*wakes up*

Nice performance by Snake I think that'll make the Bowser > Snake supporters be quiet for a few minutes. As the day goes on Snake should drop some percent.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

Woah... Sora's getting his ass kicked... Solid **** must have really really made a huge difference last year... And 49% for Samus is just pitiful.
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Nice performance by Snake I think that'll make the Bowser > Snake supporters be quiet for a few minutes. As the day goes on Snake should drop some percent.

I still fully expect Bowser to give Snake all he can handle.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I wake up to Snake doubling Sora. This is ridiculous. What a beating. Stupid picture advantages... you can't even see the Keyblade master!

Yeah, just think...Snake would only be getting 63% if he had his sprite!
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Devil Division Final: (5)Vincent Valentine

Just to say, I went ahead and made the new topic since I didn't see that anyone else did. If I infringed, I'll close it or something, but I just wanted to make sure that there was a new one ready.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

so what's the bracket prediction going to be for Snake?

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

For Snake, somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-65% or so. I just couldn't imagine many casual bracket makers taking any of those characters over Snake by a significant amount.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Devil Division Final: (5)Vincent Valentine

From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/7/2005 7:46:57 AM | Message Detail

Yeah, just think...Snake would only be getting 63% if he had his sprite!

You keep telling yourself that. Even in this picture, move Sora from the horizon to the foreground and it is probably a couple percent. Change Solid's best picture ever into Solid **** and that is, as I said before, a full 5%. Use Sora's CoM sprite, bringing in the Nintendrones, and that's another couple percent. So to summarize, if I was making match pictures, this would be 55/45, tops. As it is, at this rate Sora should easily get Snake down to 63-64% by the time Kirby/Bowser comes around.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 69/76 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)

Snake always has great prediction percentages. Zelda was his biggest casual threat, I don't think anyone else was going to make up that difference. High 60's for him.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

So we're not going to have a sprite round right?

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"Life...Dreams...Hope...Where'd they come from? And where are they headed...? These things...I'm going to destroy!!" -Kefka

You're putting wayyyyyy too much importance on pictures. Heck, Sora's not even that far off into the background. He's just short.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Devil Division Final: (5)Vincent Valentine

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XD at today's result! Go Snake! Now to catch up...
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

After seeing Frog, Magus and Kefka overperform with sprites, and Snake underperform with it, I think that pictures make a difference. And in the Frog/Snake match, I think it made a good 5% difference, maybe more. Depending on what happens with Samus/Mario vs. Snake/Bowser, Snake could be expected to get over 60% on Frog. I find MGS3 to be giving him that much of a boost, especially since, from what I have heard, he isn't even in the darn thing.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 69/76 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)

After seeing Frog, Magus and Kefka overperform with sprites, and Snake underperform with it, I think that pictures make a difference

There you go. It's Frog, not Snake.

And Kefka?

*looks at Wesker in comparison to Lloyd and Zero*

I doubt it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Devil Division Final: (5)Vincent Valentine

And before 8am, I don't feel as bad, but that is suppose to read 'I find it hard to believe MGS3 would give him.' And yes, I am well aware that is nothing near what I typed.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 69/76 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Wow, Snake and completely and utterly destroying Sora. This doesn't wane my confidence in Bowser, though.

And check out sexy #48 on the leaderboard.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

I find MGS3 to be giving him that much of a boost, especially since, from what I have heard, he isn't even in the darn thing.

And for all intents and purposes, Naked Snake IS Solid Snake, just like in the same sense that people treat X as Mega Man.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Devil Division Final: (5)Vincent Valentine

Kefka broke 70% on Wesker. Zero broke 70% on Lloyd. Lloyd barely beat Wesker. I highly doubt Kefka could even keep Zero from doubling him. Kefka overperformed with his sprite.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 69/76 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)

And you deleted your post just as I respond to it... bastard.

And yeah, I may only be an hour into the game, but the guy I was controlling sure coulda fooled me that he wasn't Solid Snake.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 69/76 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)

And no you didn't delete it, but another one. I quit, and need to go back to bed.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 69/76 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)

What's up with the updater script? It randomly misses an update and adds the vote total to the next update...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

So are we just attributing this to pic advantage, or?..
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*ExThaNemesis*

By the way, the vote totals for this match have really taken off since I last checked. Looks like we'll get a respectable performance out of them yet.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

I'm attributing some of it to pic advantage. And being fitted for a straight jacket as a result. In summary, blame it on the pic at your risk.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 69/76 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)

I'm often in favor of the pic factor, and even I don't think this has much to do with it. Here's when I think pics matter:

A) When one character is pretty much unrecognizable and the other looks very good (Frog/Snake)
B) When a character gets a picture from a game that a large part of the fanbase hates (KOS-MOS/Luigi)
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]

...wow, we have our answer as to how Snake could be so solid against Zelda. Well, part of it, anyway, because this is, by far, Snake's best performance ever. Suddenly a contender for the main bracket? Wow, imagine the devastation on everyone's brackets if that were to happen.

