I would pick Zero over Bowser. Tough one though.
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I just have a hard time thinkin' this match is an anomoly when Laharl and Pac were so close in the stats last year and are lookin' to have the almost-exact relationship again this year.

Yeah, like how the 2003 stats showed Tidus and Shadow being so close together, and what a coincidence in 2004! I still have a difficult time believing it worked out so perfectly, heh.

Once again, I really, really doubt that Laharl could give Pac-Man and Ocelot a fight. And I'd like you to tell me with a straight face he could beat Dr. Wily.
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I say Zero beats Bowser in a close one, even if Bowser is indirectly stronger. He impressed considerably against MM. I also think Bowser would beat Ganondorf, even though the King of Evil could be indirectly stronger.
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Tidus/Shadow was a close match anyways (yes, I know Tidus kept Shadow at bay...I'm talking about the vote margin). That's really all that was expected since everyone knows boosts/drops can happen in the off-season.
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I'd take Bowser over Zero. King Koopa has just been too damn impressive in these last two contests.

Anyway, Ganondorf/Bowser would have been a fantastic match to have this year. The hype and debate surrounding it would be surreal. Sadly, with Twilight Princess likely hitting shelves just before SC2K6, it looks like Ganondorf will have the significant advantage for at least a year.
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So you think Ocelot would have a hard time with Laharl after getting 35% on Bowser? Who got 60% on Ryu?

After losing to Pac-Man, he means.

Once again, I really, really doubt that Laharl could give Pac-Man and Ocelot a fight. And I'd like you to tell me with a straight face he could beat Dr. Wily.

lol, that'd be hilarious. Next thing you know, people are going to be saying that Laharl could beat Kuja! I mean it's the fan-favorite villain of FFIX people, Laharl would stand no chance against him.
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I don't think there's gonna be an "over-performance" tomorrow; If Zero got 49% tomorrow, I'd take it as legit strength.
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There's a world of difference between Wily and Kuja, and that much is obviously evident. Kuja lost pathetically to fodder. Wily has not only the ability to WIN a match, but is known by anyone that has picked up a Mega Man game. If you're going to tell me the pathetically low amount of people that have played Disgaea (and it is a shame that it is so low) are going to somehow propel Laharl over Wily, then there's really no reasoning with you.
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If Zero got 49%, this place would go into a massive riot. Would be awesome though, to at least have happen in the first hour of the poll.
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If Zero gets 45%, then expect Samus to pose an even tougher challenge.
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I mean it's the fan-favorite villain of FFIX people


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Don't confuse board 8 with FFIX fans in general. Kuja isn't well-liked at all by the majority of its fans. He's got too much working against him.
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If Zero gets 49% tomorrow, I'll start booking it for Samus.
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I just have a hard time thinkin' this match is an anomoly when Laharl and Pac were so close in the stats last year and are lookin' to have the almost-exact relationship again this year.

Tails and Fox were underestimated massively the first two years as well, I'll have you know.
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Straight-faced, unless MGS3-Revolver had a bigger affect than I'd like to admit, Laharl could beat Dr. Wily. We saw how Sigma blew, afterall, so I wouldn't put it past Dr. Wily either.

I do feel dirty givin' Laharl a legit chance against Wily though (and Nemesis, too, while we're at it).
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You SHOULD feel dirty, and you should be smacked upside the head.
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Laharl would get slaughtered by Dr. Wily or Nemesis. They're both much more well known than Laharl.
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If Zero gets 49% tomorrow, I'll start booking it for Samus.

I'd start booking with 47.
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Tails and Fox also had reasons to be under-rated (and we still don't have a sturdy number for Fox): Tails was behind Cloud in 2k2 and Cloud/Auron in 2k3, while Fox was behind Cloud in 2k2 and faced Link in 2k3. Of course they have reason to be under-rated, and I'm glad Tails proved himself last year.
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Laharl is simply far too cult without a large, connected fanbase to draw from. Hence why he can never put up much of a fight and will always drop the first match instantly.

