This has now surpassed Knuckles vs Magus as my favorite match this contest. And I like Sora a good deal, too.
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Squall > The Devil Division

Are people making those arguments seriously? >_>

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=23388727

Yeeeeeeeeep.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Sora finally stopped his percentage bleeding, but geez. I can think of only a few explanations.

1. Alucard is now around 22%, which given that he has consistently finished around 29% in every contest, seems somewhat ludicrous. Of course, that assumes Ganondorf stayed consistant from 2k3 to 2k4, which we can't [i]know[/i] because of Link's SFF beatdown.

2. Snake is now stronger than Samus and would give Sephiroth a run for his money. And that's just assuming Sora stayed constant from 2k4. I find this equally hard to believe.

3. Pic Factor. Anyone would admit that the pic is more or less in Snake's favor, but I'm not sure that could give him this big a jump.

4. Snake is SFFing Sora. Unlikely, yes, but it fits all the data we have. This match looks a hell of a lot like Aeris-Sora, and given Sora's apparent strength increase from 2k4 to 2k5 through Alucard, the relative strength of Aeris and Snake against Sora would be just about equal. If you assume that there is a "PlayStation" voting demographic, that would swing heavily in Snake's favor in this match, the numbers make sense.

And before you ask why it hasn't shown up before, the only people Snake has previously faced who are primarily known for games on the Playstation and PS2 are: Raiden, Tanner, Squall, and Aeris. Of those, Aeris is the only one Snake DIDN'T get atleast 65% on, and IMO, that's because nothing can SFF FFVII on GameFAQS. This would also go a long way toward explaining how the hell Squall got so much stronger from 2k2 to 2k3, which KH Factor has always gotten all of the credit for in the past. This doesn't necessarily change that, but it would go some distance in explaining why his increase seemed so much bigger than Cloud and Sephiroth's.

(Incidentally, I'm aware that DRIV3R came out on X-Box as well, but my understanding is that it sold the vast majority of copies on the Playstation 2. Besides, it's not like coming out on X-Box is going to help Tanner on GameFAQs.)
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Vincent WILL break 60% on Dante.
(Place Holder for sig bet with YoYoChamp made 3/24/05)

Nah, Magus/Knuckles is still infinitely better than this, but that's only because Magus/Knuckles infinitely rules.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

I wonder if Snake has gotten Sora's dog tag yet. Speaking of which, what do you think it might say? I'd write one up, but I forgot the format of it from MGS2.
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Moisten your dreams with man urine.
http://www.geocities.com/nicklegends/ - All the Legends of the Hidden Temple info you could possibly want.

Snake/Tanner SFF???? Tanner is actually a mid-carder and can really beat Gorden Freeman! Yeah! *falls down 3 flights of stairs*
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Let's not get overboard with Tanner now, heh...but, I'd seriously take Tanner over Serious Sam, and maybe a lil' higher...maybe.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Alucard dropping would be more believable then Snake gaining one of the biggest increases of any character ever for no reason. MGS3 would not do that. Especially considering how little it sold.

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Can't think of a good sig.

No, but MGS3 and these higher vote totals might be reason enough. *shrugs* Hard to tell though.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Snake/Tanner SFF???? Tanner is actually a mid-carder and can really beat Gorden Freeman! Yeah! *falls down 3 flights of stairs*

...No, but what it would mean is that Tanner is just garden variety fodder instead of ultra fodder.
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Vincent WILL break 60% on Dante.
(Place Holder for sig bet with YoYoChamp made 3/24/05)

I regret having ever clicked on that link. I think I somehow became stupider just by reading it. -_-

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<_<

I'd actually buy Snake/Tanner SFF before Snake/Sora. Today's match is yet another example of people willing to put an SFF tag on every match they don't understand, which is unbelievably sad, and I regret even bothering to read another of consolefreak's arguments. I should have learned my lesson when he tried arguing that FFTA sold more copies than FFT, but meh, I'm bored.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, Mario 64 DS, Advance Wars

