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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 231
From: bigkevinm84 | Posted: 9/3/2005 5:01:59 PM | Message Detail
Questioning on whether or not Yoshi will break 60 tomorrow? Pah. You should be asking whether he can break 70. I think he'll fall just a bit under 70, with about 69 and a half. I predicted Yoshi's last match almost perfectly, and expect to get it close again, I know how my green dino will do.

And I feel so sorry for Mega Man here... But I WILL believe that he can still take out Sonic. I will believe that until I see that match for myself. But, I'm not entirely confident that he will, I gotta have hope.

Mega Man vs. Yoshi is going to be a tough match to watch. I don't want to see Mega Man bombing by barely winning, but I don't want too see Yoshi look weak... Ugh...
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 9/3/2005 5:20:40 PM | Message Detail
I think today's match is mostly Leon's strength rather than Mega Man's weakness.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 50/62 points
Current Match Prediction: Yoshi vs. Revolver Ocelot
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 9/3/2005 5:33:01 PM | Message Detail
20XX Division Round 2 - Match 48 – (3)Yoshi vs. (7)Pac-Man

Yoshi - Enjoys licking things more than I do.
Round 1 – vs. Laharl (Yoshi: 73.66% - Laharl: 26.34%)

Yoshi shows power, as he almost triples Laharl.

Pac-Man - If we all ate dots, we’d be a much healthier nation.
Round 1 – vs. Ocelot (Pac-Man: 51.25% - Yoshi: 48.75%)

Pac-Man won….that’s shocking, seeing as how he hasn’t since 2002.

Well…this is interesting. Easy, but interesting. 2 polls tell the story of this match.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1721 – Luigi/Pac-Man
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1751 – Yoshi/Luigi

Yoshi > Luigi > Pac-Man. So, yeah. That’s about it. Hope you enjoyed your win Pac, because it could be the last one you ever see. *gives a farewell hand-gesture*

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Yoshi will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Yoshi: 69% - Pac-Man: 31%



Ulti’s Analysis

(Special note from Ulti: I'm either getting married or on my honeymoon as you're reading this, so know that all of my second round writeups will suck. I'm doing the same short writeups that I did for the last round, because I don't have time to be extensive.)

(Special note from Moltar: My last Special Note! Oh noes =’( *sob*)

\m/ Pac Man > Ocelot!! \m/

..but not Yoshi :(

Prediction: Yoshi with 69.14%



Soul’s Analysis

How they got here

Yoshi defeated Laharl: 73.66% - 26.34%

Pac-Man defeated Ocelot: 51.25% - 48.75%


Another snorefest here folks. Although Pac-Man made a huge upset in round 1 by defeating the heavy favorite Ocelot, we know that Pac-Man is weaker then Yoshi. In 2004, Yoshi and Pac-Man were involved in the same 4-pack. Luigi defeated Pac-Man before losing to Yoshi. The victor is no doubt going to be Yoshi here. And really, what else needs to be said?

My prediction: Yoshi wins with 69% of the vote. Round 3, here we come!



Outback’s Analysis

Pac-Man/Ocelot was merely proof that Yoshi would've murdalized (murtalized?) Ocelot. Pac-Guy, however, would absolutely own Yoshi.

Yoshi with 70.00%
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Mega Man vs. Leon - Bracket: Mega - Vote: Leon (52/60)
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 9/3/2005 5:33:10 PM | Message Detail
Inviso’s Analysis

Well…this is the final match of round 2. Last round, Pac Man joined the ranks of Knuckles and Tommy Vercetti, pulling a supreme upset victory over Revolver Ocelot. Now, Pac Man, for a long time, has been known as little more than fodder. He was beaten by Kefka (that’s right…Kefka) and then Luigi last year. And now, here he is, beating a guy that held his own against Bowser. This just goes to show you that the Spring Contest stats can not be used in any sort of rational reasoning in the REAL contest. Yoshi owned Laharl, obviously, and it seems a sure thing that he’ll go on to beat Pac Man this round. After all, Yoshi beat Luigi, who beat Pac Man last year. And Yoshi WAS voted the most popular Mario character in a multi-character poll. I think Pac-Man will go home dejected once more, knowing that at least he finally won a match against someone who wasn’t completely pathetic.

