It doesn't erase the possibility that Zelda > Ryu NOW

Right, but even if they were equal, Bowser still beat Ryu worse. I'm not going to say this isn't impressive by Snake, because it sure as hell is, but Bowser still crushed Ryu worse than he'd ever been crushed before.
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That one's even easier. Auron beats Kirby.
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Bowser has to really impress tomorrow if he wants to show he has any chance of beating Snake.
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hm, I'm rather stuck on Kirby/Sora. Sora did mess up Alucard, so you've got to assume that both Alucard dropped off the map and that Kirby increased significantly.

on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

but yeah, Auron would win that fourpack.
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It doesn't erase the possibility that Zelda > Ryu NOW

Right, but even if they were equal, Bowser still beat Ryu worse. I'm not going to say this isn't impressive by Snake, because it sure as hell is, but Bowser still crushed Ryu worse than he'd ever been crushed before.

I see your point, but SS/Zelda did draw 16k+ more votes. That helps Snake's case a bit even if they were equal.

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It was less than 2% more than what Snake did in 2003, so he's within reaching distance if Snake's around that level or Ryu has dropped.
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I don't think tomorrow's match will give us any insight on Snake/Bowser. SFF is genuinely expected, but the board will be split regardless of the result. Hell, Samus couldn't even 60/40 Ganondorf and many are still calling her the favorite against Mario.
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And NOW Snake has lost the doubling.
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yeah, bowser better crush kirby tomorrow....super crush him....
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Either Ryu>Sora or Auron>Sora.
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The samus defense is legitimate, I guess, because people can just say there was no sff, and weaker mario won't be able to sff stronger samus. Samus could just be that strong without sff (something I find questionable to argue in a nintendo/nintendo match) and is still on pace to beat Mario.

I would rather have had Mario's performance than Samus'.
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I really don't think Bowser stands a chance after today's match.
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Bowser has to really impress tomorrow if he wants to show he has any chance of beating Snake.

I disagree. I think we've seen enough from both of them. They've not only shown strength, but shown strength against top mid-carder/near-elites. With slight SFF questions surrounding tommorow match, adding the fact that Ryu and Kirby can't be too far off, we really don't need to see much more.

In fact, I'd rather see the Bowser/Snake pic than the Bowser/Kirby match.

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Don't expect to see a Snake sprite next round. His recent ventures have involved using "home field advantage," and you really can't do that between division winners with consistency.
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Even with a decent night vote, I don't think Snake can regain the doubling. It's all about whether he can outdo Samus's performance now.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/br52.jpg

looks like instead of Bowser vs. Kirby, we get Bowser vs. Ice Climbers.......... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum05/br53.jpg

meh. Crono looks too much like a palm tree with a sword in that pic.

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damn, Sora is doing a good job of eating at Snake's lead. at this rate, he'll be under Samus's performance in an hour or two.
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er, at his percentage. you know what I mean.
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Sora is destroying Snake's percentage, and Snake isn't going to get the night vote either. Pretty good.

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I think Snake has a good shot of gaining percentage back in the last few hours. He did just that against both Manny and Zelda.
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Match 52: (1) Kirby vs. (3) Bowser

Past Performances

Kirby

Summer 2005
Beat Cecil Harvey, 75.21% - 24.79%
Beat Tidus, 57.65% - 42.35%

Win - Lose Record
5-3

Bowser

Summer 2005
Beat Chun Li, 65.90% - 34.10%
Beat Ryu Hoshi, 58.98% - 41.02%

Win - Lose Record
8-3

Analysis

I would kill both of these characters for ruining my bracket, but since I really like both of them I won’t. This is also the second Nintendo vs. Nintendo match this round and both of these characters are considered non-noble 9. Bowser should take it, but can Kirby make this interesting?

Remember when I said that Tidus had to put up Squall-like numbers in order to be considering a threat against Ryu/Bowser, well Kirby pulled off those numbers. Though after Magus’ bombed and the percent being not that far off from unadjusted Tidus (he could’ve easily gained the rest from his new game) Kirby’s performance doesn’t look as great anymore. Kirby’s performance also doesn’t look that great after the huge beating Bowser did to Ryu. Though after KOS-MOS’ match against Luigi, some would think Ryu should’ve been that weak or else Luigi would be stronger than Bowser (Bowser > Yoshi > Luigi remember?).

If there was no SFF in this match, Kirby would easily broke 40%, but I don’t think Kirby has fans that would easily abandon him, but I wouldn’t know that since this is Kirby’s first all-Nintendo match. Bowser in the other hand has had three. He easily SFF Ness, as for Yoshi we don’t really know since we haven’t got much of a good reading, but it’s been said that there was minimal and Bowser got SFF by Mario who is obviously stronger than Bowser. I would compare Kirby to Yoshi, but it’s your call.