That's why I think Pac-Man is getting SFF'd by Yoshi, he would beat Laharl easily. Laharl got 26% on Yoshi while Pac-Man is managing 27%. The margin between the two cannot be that close.
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Kuja lost pathetically to fodder. Wily has not only the ability to WIN a match, but is known by anyone that has picked up a Mega Man game.

Wily beat Ultros. Not exactly a stunning victory there. And did you know that MM2 is the only MM game to sell over a million copies? The original Mega Man series wasn't all that successful, especially in America. I don't think it makes sense at all that Wily is so much stronger than Robotnik, considering how few of MM's games Wily was in.

Laharl would get slaughtered by Dr. Wily or Nemesis. They're both much more well known than Laharl.

And what about Robotnik?
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Laharl is simply far too cult without a large, connected fanbase to draw from. Hence why he can never put up much of a fight and will always drop the first match instantly.

Just like CATS, right? It'd be impossible for him to get over 12000 votes, since that's his ceiling.
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And what about Robotnik?

Robotnik would beat Laharl.
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Just like CATS, right? It'd be impossible for him to get over 12000 votes, since that's his ceiling.

Except people actually know who CATS is when he gets his face pic. Laharl is way too cult to do any serious damage in these contests.
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Samus got 57.51% on Sonic last year, and Sonic 2k4 >>> Sonic 2k3...Mario has to do better than that if he wants to stand a chance against Samus...which he doesn't, so it doesn't really matter anyway.
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People might be aware of him just because of loud Disgaea fans.

'Cuz we all know being able to go 50/50 with a mainly NES-based villain is serious damage, especially when his SNES-"equivalent" is weaker than CATS already.
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Samus got 57.51% on Sonic last year, and Sonic 2k4 >>> Sonic 2k3...Mario has to do better than that if he wants to stand a chance against Samus...which he doesn't, so it doesn't really matter anyway.

Why are so many people still using the stats for this match? Mario/Samus will be completely decided by SFF. I don't care if Mario wins with 51% or 70% tomorrow; it won't change a thing for Mario/Samus.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Don't confuse board 8 with FFIX fans in general. Kuja isn't well-liked at all by the majority of its fans. He's got too much working against him.

I have not seen many people at all that love FFIX and hate Kuja. The people that hate Kuja are usually the people that hate FFIX in the first place.
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Why are so many people still using the stats for this match? Mario/Samus will be completely decided by SFF. I don't care if Mario wins with 51% or 70% tomorrow; it won't change a thing for Mario/Samus.

Well, it's just that statistically, Mario needs a hell of a lot of rSFF to take down Samus.

Not that it matters anyway because I think Samus will SFF Mario.
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Then you haven't talked to a good deal of FFIX fans, especially casual ones. Kuja has NO casual appeal.
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And what about Robotnik?

Robotnik would beat Laharl.

Barely, according to the stats. A Laharl victory is within the margin of error, and it's even more likely if Robotnik is overrated in the Spring stats, which is certainly possible. He certainly wouldn't "slaughter" Laharl though, like you say Wily would, despite being so well known.

Why are so many people still using the stats for this match? Mario/Samus will be completely decided by SFF. I don't care if Mario wins with 51% or 70% tomorrow; it won't change a thing for Mario/Samus.

No, I suppose it won't. Samus will get 60% on Mario regardless of tomorrow's result.

Laharl is way too cult to do any serious damage in these contests.

Just like Ryo Hazuki is way to cult to score a tripling, eh?
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Just like Ryo Hazuki is way to cult to score a tripling, eh?

Because he was facing bottom of the barrel fodder.
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No, I suppose it won't. Samus will get 60% on Mario regardless of tomorrow's result.

I will give you this account if that were to happen. There's no way Samus will approach 60%.
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Because he was facing bottom of the barrel fodder.

Right. And Wily is bottom of the barrel fodder too.
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The vote totals in that match were abysmal anyway.

And since you seem to be so intent on refuting all of these points, explain this: Why Ocelot is apparently as weak as Laharl but can apparently overperform on Bowser to the point that he looks as strong as Kefka.
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I have not seen many people at all that love FFIX and hate Kuja. The people that hate Kuja are usually the people that hate FFIX in the first place.