From: Mugen no Jyuunin | Posted: 9/7/2005 11:53:36 AM | Message Detail | #061
I regret having ever clicked on that link. I think I somehow became stupider just by reading it. -_-

It's a debate with consolefreak involved. All such situations are on par with George Bush leading an investigation into why federal aid took so long to arrive to New Orleans.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, Mario 64 DS, Advance Wars

Tanner suffered from the "There is no Reason to Vote for This Guy" factor. Currently, it's just Snake rolling on all cylinders. He's got the 1 seed, the amazing picture, Metal Gear Solid 3, and probably a very solid prediction percentage. To the Final Four, Snake!
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

It took Bush himself days before he actually went to New Orleans.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

And do you see how quickly they are getting the job done after they finally decided to help out? What prevented them from leaving immediately? I've heard that the National Guard in the vicinity were sitting there awaiting the official order to help out, as they were ready to go. I know this is the wrong topic, but it really pisses me off. I have plenty of college friends that are from New Orleans...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

... I didn't know he had that sort of reputation.

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<_<

I blame the FEMA director well before I blame Bush on this one.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, Mario 64 DS, Advance Wars

Wow...I come home from a great day at high school to see this.

Conclusion: I should stop caring about GameFAQs altogether, and focus on high school social life.
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I know what I'm getting into, I don't care if I die trying!-Peppita Rossetti

From: Mugen no Jyuunin | Posted: 9/7/2005 2:07:19 PM | Message Detail | #067
... I didn't know he had that sort of reputation.

Eh, it requires paying attention. consolefreak is the same guy that basically helped Vlado invade the FF7SB a few months back.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, Mario 64 DS, Advance Wars

How did they invade the FFVIISB ?

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

well it loooks as though this is the year snake does not disapoint. great vote total gap against manny,strong performance against zelda and now a beating of sora.

snake can now take out bowser without it being a shock.
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What a 42 carat plonker you really are~del boy only fools and horses

Conclusion: I should stop caring about GameFAQs altogether, and focus on high school social life.

Not that I'm popular - not even close - but I'd recommend keeping your little dungeon filled with prepubescent girls to yourself.

Might scare some people off if you don't.

<.<
>.>

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Snake is really beating Sora with the day vote.. wow

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

From: ExquisiteSamurai | Posted: 9/7/2005 2:09:30 PM | Message Detail | #071
How did they invade the FFVIISB ?

Remember Vlado's "Nominate Tifa" topics? One of them got moved from FF7 General to FF7SB. Not only did he refuse to believe that he broke the TOS, but he and console started a massive war with the entire FF7SB and the Tifa topic became one of the most hilarious reads I've ever seen. There are people making themselves look like fools, and then there was Vlado and consolefreak in that topic. Even funnier was the fact that console himself started flooding a bunch of boards with Nominate Tifa topics, including a second one over on the FF7SB. It's a shame that all of this happened before the new mods were picked, really.

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I kind of take offense at those kind of SFF arguments.

Anyone who knows me knows I love stats. I figure out formula for RPGs and such and you know, I get made fun of it because, yeah, I suppose it's a stupid hobby. But hey... what can you do? I enjoy it.

And so I took a hobby interest in the XP stats so I love working with them. When people make fun of them all the time, I kind of take it personally, because they're making fun of a hobby of mine. Even if I don't really use them as a bible, I still enjoy the manipulation of the statistics.

But I guess if there weren't people that called SFF after every match, I wouldn't have to worry about all those detractors to begin with. THE XP STATS ARE MISUNDERSTOOD!
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To settle my score with you, I came dancing all the way up from the fires of hell.

BTW i'm sure we should give out a value to SFF like

Console SFF= value of 1
Company SFF=value of 2
Game SFF=value of 3

cause there is more of an overlapping fanbase for a game than a console and company.

