By the way, this match fails at vote totals.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

As expected
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To settle my score with you, I came dancing all the way up from the fires of hell.

Nowhere near insane. If Samus cannot SFF Ganondorf, despite growing up on the same system, being a hero to his villain, and solely sharing the same consoles, she has absolutely no chance at holding off a gaming icon, who is a hero, grew up on the same system and solely shares the same consoles, from SFFing her like mad.

Mario with over 55%, as everyone on Board 8 throws metaphorical batteries, beer bottles and hot dogs onto the field for turning what was the most hyped match of the contest into a complete farce.

Please. You don't know if Mario could SFF Ganondorf, let alone Samus. Samus is the most popular Nintendo character in the contest. Mario, status or not, can't match that. And remember Sephiroth getting like 42% on Ganon? See Samus outdoing that here? Samus obviously can SFF Nintendo characters. All Mario's ever done is SFF fodder like Ness and Olimar. And don't forget, after Zero's match, Samus is still projected to win. 55% for Samus sounds about right.

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must mean nintendo fans cheat a lot when against different company? just look at yesterday, no one expected that on zero.
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Yes. Fans cheat their ass off so they won't be in danger of losing a 63-37 match.
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To settle my score with you, I came dancing all the way up from the fires of hell.

This match raises my confidence in the Mario side of the fated Mario/Sonic final. Now all I need is for Crono to bomb hard, and for Tifa lie on her back and get ****ed just as planned.
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Never forget. Never forgive.

no, they cheat their ass off to make them look better.
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Ah, of course. How could I have been so foolish.

*cough*
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To settle my score with you, I came dancing all the way up from the fires of hell.

"Nowhere near insane. If Samus cannot SFF Ganondorf, despite growing up on the same system, being a hero to his villain, and solely sharing the same consoles, she has absolutely no chance at holding off a gaming icon, who is a hero, grew up on the same system and solely shares the same consoles, from SFFing her like mad."

Dude if Samus had gotten 70% on Ganondorf no one would stand any chance at all of beating her before her match with Link. Have you forgotten what Ganondorf did on Sephiroth?

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From: Brainstruck | Posted: 9/6/2005 9:02:01 AM | Message Detail

Please. You don't know if Mario could SFF Ganondorf, let alone Samus. Samus is the most popular Nintendo character in the contest. Mario, status or not, can't match that. And remember Sephiroth getting like 42% on Ganon? See Samus outdoing that here? Samus obviously can SFF Nintendo characters. All Mario's ever done is SFF fodder like Ness and Olimar. And don't forget, after Zero's match, Samus is still projected to win. 55% for Samus sounds about right.

Mario has SFFed a character just as popular as Ganondorf, or did you forget about Bowser? Samus is not the most popular character in the contest; in fact, with the ToC she is not even the 2nd most popular Nintendo character. Ganondorf got 42% on Sephiroth because people want a close final match. Same reason CT did so well on FFVII. Same reason Link SFFed Mario more than anyone thinks he did in 2k2. People realize who is going to win the match, and in cases where they are not gung-ho for the expected winner, and have no bracket hanging on a winner, they vote the other way just because.

Throw all of this together with the fact that Mario is a monster of a vote draw, and Samus is having troubles bringing folks to the polls, and I will be absolutely shocked if Mario>Samus is ever in doubt by the time the sun comes up.

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By the way, this match fails at vote totals.

In case you didn't get the memo, SFF matches always have crappy vote totals.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Samus gathering 70% as a result of SFF does not make her unbeatable to anyone. Ganondorf is otherwise uninspiring, AND a villain. A Nintendo hero should have no trouble SFFing such a character. At least Bowser has a personality in SMRPG (and from what I hear: M&L:SS). Ganon should succumb to SFF very easily, and barring a 3-4% increase during the day, Samus will have gained minimal, if any, SFF on him.