The villains bracket being pathetic is the understatement of the millenium, and Kuja still ranked bottom 5. Kuja is the epitome of board creation.

By the way, don't let yourselves get fooled by company affiliation. Megaman and Pac-Man got SFFed because their prime was in an era where nobody gave a damn about who made which game, and Luigi was created in that era as well. (Yoshi I don't know, but maybe Yoshi's representing the Mario series and not just Yoshi here.) I think it took the Sonic/Mario war to create that aspect.
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Zero with 48%. Book it.

Zero will be lucky to break 40%. <3

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Ryo performing on Guybrush is not nearly the same as this. Truth be told, stats be damned here. If you think Laharl would even put up a fight against Robotnik, you're out of your mind. It's Laharl. He's Robotnik. Laharl wouldn't win.
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More Metal Gear fans happened to show up on that particular date then usual.

Right. And Wily is bottom of the barrel fodder too.

If you think Wily ranks among complete **** like Guybrush Threepwood, especially after scoring 63% on an FF character, you're delusional. Unless you think Ultros is on the level of Tanner.
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I will give you this account if that were to happen. There's no way Samus will approach 60%.

Heh, I'm actually only expecting around 58% for Samus, but 60% is definitely possible.

And since you seem to be so intent on refuting all of these points, explain this: Why Ocelot is apparently as weak as Laharl but can apparently overperform on Bowser to the point that he looks as strong as Kefka.

That was Ocelot's true strength. I actually do believe Pac-Man is getting SFF'd here, it's just that most of the arguments I'm seeing are really dumb.


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If you think Wily ranks among complete **** like Guybrush Threepwood, especially after scoring 63% on an FF character, you're delusional. Unless you think Ultros is on the level of Tanner.

Did you just call Guybrush Threepwood "****"?!

*slaps you with glove*

I challenge you to a dual!
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Why Ocelot is apparently as weak as Laharl but can apparently overperform on Bowser to the point that he looks as strong as Kefka.

Who had a close one with Pac-Man... JUST LIKE OCELOT.
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I don't care if Mario wins with 51% or 70% tomorrow; it won't change a thing for Mario/Samus.

You're putting far too much into the amount of SFF in that match. While it may be there, if Mario or Samus has a rather significant advantage to begin with before SFF, then they would look far more likely to win. I never even banked on either having to rely on SFF to win.

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I will give you this account if that were to happen. There's no way Samus will approach 60%.

60% is very possible if Samus benefits from the SFF.
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If you think Wily ranks among complete **** like Guybrush Threepwood, especially after scoring 63% on an FF character, you're delusional. Unless you think Ultros is on the level of Tanner.

People really don't understand how weak Tanner is. I'm not saying Wily's as weak as Guybrush, but there's no reason for him not to be. He a crappy villain from a relatively unpopular series. I'm still confused about how he ended up higher than Sigma.

If you think Laharl would even put up a fight against Robotnik, you're out of your mind. It's Laharl. He's Robotnik. Laharl wouldn't win.

Arguments like that are why people took Kuja over Master Hand, and Gordon Freeman over Tina Armstrong.
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Samus will not benefit from SFF. Either the match will go as expected (56-44 or the likes of it), or Mario'll rSFF Samus to make it close and/or win. Being Mr. Nintendo doesn't mean a surefire win over a non-Link Nintendo character, BUT he won't ever be SFFed, either.
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People really don't understand how weak Tanner is. I'm not saying Wily's as weak as Guybrush, but there's no reason for him not to be. He a crappy villain from a relatively unpopular series. I'm still confused about how he ended up higher than Sigma.

He's from an unpopular series? Zero and Mega Man are two of the strongest characters we have seen in these contests.
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Arguments like that are why people took Kuja over Master Hand, and Gordon Freeman over Tina Armstrong.

And yet I got both of those matches right. Why? Because I knew more people knew who Master Hand was thanks to SSB and SSB:M, and I had no idea who either Gordon Freeman or Tina Armstrong was, so I went for the chick with the rack. Worked out fine for me.

People don't know Laharl. They know Robotnik. It's the same damn thing as Pac-Man/Ocelot.
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