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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 234
From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 9/5/2005 8:47:03 PM | Message Detail
Well, yeah, since if it looks like Ganondorf can rSFF Samus, then imagine what Mario could do.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/5/2005 8:48:18 PM | Message Detail
Getting 55% would be shockingly low to me, but I don't think I could bring myself to say Mario/Samus is a lock right now. However, I do think that whoever wins that match wins the contest, hands down. No one else has shown comparable ability.
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/5/2005 8:49:29 PM | Message Detail
Nah, it might be a possibilty that LoZ trumps anything in its path in Nintendo/Nintendo matches. We haven't seen anyone but Link to tell, so who knows?
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!
From: Eggplant Lord | Posted: 9/5/2005 8:50:11 PM | Message Detail
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*COUGH*

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From: greatone10 | Posted: 9/5/2005 8:52:04 PM | Message Detail
I think Ganon could very well break 45, depending on how much of Samus's popularity comes from the SSB series.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 9/5/2005 8:52:05 PM | Message Detail
You do know if Samus only gets 55% the whole board will say Mario is a lock.

Indeed. Although I believe it would simply show that Ganon's spring performance is more accurate than was initially being given credit, which would also help out Bowser. But I'm really doubting Samus will only pull 55% tomorrow.

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 9/5/2005 8:52:17 PM | Message Detail
Some people really think Ganondorf will do worse than 2K4 Sora? I wish...
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 9/5/2005 8:53:08 PM | Message Detail
I wouldn't be surprised to see Samus get 55%...I'd almost be more surprised to see her exceed 65% against Ganondorf.

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From: assman20 | Posted: 9/5/2005 8:53:32 PM | Message Detail
Samus is going to SFF Ganondorf all to hell.

MEGA BOOK IT!
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From: RamzaB | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:03:21 PM | Message Detail
Geez, 3 hours left in the poll and this match is already over 102,000. I guess word really got out for the Elite 8...
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Vincent WILL break 60% on Dante.
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From: transience | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:04:25 PM | Message Detail
heh, I have two copies of shadow hearts. yay for extras with preorders.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:07:42 PM | Message Detail
If Samus doesn't pull 60%, Mario in the finals is essentially a lock.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:09:03 PM | Message Detail
Some people really think Ganondorf will do worse than 2K4 Sora? I wish...

Hello SFF?
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From: transience | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:09:18 PM | Message Detail
I disagree. unless Samus has the fight of her life vs. Ganon, we won't know much at all.

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From: Haste2 | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:11:02 PM | Message Detail
I am worried about Samus' chances against Mario no matter how well she does against Ganondorf, but I think she has a shot even if she gets as low as 56%.

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"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
From: Haste2 | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:12:08 PM | Message Detail
Hm...56%? Okay, maybe 58%.

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:12:22 PM | Message Detail
Hello SFF?

Hello enough to go under 34%, if there's any at all?
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From: RamzaB | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:16:41 PM | Message Detail
I just noticed that the only 1 seed that didn't make the sweet 16 was Dante. In fact, Vincent was the only character seeded below 3 to make the sweet the 16. Fascinating stuff right there.
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Vincent WILL break 60% on Dante.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:18:21 PM | Message Detail
Hello enough to go under 34%, if there's any at all?

We really don't know. Ganon DID suffer from the most SFF out of ANYONE in this contest, so I wouldn't be surprised if Samus took a chunk out of him as well. You must not realize how pathetic Link made Ganon look. I know it's hero/villain and all, but 12%??? It really makes you wonder how true Ganondorf's fans are when it comes to another Nintendo character...
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:20:00 PM | Message Detail
I just noticed that the only 1 seed that didn't make the sweet 16 was Dante. In fact, Vincent was the only character seeded below 3 to make the sweet the 16. Fascinating stuff right there.

There ARE 8 divisions though, so the seeding is rather spread... Plus the seeding is more accurate compared to other years. There wasn't really any shifting people around to set up matchups.
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:20:05 PM | Message Detail
Ganondorf's still the 4th strongest Nintendo character. I don't think his fans will abandon him so easily against a non-related Nintendo character. I think the only thing he has to worry about SFF-wise is SSBM...

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From: chronicfreeze | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:21:02 PM | Message Detail
I would take Bowser over Ganondorf.
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"Frog > Samus, because Samus is a woman." - Dino Duck
From: transience | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:23:30 PM | Message Detail
yeah, Samus isn't Link. there should be minimal SFF in this match.

Samus with 60%.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:26:47 PM | Message Detail
Samus doesn't have to be Link, either.

Samus with just barely over 70%.
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:32:01 PM | Message Detail
I just noticed that the only 1 seed that didn't make the sweet 16 was Dante. In fact, Vincent was the only character seeded below 3 to make the sweet the 16. Fascinating stuff right there.

7, 1 seed
3, 2 seed
5, 3 seed
1, 5 seed

Since we have 8 divisions, the 3 and 4 seed curse lives on!
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From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:54:27 PM | Message Detail
Mario's % in the morning looked more impressive.