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Well yeah. I'm sure if Bowser was Samus's main villain she could SFF him too.
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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 9/6/2005 9:16:01 AM | Message Detail
Well yeah. I'm sure if Bowser was Samus's main villain she could SFF him too.

Notice how Link SFFed Ganondorf supremely worse than anyone has SFFed anyone else. Yes, Link is horribly strong, but it has so much more to do with Ganon than Link. Sephiroth avoids it from Cloud, because Sephiroth has character. Bowser avoided it to Ganonian proportions from Mario because he has a personality. Looking back, Magus even avoided it (OVERRATED) because he has personality. Ganon is just there. The guy leeches off Nintendo (and more specifically LoZ) fanbase more than any other character draws solely from a demographic. Samus being unable to exploit his innate weakness is in turn exploiting her own weakness, one I fully expect Mario to expose a week from now.

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SC2k5 - 61/68 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)

Don't want y'all to think I'm heading for the hills, but I am off to work. Any debates over Mario's inevitable pwning of Samus will have to wait six hours.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 65/72 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)

If anything it just shows to me an independant Samus voting base that, if not susceptible to massive SFF wins, probably wouldn't be susceptible to SFF loses either. If Link presumably couldn't do it, Mario sure as hell can't.
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"Samus gathering 70% as a result of SFF does not make her unbeatable to anyone."


Yes it would. Samus SFFing someone as strong as Ganondorf that isn't even from the same series by a full 10% would be insane. Of couse Mario can SFF Bowser because hes from the same series and is the villain. It works like Link/Ganondorf. I highly doubt Mario would be capable of SFFing Ganondorf though. And no self respecting FF7 fan would vote for Ganondorf over Sephiroth just because they want a "close final" (which wasn't that close). That makes no sense whatsoever. No one did that for Mario in 2002 over Link.

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I'm a lil' disappointed in Samus right now, though I shouldn't really; it's still better than Sephiroth, and this might be the first time anything LoZ-related has been SFF'd ( though we don't know about SMB3/LoZ). I'm anxious for Mario/Samus now...very anxious.
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If SFF was to deciede Mario/Samus, I'm backing with Mario, but Samus still has the "I'm still slightly stronger then Mario excuse.
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for the last time, there wont be ANY SFF IN SAMUS VS. ****ING MARIO!

Anyway, by this result Samus > Sephiroth (if it stays like this). Sephiroth > Mario, so Samus >> Sephy. I stand by my samus over sephiroth pick.
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I should also note that I doubt SFF will be a note-worthy factor of Mario or Samus; they've both been strong enough to look at Link straight in the eyes and say "**** you" when he tried to SFF them, and they're pretty close in strength. One could try to argue that SM64 could be a difference-maker since it came on a system where Samus lacked a game (besides SSB), but then one could also mention this generation; in all likelyhood, though Super Mario Sunshine has more sales, one could say Metroid Prime has been more of a definitive game for the Gamecube...

...hell, this is just gonna be close. I'm stickin' with Samus, but I'm voting Mario.
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If SFF was to deciede Mario/Samus I'm backing with Mario.
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If SFF was to deciede Mario/Samus I'm backing with Mario.

I'll second that. It's a huge if that I'm not expecting to see though.
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samus mario is pretty much the most hyped match of the contest. but i think link cloud is more debatable
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What a 42 carat plonker you really are~del boy only fools and horses

Why are some people saying that this looks bad on samus? 0_o

She's doing better then ****ing sephiroth did on gannon. All without any real signs of SFF. Or are some people still anti-spring contest results being used for the summer contest?
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This doesn't look so bad for Samus ranking, it's just that Mario looked more impressive yesterday.
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i think that the vote totals being dramatically low made sephiroth look weaker. i mean at his height his matches often broke 110k right?
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What a 42 carat plonker you really are~del boy only fools and horses

Since KH is dieing off I think Sephiroth is slowly inching back to his 2k2 number of 40.43% against 2k2 Link and until something new comes up he'll be going down.
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*2k4 Link
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but i think link cloud is more debatable

I think we'll have the biggest percentage-difference ever (between Link and Cloud) with AC being delayed.


