn't Master Chief get 14 more votes... why? :(
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Master Chief's path to the championship: Round 3: (2) Crono.
Halo 2 + 7 vote loss vs Frog = 7 vote win vs Crono
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:23:42 PM | Message Detail
Match 54: (5) Vincent Valentine vs. (2) Squall Leonhart

Past Performances

Vincent Valentine

Summer 2005
Beat Sarah Kerrigan, 79.00% - 21.00%
Beat Dante Sparda, 54.00% - 46.00%

Win - Lose Record
2-0

Squall Leonhart

Summer 2005
Beat Geno, 74.84% - 25.16%
Beat Knuckles the Echidna, 53.80% - 46.20%

Win - Lose Record
6-3

Analysis

This is the match of the round. It may not be close, but the problem is the board really doesn’t have much of a favorite. Heck at the start of writing this I don’t know who I will choose to win. I’ll probably make the choice as I closely analysis the match.

Dante may have lost, but he showed people that Vincent doesn’t belong with the elite characters, scoring at the exact hundredth of a percent as Kerrigan. Funny thing is that Squall is expected to get around the same thing. Squall on the other hand defeated Mag... err Knuckles and again Knuckles put up great numbers, but this time he ended up losing.

Squall hasn’t really got much of a number since 2k3. He could’ve gain or fall since that time and his match with Knuckles wasn’t what he wanted. Knuckles could’ve easily gained, but Squall could’ve easily dropped. Then again Magus is pretty close to Tidus and using that Squall is very close to his 2k3 numbers. There isn’t really much proof except for Sephiroth (XD) and maybe Tidus, but since Kingdom Hearts has been out for a while Squall could start to fall like they did, but I wouldn’t be surprised is that was not the case.

Vincent is a new character and the only old character in his 4-pack is Dante. Using constant Dante Vincent is very close to Squall’s numbers. Since last year though Dante has had Devil May Cry 3, but out of the three games this is his worst seller. Like I said last round DMC3 would probably only help Dante minimally, I may be wrong though. There’s also the possibility of Vincent SFF Squall because he’s from FFVII. Just because Vincent is from a popular game doesn’t mean that he’ll gain SFF to beat Squall even though he’s legitimately weaker then him. If Vincent does SFF Squall it will be because he’s stronger than him and vice versa.

Weird this is almost the end of my analysis and I still don’t know who’ll the winner will be. Both characters should lose to Crono next round though and my bracket has Magus winning so that doesn’t help. I think it’ll come down to who you think is stronger Dante or Knuckles? That’s another close match, but I’ll probably end up taking Knuckles because I like him better, so Squall it is.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Janus “Magus” Zeal over Dante Sparda (stop looking at me)

charmander6000’s Prediction: Squall wins, 50.00% - 50.00% (Frog/MC all over again)

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From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:25:16 PM | Message Detail
I think it's quite obvious what's happened here. DK has benefitted from the nintendo boost, which made it look like halo 2 did nothing, even though it did. Simple enough, and expected. Well I know someone expected it, and even mentioned it in these topics, but I can't remember who. slowflake maybe?
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:27:26 PM | Message Detail
Hmmm...Anyone else notice that the Spring Contest characters seem to be underperforming a bit now? Crono looked to be fairly stable based off of Vercetti through Spring Kefka, and then this happens. Diablo underperformed against Sonic, and then Ganondorf underperformed by the same amount against Samus, another common hedgehog opponent. Bowser didn't look nearly as impressive as he needed to be against Kirby. Ocelot bombed against Pac-Man.

Not saying that this is the case, but they're certainly underwhelming at this point. Bowser's destruction of Ryu and possibly Ganondorf's win over Auron are the only ones that really looks impressive.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Devil Division Final: (5)Vincent Valentine
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:33:02 PM | Message Detail
Like I said, I think the Sp2k5 numbers are *more* accurate than our older data, but I think the higher votals have thrown them off. I think Ocelot has a much better shot at Pac with lower votes. I think Diablo does better on Sonic. And so forth.
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From: Lopen | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:33:34 PM | Message Detail
I'm still not buying that they're not overrated. Ryu/Bowser is really weird, but that's the only one. Bowser > Mario vs Sephiroth is just too much for me to believe.

I've never not thrown out the villain contest stats. They're still trash to me. Heh.
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Master Chief's path to the championship: Round 3: (2) Crono.
Halo 2 + 7 vote loss vs Frog = 7 vote win vs Crono
From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:34:04 PM | Message Detail
We figured Crono's chances against Samus were around the 0% area, but he's not looking very good against Mario now, either. The only way this performance can be deemed impressive is if Halo 2 kept Master Chief near his 2004 adjusted ranking, a thought so crazy I'm practically laughing as I type this. And of course, if that is somehow the case, Donkey Kong's boost makes the apparent increases his Nintendo brethren received look like crap. At best, this is a mild disappointment for Crono.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:35:22 PM | Message Detail
lol spring x-stats

Couldn't resist.