Stay above 63% Mario!
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:54:54 PM | Message Detail
She doesn't have to be Link, and I don't think she'll get significant SFF anyway. She might, but I'd be more willing to bet against it.
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 9/5/2005 9:57:50 PM | Message Detail
And Zero is now above 37% here.
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From: JonPen1416 | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:00:13 PM | Message Detail
I said Samus would get 75% a while back, and I'll stick with that. I do think there will be a good amount of SFF. I don't personally care whether or not she does, though.
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From: MnMZero | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:00:40 PM | Message Detail
;_; Still not good enough though. Zero realized that he had nothing to fight for...
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:04:40 PM | Message Detail
I think that's a bit TOO extreme. I think people are assuming that what Link did to Ganondorf was the norm, while I don't believe that's the case. Ganon hasn't really had any opportunity to grow a fanbase independently of Link, and he hasn't even been in every major Zelda game. It just seems more of an obvious case of Ganondorf leeching off of Link himself to an extreme degree (or at least being in a position where his fans are for the most part bigger Link fans, which is understandable). I don't think it's a case where they're not loyal to him.
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From: Janus5000 | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:06:50 PM | Message Detail
Samus will win with 84.68%.

Ganondorf must remain weaker than Eggplant CATS!
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From: transience | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:07:04 PM | Message Detail
in some ways, you'd expect the character with the bigger series (Ganon) would have more support than the person with the smaller series (Samus). I'm really not seeing SFF affecting this match at all, since it could theoretically go either way.
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From: JonPen1416 | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:08:27 PM | Message Detail
Bowser does have a large fanbase of people who really like him a lot, not just his games/series, and that didn't stop Mario from 70/30ing him. Same with Yoshi. He definitely has a lot more dedicated fans than Ganondorf, and he still got massacred by Link. Ganon should get owned severely.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:12:42 PM | Message Detail
Series has nothing to do with the character's popularity though. Ganondorf really didn't have much of a fanbase, if at all, until Ocarina of Time. He probably got a lot more from SSBM. Samus has had fans since her NES days. Many of Ganondorf's fans were probably Samus fans FIRST. Add to that she was in BOTH SSB games, and I could see whatever fans they share deferring to Samus with no problems at all.

Granted, it isn't as large a fanbase sharing as Link/Ganon, but the potential to take a large chunk of the fans they DO share is there for Samus.
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:16:23 PM | Message Detail
Because Bowser faced MARIO. That's why he got 70/30'd. He was able to resist the SFF better because he has had opportunity to become independently popular (thanks in large part to the Mario RPGs giving him a great personality).

And Yoshi faced Link. Nothing else really needs to be said. We really can't say that Ganondorf's fans aren't "dedicated" because he got thrashed by his game's hero, whom the vast majority of the Nintendo fans prefer over EVERYBODY.
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From: JonPen1416 | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:19:11 PM | Message Detail
I am probably wrong, but it's just a feeling I have that says Ganondorf's gonna get trashed. Either that, or he's gonna win. But like I said, I really don't care about either character and the outcome makes no difference to me.
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Squall > The Devil Division
From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:22:02 PM | Message Detail
I'm not saying that Ganon's fans AREN'T dedicated, but he certainly has the potential for them to abandon him. He is essentially the "newbie" of the elite Nintendo characters, as he didn't REALLY get his fans until Ocarina of Time (similar to Solid Snake not becoming really popular until Metal Gear Solid). Samus may have been no Mario or Link in her early times, but she certainly had her fans... I'm just speculating though.
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From: transience | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:24:32 PM | Message Detail
from 75% to losing? yikes.

I can see SSBM being a factor for SFF, but they're both in it and both are well-established outside of SSBM.
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From: Mister Mario | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:26:41 PM | Message Detail
I sincerely doubt that SSBM is Ganondorf's main source of power. I feel that Ocarina of Time is.
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:28:06 PM | Message Detail
Am I the only one who'd pick Ganon over Mario if he managed to beat Samus?

And to those saying they don't exist...I'm a Ganon fan. He's my favorite Nintendo character.
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From: transience | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:30:26 PM | Message Detail
I'd still take Mario. he's got that whole icon thing going on.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:30:36 PM | Message Detail
Am I the only one who'd pick Ganon over Mario if he managed to beat Samus?

Doubt it, but, um...why worry about something like that? Ganon's not beating Samus. BOOK IT.

Hmmm...first time I've used that. Nice.
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:31:15 PM | Message Detail
Ganondorf beating Mario would rank up there as one of the grossest atrocities in contest history.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:36:36 PM | Message Detail
Ganon beating Mario would be pretty bad.

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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:37:01 PM | Message Detail
Hey, Zero only lost that update by 8. He's gettin' close.
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From: Fiop | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:37:27 PM | Message Detail
498?
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From: transience | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:37:49 PM | Message Detail
a cat born in an oven isn't a cake.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:37:54 PM | Message Detail
Tifa > Sonic. Book it.

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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 9/5/2005 10:37:54 PM | Message Detail
Mario: that son of a ***** sure can jump.
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