Most people are only using this match to determine on what will happen on Snake vs. Bowser next round. No matter what happens during this match it will mean nothing. We don’t know if this was Bowser’s true strength or just plain SFF. Even if he gets 80% I won’t justify it was his strength, but it will look impressive. Sonic vs. Tifa will tell you more then this match will.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Tidus over Ryu Hoshi (DAM IT!!!)

charmander6000’s Prediction: Bowser wins, 57.92% - 42.08%

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Sora is destroying Snake's percentage, and Snake isn't going to get the night vote either. Pretty good.

Your bias has got to be as wide as a trailer truck for you to even suggest that.
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Your bias has got to be as wide as a trailer truck for you to even suggest that.

Oh, like yours isn't the size of a jet plane.
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So who's the weakest of the Noble Nine now?

I think it'll be Mega Man.
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Anything thinking that Snake would beat Megaman is off their rocker. Snake is Megaman's punching bag.

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Oh, like yours isn't the size of a jet plane.

I'd make a quip about that coming from you, but the point is that I don't let my bias interfere with my analysis. I'm not going to say something like Snake's going to win the day vote against characters much more powerful with it, because that would be ridiculous. Suggesting that Snake isn't going to make any headway with the night vote when all the evidence points to the contrary is equally ridiculous.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

And I think anyone that thinks LEON would beat Sora is off their rocker.

Right now in the contest, I'll also have to go with Mega Man. I just CAN'T see GF getting that big of an increase from Half-Life 2, and I'll need to see MM in action against sturdy competition to allay my fears that he's fallen from grace.
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You think Leon is stronger then Sora, Brett?

Yeah, I know. But it is the size of a jet plane. An annoying jet plane.
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I've been away for a few days and still need to catch up, but I'm disappointed by how badly Sora is doing, but at least there's an awesome picture.
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Possibly. In case you haven't noticed, this contest has shot the X-stats to hell and back.

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Question: If Mega Man is stronger than Snake, is Gordon Freeman stronger than Alucard?
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Also, Snake's power in this match also have to do with the pic.

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Too many people know one of the characters for there to be a pic advantage.
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From: Brett with Atreyu | Posted: 9/7/2005 3:37:39 PM | Message Detail
Also, Snake's power in this match also have to do with the pic.

So a pic makes an 8-10% difference?
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Except for a couple of sporadic updates, Snake has been pulling in like 59-63% of the vote for the last couple of hours.
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Too many people know one of the characters for there to be a pic advantage.

Again, how well known a character is has no effect on whether or not a picture can make a difference. Many people may KNOW Sora and Snake, but aren't huge fans of or are indifferent to both. Seeing that pic would probably make them want to vote for Snake. Like it's been said before, voters are not robots, and should not be expected to vote in the exact same manner at any given time.
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well, at the rate of percentage that Sora is gaining, at least he will beat his performance against Samus, so you Snake fanboys can stop all of that "Snake > Samus" nonsense. and regardless of how Snake is stacking up against last year's performance (most likely due to MGS3), don't forget about how much it looks like Nintendo has boosted. with the possibility of SFF in tomorrow's match, we really won't learn much about Bowser's chances at dethroning the Noble Nine.

Bowser's chances at Snake really depend on how much higher than Zelda you think he is. personally, i think he could take Zelda, but i doubt it would be much more than 52-53%. therefore, i think that Snake will still beat Bowser in a close match with about 52-53%.

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Another update or three and Snake will be pulling in less percentage than Samus, and then we'll see how much he can rebound with the night vote.

Still, a very *WOW* performance from Snake here.
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Still a fantastic job by Snake, but it's looking like he won't beat Sora quite as badly as Samus did.
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Again, how well known a character is has no effect on whether or not a picture can make a difference. Many people may KNOW Sora and Snake, but aren't huge fans of or are indifferent to both. Seeing that pic would probably make them want to vote for Snake. Like it's been said before, voters are not robots, and should not be expected to vote in the exact same manner at any given time.

I give the pic factor no more than a 5% swing, unless it's a match between two fodders.
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The percentage has been jumping around a bit, a few hours ago it was 66%, then 67% now 65%. Looks like Snake is going to hold on to a doubling, though.
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Snake still has a chance to win the main bracket if Mario rSFFs Samus...don't you go trying to tell me different, now!
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

Huh? Snake's lost the doubling for some time, hasn't he? I think he just slipped under Samus' percentage.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

If Mario wins it will because he's stronger than Samus.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

Mario/Samus vs. Snake would be interesting to see...I'd have to go with the former though.
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We'll wait and see how much Snake can gain from the night vote.

Very fine performance by Snake.
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But 5% is not an insignificant number. It might have a fairly big effect on where a character truly ranks on the totem pole.

you know, I just realized that if you used Snake/Frog, Frog/Riku and Snake/Sora that you can easily say Riku > Sora. obviously it's poor analysis, but it's funny nonetheless.
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