I wasn't gonna bring up this fact or fiction until later, but I'm bored.

FACT or FICTION: Samus will break 55% on Mario.

I say fact.
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Fiction.

And you do understand that assuming there are no other factors in today's match, this would place Yoshi and Luigi almost on the level of Mario, if not on his level.
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Yoshi's beatin' the hell out of Pac right now. I just go to lookin' (dunno if anybody else pointed this out yet), Laharl would currently get 47.6% on Pac-Man...last year's adjusted stats expected Laharl to get 48.08% on Pac. I know it's already been mentioned about how Luigi/Pac is probably more accurate than many of us once thought, but I didn't see anybody make the correlation of strength between Pac and Laharl for these past two contests.
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Oh, and I'm gonna say FICTION, since Mario looks as good as ever to beat Samus right now.
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Has there ever been a topic that purged without getting to 500? Like, that one? *points to Part 231* >_>
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Laharl possibly beating Ocelot?

Ouch.

FACT OR FICTION:

Yoshi will beat Mega Man.

I say... *ahem* Fact. >_>


~RPGGamer~

Fact. Mega Man stands in Yoshi's path to the finals.
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Fact.

"this would place Yoshi and Luigi almost on the level of Mario"

And how much higher do you think that would place Mario? You don't honestly believe that they would be on the same level do you?

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How did I miss making Sora > Snake the 500 post?! ;_;
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I was gonna post Crazy Campbell quotes for 500 ;_;
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At this point I think its a pretty much overall Nintendo increase rather then just a Yoshi and Luigi increase, which means that Mario should get over 60% on Zero with ease and Samus should beat Mario. Well see what happens though.

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Laharl possibly beating Ocelot?

No, that would never happen. Laharl is cult and those characters can't get large-scale support.

I still think there is SSF in the Yoshi/Pac-Man match. Probably the Cuteness Factor or something.
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Well, nobody expected the Noble Nine to end with Yoshi > Mega Man. XD


~RPGGamer~

Samus will never beat Mario. Not in a million years.
No way will such a horrible character beat a slightly less horrible character, and the biggest video game icon ever.
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Samus will never beat Mario. Not in a million years.
No way will such a horrible character beat a slightly less horrible character, and the biggest video game icon ever.

Sadly, I was listening up to that second sentence.
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Why are you guys trying to come up with SFF in this match? Yoshi is just beating Pac-Man badly, as expected.
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5/18/05
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The statistics have to be made to match. It's a dirty job but someone's got to do it.
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Why are you guys trying to come up with SFF in this match? Yoshi is just beating Pac-Man badly, as expected.

It's sort of more along the lines that Ocelot wouldn't be expected to do this badly on Yoshi.
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I'd just like to point out that anyone expecting SFF in the Mario/Samus match is out of their minds. I don't see it happening: They may both be from Nintendo, but they're COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. There are no similarities between them, and they appeal to completely different fanbases. >_>;
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I'm not bringing the X-Stats into play: I'm just saying that I cannot see Yoshi getting better than a doubling on Ocelot.
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But has Ocelot actually faced Yoshi?

Honestly, people. Let the X-stats go. They're causing you to lose your minds
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And Kefka maybe weak, but I'd like to think he could manage more than 72% on Yoshi >_<
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Er, 28%
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I saw that, FD! MUAHA!
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Then you've thought wrong.
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And if you compare his performance on Pac-Man to Scorpions, it means he would get 67% on him, outdoing both Auron and Zero with ease.

Even if you don't follow the XP stats, there are those that do. And they should be organized as such
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What do Auron and Zero have to do with anything?

Have either of THEM faced Pac-Man this year or last? And besides, how would it hurt the Xstats if Yoshi *gasp* ranked ABOVE Auron and Zero?
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So Kefka can get 43% on Knuckles without much trouble, and Yoshi should suddenly blow him away with over 70%?

Honestly, the difference isn't THAT high.
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What do Auron and Zero have to do with anything?

Even if you don't follow the XP stats, there are those that do. And they should be organized as such
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And what reason do you have to say that besides your own personal opinion?

And besides, are you Kefka off of his performance against Pac-Man in 03? Enough characters have changed since then that I'd think you'd let it go.
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5/18/05
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Damn, I shouldn't type when I just wake up.

Are you BASING Kefka off of 03.
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From: Yesmar | Posted: 9/4/2005 8:11:14 AM | #046
I have a question about Link Vs. Mega Man "SFF."