Now, damn... when I left, Crono was still over 65% at least. This is a ****ing hemorragy, and he makes it look like he can actually blow his free pass to the finals to either Megaman or Sonic. And in addition to that, Tuesday's winner seems to get more and more locked down for being booked in the Clash of the Paper Champions against Sephiroth.
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From: SonicRaptor | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:36:03 PM | Message Detail
Crono I think will beat the winner of Squall/Vincent, then beat Mega Man before losing in the finals. It seems pretty likely but he will NOT win this whole thing (which I never though he would).
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From: Keno316 | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:40:29 PM | Message Detail
Crono I think will beat the winner of Squall/Vincent, then beat Mega Man before losing in the finals. It seems pretty likely but he will NOT win this whole thing (which I never though he would).

Oh, that much I figured...Crono getting to the finals was always likely for me. It was the winning part that was rough...
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From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:40:45 PM | Message Detail
Crono isn't winning the finals, but he hasn't dropped either. Is MC impressing really that surprising to everyone? I mean, I know he bombed on DK, but the idea of halo 2 doing next to nothing is almost laughable.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:41:56 PM | Message Detail
I thought it was a consensus that 2k3 Sephiroth =/= 2k5 Sephiroth. So what if the villains contest doesn't line up with the beloved 2k3 stats? It still was a popularity contest. The rules still said as such. It wasn't called Best.Villain.Ever. or anything....

And Ganondorf still has to be given the benefit of the doubt for potential SFF. You can't say they DON'T share the same fanbase when they obviously do. Just because there wasn't apparently extreme SFF doesn't mean that there wasn't any at all. He still did better than I expected him to do against Samus... I wouldn't try to pin anything about that performance on the Villains contest being skewed.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:42:03 PM | Message Detail
But as has been said, for Crono to be impressing here DK's jump makes all the other Nintendo increases look like crap.
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From: Mister Mario | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:42:19 PM | Message Detail
I doubt that Master Chief, even with this possible increase, is stronger than Zero.

<3 Mario

ZingZingZingZingZing!!!
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Next victim: Mistress Aran
From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:45:07 PM | Message Detail
But as has been said, for Crono to be impressing here DK's jump makes all the other Nintendo increases look like crap.

Where does a static crono put mc on bl if he finishes at 38%? I'm guessing the rise from 2k3 really isn't that ridiculously huge, and dk's as well if you use his 2k3 numbers.
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From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:46:19 PM | Message Detail
I can easily see Halo 2 doing nothing for Master Chief. Every single Halo fan I know felt the game was a HUGE dissapointment after they beat it. I think MC might of been strongest last year because of Halo 2 hype.
From: LuniNutz99 | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:51:16 PM | Message Detail
Master Chief is probably the same strength that he was before. It's just that he is odd in these contests. He'll underperform against those weaker than him and overperform against those that are stronger. Anti-votes and a dedicated fanbase really make for interesting and unpredictable matches. Don't worry about Crono. He's fine and he's still making the finals. He's not going to win against either Samus or Mario, but he will make it to them.

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From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:51:30 PM | Message Detail
I can easily see Halo 2 doing nothing for Master Chief. Every single Halo fan I know felt the game was a HUGE dissapointment after they beat it. I think MC might of been strongest last year because of Halo 2 hype.

Y Halo thar online multiplayer? And it wasn't Halo 2 single player that was a dissapointment... it was the cliff hanger ending that had people disappointed. Plus there were people that didn't like the fact that you had to split time playing as Arbiter as well. I actually enjoyed the single player of Halo 2 much more, as it was more story oriented, and the environments were much more vibrant... It just started out very slowly.
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From: LuniNutz99 | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:58:10 PM | Message Detail
Holy God nobody posts in these once they get close to 500... lol

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From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/9/2005 4:59:34 PM | Message Detail
Because we're all... waiting for 500 <_<
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/9/2005 5:00:46 PM | Message Detail
Yup there's no stopping those people.
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From: Sir Bormun | Posted: 9/9/2005 5:01:13 PM | Message Detail
Wonder what the inequality of the day will be.
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I can't think of anything to put here, but I can't just leave it blank, can I?
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/9/2005 5:01:37 PM | Message Detail
Inequalities > Equalities
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From: XxBilly2xX | Posted: 9/9/2005 5:01:47 PM | Message Detail
Sonic > Crono
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/9/2005 5:01:54 PM | Message Detail
Magus > Master Chief
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/9/2005 5:01:58 PM | Message Detail
Mario < My wonderfully gigantic wang.
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