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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 59/68. Today: Samus, tomorrow: Snake

No AC being delayed will keep it closer >_>

Go Cloud...
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with ac delayed won't that increase the hype for ac cause the match will be relatively close to ac right?
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Link wins with over 55% of the vote, I hope.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

There's a lot of hype for TP as well, but I don't even think hype can make much of a difference anyway.
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 59/68. Today: Samus, tomorrow: Snake

Link wins with over 55% of the vote, I hope.

That seems pretty likely at this point. I hope Cloud wins though..

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From: ernest | Posted: 9/6/2005 11:54:33 AM | #283
with ac delayed won't that increase the hype for ac cause the match will be relatively close to ac right?

Not really. The only step forward Cloud can really take is if the thing is released.
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"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

Next year will be a different story though. AC + KH2 should give Cloud a bigger boost than TP Link.
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 59/68. Today: Samus, tomorrow: Snake

Ulti, I don't care what some obscure stat from years ago says. Samus is on track to beat Ganondorf by a greater margin than Sephiroth did just this past Spring, and I think she's doing it with minimal help from SFF.

Despite what Mario fans and guys like Viktor think, who utterly fail at reasonable predictions, what Samus is doing here is very impressive, moreso than what Mario did to Zero. Oh, and if Link couldn't SFF Samus, Mario isn't going to either.

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well it's a question of zero/ganondorf who is stronger?

and another supposed challenger for the breaking of the noble nine fall flat on his face. bowser and tifa might suffer the same thing.
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What a 42 carat plonker you really are~del boy only fools and horses

I would take Ganon over Zero easily.

Bowser and Tifa WILL suffer the same fate.

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
World Champion: Gyruss, Link's Awakening, Mega Man X, Solstice, Super Mario World, Zombies Ate My Neighbors

I would pick Ganondorf, but I'll be expecting the winner to have less than 51% of the votes.

Samus better watch out because if there's going to be a high vote total match, she isn't going to do so well.
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From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 9/6/2005 12:00:00 PM | Message Detail | #289
Ulti, I don't care what some obscure stat from years ago says.

Neither do I, if you haven't noticed. But even then, I'm not impressed with Samus not being able to SFF Ganon into the ground. Samus is only doing better than Sephiroth because of SFF, I feel.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Samus better watch out because if there's going to be a high vote total match, she isn't going to do so well.

Her match with Cloud was the second highest in 2K4 and she didn't do too bad at all there.
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Agreed. I was hoping Samus would get 65% or better against Ganondorf (not the ridiculous 75% that some people were calling for). We can only hope that Samus isn't SFF Ganondorf at all. I'm not looking at the stats ANYMORE for Mario/Samus as this is obviously a very different year...

Mario/Samus could very well end up being a barn-burner.
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I don't think it matters. Mario and Samus are not going to SFF each other. Link, the guy that broke 80% on Yoshi and made Ganon look worse than CATS, could barely SFF Samus, so Mario definitely won't be able to.

And for a year or so, signs have pointed to Samus being slightly stronger than Sephiroth. Everything is going according to my plan. >_>

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World Champion: Gyruss, Link's Awakening, Mega Man X, Solstice, Super Mario World, Zombies Ate My Neighbors

Her match with Cloud was the second highest in 2K4 and she didn't do too bad at all there.

nuff said.
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Wait, people don't still think that Tifa can challenge Sonic, do they?
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if zero>ganondorf which of the last two results become the most interesting
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What a 42 carat plonker you really are~del boy only fools and horses

I don't think Zero > Ganondorf OR Bowser. Maybe previously, but not now. Zero is probably the strongest non-Nintendo, non-Noble Nine member however.
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