Why are people so willing to believe Yoshi/Luigi Vs. Pac-Man SFF, but they won't accept Link Vs. Mega Man SFF?

It's the same principle. One character (Pac-Man/Mega Man) does well based on legacy alone. However, once they face another character of "legend"* status, they collapse. Obviously, Mega Man has more actual fans than Pac-Man so he doesn't collapse by nearly as much. Link didn't SFF Crono or any one else that was on a system he was on, because this a problem specific to Mega Man himself. It's not something that would happen whenever two characters from the same system meet, which was one of the main arguments against this theory.


*Obviously a broader term to Pac-Man than to Mega Man.

That's exactly what I think. With more and newer voters in the polls, the degree to which the character is mainstream creates another factor. Pac Man is pretty well known while Big Boss is not. This lets Pac Man crush him (Win) much more easily. Now that Yoshi is so much more popular and better known, Pac Man is losing by a little more than "expected."

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Period.

Now you all are saying that we need to create a factor that accounts or a character being more popular than another character...when will it end?
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Well obviously if you ignore the facets of the XP stats, you won't understand the nature of the adjustments. Whether you use them or not, it's nice to at least understand how they work. And if you don't, it's pointless to argue.
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Eh, I don't know if Pac-Man and Mega Man suffer the exact same thing. Pac-Man is known by everyone, just not too favored. They'll vote him over a lesser-popular character (like Ocelot of Kefka), but not over a more favored/liked one (Luigi and Yoshi). That's where the SFF lies, IMO.

Mega Man however has his fanbase. Apparently though, a part of his fanbase likes Link more than him. I don't want to call it SFF, but...I don't know what else there is.
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You all realize what you're saying?

You're saying that there must be adjustments made because Pac-Man can beat characters less popular than him, but can't beat characters more popular than him.

While we're at it, let's adjust CJ. He's popular here, just not as popular as Ness, so we should adjust the Xstats to reflect this odd phenomena known as "the popularity contest". Let's call it PCF.
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Actually they're making adjustments so Pac-Man's performance against other fodder would be more indicative of said fodder's actual performance against other more popular characters based on other established statistical information so that their value is not underrated.

Like I said, it's XP stats. If you don't like it, tough. That doesn't make them change.
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Deus is god damn awesome. I'm glad someone else sees my point of view about Xst fanboys.

From: creativename | Posted: 9/4/2005 2:24:03 AM | Message Detail | #402
I think that Luigi/Pac-Man was a fluke/SFF affected, so I don't expect Yoshi to match Luigi here

heh

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Though for the record, I don't think it's impossible to say that Pac Man was SFFd by Yoshi and Luigi. It's hard to imagine Pac Man being that low natually, then turning around and beating Ocelot. Either Ocelot overperformed to hell and back against Bowser, or his egg laying against Wily and Nemesis were completely legit.

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You're right n00b. I don't know what I was thinking. The Xstats weren't meant to show how popular a character is, but rather show how popular a characters should be. Yuri would've been in the Final Four if he hadn't faced Samus.
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5/18/05
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Do you believe that Yoshi has any shot at Megaman, Ulti?

pac-man is probably the strangest character in the field.
against semi-obscure characters he wins but against those with semi decent exposure he gets creamed to hell and back
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You're right n00b. I don't know what I was thinking. The Xstats weren't meant to show how popular a character is, but rather show how popular a characters should be. Yuri would've been in the Final Four if he hadn't faced Samus.

Well yes. You're forgetting the XP stats are a community of many different numerical values.

Adjusting Pac-Man higher when he would realistically score lower against most of the competition is not an accurate representation of him. But at the same time, it fixes any possible opponent that he would run into that would statistically perform better against more popular characters than he would. Thus, giving Pac-Man a theoretical value fixes more potential problems at the cost of screwing up his own value alone. And it's not like it applies to all of his opponents. He didn't fall apart this badly against Scorpion, for example. But that's the only example so far.
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From: dethfdddddh | Posted: 9/4/2005 1:37:24 PM | Message Detail | #096
Do you believe that Yoshi has any shot at Megaman, Ulti?

?

Of course not.

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By the way, I have PCA writeups for the following matches:

Mario/Ness
Snake/Zelda
Kirby/Tidus
Bowser/Ryu

If anyone feels like writing for the other four matches, feel free.

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