And I had a feeling I was conservative when giving Samus a prediction percentage in the high 50s. DAMN, was I ever right. This confirms my gut feeling that Samus just couldn't SFF Ganondorf.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

Oh, and great job with the Knuckles 2003 reference, because Sora's looking to do something similar.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

"B) When a character gets a picture from a game that a large part of the fanbase hates (KOS-MOS/Luigi)"


I really do think thats part of the reason Link lost to Cloud in 2003. That and Square was really strong that year.

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Can't think of a good sig.

Wind Waker isn't half the lightningrod XS2 is. It's actually very good.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

even Knuckles wasn't getting beaten this bad at this point, and Knuckles arguably has a stronger day vote. Snake had to have increased significantly.
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And to think I forgot to mention Young Link getting pwned by Bat Cloud. Fact of the matter is, horrific pictures, and amazing pictures, make a difference. Tifa's rack would be another example. Goes from being 45% on Cloud to 55% on Luigi, and all it took was an absence of two (admittedly very large) vote rally-ers.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 69/76 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)

Knuckles was actually BELOW 30% with the night vote in 2003.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

ah, I was looking at 2k4. 2k3 is probably a better idea, though sc2k5 doesn't have poll updates to go on.
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http://picturesofwalls.com

Snake's still hauling in 65-66% of the vote per update, and he'll likely make a little more headway when the night rolls around. He's looking to come close or perhaps even exceed Samus' performance.

Bowser is still very much a threat, but I'm happier more than ever that I went with Snake in my bracket.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

Yeah, but I remember the shock I had that day pretty well.

Either way, that's a lot of stats we're going to have to argue on in the off-season, especially if Snake still finds a way to lay an egg against Bowser.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

I would be shocked if Zelda does better than Bowser, so that match is still up in the air regardless of how bad he's embarassing Sora right now.

still, I'll go Snake with 52-53%.

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http://picturesofwalls.com

0_o

what the heck happened here?! Snake DID just snap Sora's neck.... it does look like Sora will avoid the doubling, though, and could even hit 36% after the afterschool vote is over. but, man. maybe this is Snake's true power with the combination of a MGS3 boost and the most recognizable pic he has ever had. not a single person who has ever played any MGS game would be unable to identify Snake has the "Metal Gear Solid guy" in that pic. of course, i fully expect Bowser to be stronger than Zelda, so he does still have a chance at Snake.

long live the Noble Nine!!

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"Start wearing purple, for me now. All your sanity and wits, they will all vanish, i promise. It's just a matter of time..."

IMO, the pic factor existed ever since 2002.

Think about it, most people will have the belief that "one vote doesn't matter anyway". Those people will give out either the pity votes or the cooler picture votes.

Voters are not as linear as you people are making them out to be. Only hard-core fanbase really vote based on character, such as FFVII and Zelda, which explains why they rarely under-perform.

It's a 50/50 chance who the voters will pick and there are no better influential factors other than pictures.

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Snake has dropped .37% in the hour I've been here. When this is all over he won't be outperforming Samus.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

He's brought himself up over 67% again.

Though it's very likely Snake won't hold here, this goes a long way in showing what an absolute BEAST Zelda might have been.
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Go ahead ********! Fire away! I've got a big turkey dinner here that says you don't have enough bullets to take down my hungry ***! ~ MG2 Run

yeh i think Zelda wouldve definately beaten Sora
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Vincent's Path to Victory: Round 3 - (2)Squall

So Snake hasn't dropped at all from whatever his strongest value was it seems. Still, with Zelda and Ganondorf looking good and a Nintendo boost with AC delayed, I really want to see Link vs Cloud now.

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Can't think of a good sig.

'Dropped' at all? Hell, if we're to think Zelda got a comparable boost with her Nintendo and LoZ brethren, Snake is higher than he's EVER been.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

*wakes up*

49% had Samus winning the division? Wow, it was so obvious from the beginning too.

Snake is doubling Sora? Great, looks like he may give the winner of Mario/Samus a bit of a fight (he's going to beat Bowser).
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Today's subliminal thought is:

Link wins 55/45 at least

Always thought that, always will.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

It's a 50/50 chance who the voters will pick and there are no better influential factors other than pictures.

I find this true only if one of the characters is really obscure so casual voters have nothing else to bank their vote on.
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Today's subliminal thought is:

Did anyone notice that Samus had a better bracket support last year against Sonic then what she had against Ganondorf. How many did screw up their bracket just because Ganon got the finals in the spring contest?
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When this happened, all of us got PWND by Smurf
http://www.freewebs.com/vgcg/Knuckles.jpg

I'm sure all of Ganondorf's bracket support doesn't come from the Spring Contest. I bet a lot of casuals thought that since Link wasn't in the main bracket, Ganondorf would get the Zelda series support and win.
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Squall > The Devil Division

From what I've gathered in a number of posts on this board, a good number people had Ganondorf winning the contest--facing Diablo in the finals. I guess it's easy to make yourself believe that Ganondorf is only slightly below Sephy, and Diablo below him if you don't pay attention to the percentages.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!