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What a 42 carat plonker you really are~del boy only fools and horses

This would be a value of 'i' SFF, as in IMAGINARY.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

...XP stats?

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
Currently Playing: Fire Emblem 8, Mario 64 DS, Advance Wars

Working with imaginary numbers? Am I back in HIGH SCHOOL?
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To settle my score with you, I came dancing all the way up from the fires of hell.

I don't know how people can downplay MGS3's power amd keep a straight face. It's not on par with, say, MGS2 yet, but it has still sold WELL over 3 million copies and is continuing to grow. GameFAQs may very well account for a larger proportion of those sales than their numbers imply. And we know that sales aren't the be-all end-all of ANYTHING, or else Samus wouldn't be the favorite to win the contest.
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*is Karma Hunter*

This would be a value of 'i' SFF, as in ISN'T.

SYNONYM'D.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

I use 'i' to solve for lots of equations in the real world. Like in my check book, or my balance sheet, or my...

Ooh **** it. Nothing you learn in high school math will ever serve a lick of worth, unless your career path goes down the road of something involving mathematics. And coming from a tax accountant, even then, your career path may not even need high school math.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

People hate it when you use other websites. But at IGN, remember their contest?

It had Solid Snake Vs. Naked Snake. And the match went 50-50.

Basically, that was Naked Snake, going off of one game, MGS3, going toe-to-toe with the established main hero Solid Snake.

Assuming most of GameFAQs votes Naked Snake as Solid as well, there is definitely some impact to be had.
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To settle my score with you, I came dancing all the way up from the fires of hell.

Gotta love the school system. Heh, and I'm aiming to be a teacher, too (main focus being theatre).
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

I use 'i' to solve for lots of equations in the real world. Like in my check book, or my balance sheet, or my...

Ooh **** it. Nothing you learn in high school math will ever serve a lick of worth, unless your career path goes down the road of something involving mathematics. And coming from a tax accountant, even then, your career path may not even need high school math.

Computer & Electrical Engineers like myself would like to have a word with you... =P
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Yeah, that was awesome. Solid got NO SFF on Naked Snake at IGN, all Naked needed was his badass MGS3 picture to go toe to toe with him.

Oh, and that was the closest match Snake had. Snake won that whole contest. ^_^
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*is Karma Hunter*

Imagine a bracket like the one for the IGN contest showing its face here. Link vs. Cloud in the first round. Ugh.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

unless your career path goes down the road of something involving mathematics.

My roommate is an electrical engineer, and I do believe that would qualify as the 'path of mathematics.' Goes double for CS fo sho.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

<_<

I hate programming...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Snake/Sora SFF... seriously now. This is just pathetic. Link/Megaman I could get, and it looks more and more like there wasn't anyway, but Snake/Sora... jeez.

Though, speaking of SFF, fun fact: Sora is currently doing worse than against Aeris, who did SFF Sora to hell and back.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

I can't think of very many things more interesting than pure math. It's a shame that so many belittle it for having few real world applications, especially since the same can be said of video game knowledge!
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There is only one war of the brood!

Few real world applications? Math is the language of the universe.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

Math is beyond interesting. It's real world applications, much like video game knowledge, is really nothing more than one kickass hobby.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

And when I say math, I clearly do not mean basic functional skills. I mean regressions, and integrals, and everything us nerds actually enjoy =)

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

Sora/Snake SFF > Link/MM SFF, while both very small.

I think so anyway.
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I know what I'm getting into, I don't care if I die trying!-Peppita Rossetti

Pure math is man-made (we created the axioms).
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There is only one war of the brood!

Frog/MC SFF > Snake/Sora SFF.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

I don't know if anybody else will agree with this sentiment: I hate math, but I love stats. That may just be me though and can sound like a paradox at first.....
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Frog/MC SFF > Link/Ganondorf SFF

Really, Frog would have won that much with over 80%.
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To settle my score with you, I came dancing all the way up from the fires of hell.