My Bracket: Revolver Ocelot
My Vote: Pac Man
My Prediction: Yoshi with 69.22%



Tnote’s Analysis

Stop me if you have heard this one before. Yoshi beats Luigi, who doubled Pac Man. Wow, this will be a super beating. So, what does it mean when Yoshi struggles to break 60%? It means the X-Stats make amazing toilet paper! I refuse to believe that Ocelot can get doubled by Bowser, who beat Yoshi, magically changed in a few months. No matter what happens with this match, the X-Stats are up **** creek without a paddle. Bowser says Yoshi cannot possibly double Pac Man, while Luigi says that he cannot possibly not double him. Bowser strikes me as more of the beacon of consistency, so I will take that route.

Pick: Yoshi with 58.27%



Vlado’s Analysis

What a shame... Ocelot lost against Pac-Man in Round 1, and it was such an embarrassing match for him and his fans... Was the spring contest just a fluke? Did Bowser overperform against Sephiorth, making Ocelot look much stronger than he actually is? Or did Ocelot himself overperform against Bowser? Who knows... All I know is that his spring value was way from accurate... I expected him to double Pac-Man, and he lost horribly, by over 2,000 votes, despite having the bracket vote on his side.

Well, enough about Ocelot. If you didn't know I liked him by now, you already do. I really think he was overestimated by the spring stats. Sure, Pac-Man has gotten a little stronger since last year, but I really doubt it's more than a percent or two, maybe three. Simply, Yoshi has this. He's a Nintendo character, and that's pretty much all he needs. His performance against Laharl was pretty much normal and we can expect a pretty much similar win against Pac-Man now. However, Yoshi has no chance in hell against Rockman.

Predicted percentage: Yoshi with 69.21%.

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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Mega Man vs. Leon - Bracket: Mega - Vote: Leon (52/60)
From: Aprosenf | Posted: 9/3/2005 5:38:53 PM | Message Detail
It means the X-Stats make amazing toilet paper!

I don't know about you, but printer paper makes for terrible toilet paper. I'll stick with the Charmin any day of the week.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener
From: Tediz247 | Posted: 9/3/2005 5:45:15 PM | Message Detail
Wow, everyone except Tnote within one percent of each other. That's a bit surprising.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]
From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/3/2005 6:13:31 PM | Message Detail
I don't know why people can't believe that Pac-Man may have been underrated...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/3/2005 6:13:47 PM | Message Detail
I personally don't think Yoshi will outdo Luigi myself.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Devil Division Final: (5)Vincent Valentine
From: Starion | Posted: 9/3/2005 6:16:22 PM | Message Detail
Me too. Methinks Yoshi will lay an egg in that match.
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/3/2005 6:20:04 PM | Message Detail
Well, I just think Luigi overperformed there. Yoshi MIGHT, but I don't know if it'd be to the extent Luigi did.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Devil Division Final: (5)Vincent Valentine
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/3/2005 6:34:31 PM | Message Detail
Tnote wins. I don't think Yoshi's old enough to be able to SFF Pac-Man.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani
From: steve illumina | Posted: 9/3/2005 6:36:09 PM | Message Detail
Yah..I am here...

Who missed the Sage of Board 8???
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Steve Illumina: 'Sage of Board 8', Adored by Elites, Hated by Fanbabies, Loved by Girly Gamers!
From: Aprosenf | Posted: 9/3/2005 7:05:04 PM | Message Detail
Ah, Mr. better-than-Ragnorak has returned. You disappeared once Vincent whalloped Kerrigan. I see you've finally recovered?
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener
From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 9/3/2005 7:12:02 PM | Message Detail
Off-topic...

Talk about easy RPGs... it may be impossible to get lost in Secret Of Mana.

Hero: I have no idea what to do next... I'd better ask for directions.
NPC: Hey! Are you going to the Cave of Mystery, which is north of here, past the dwarves' village, up the Mystic Mountain, near the tall rocks and behind the waterfall? Because that's where you should go.
Hero: Wow, you must know the cave very well!
NPC: No, never heard of it. Just a hunch.

>_<

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
World Champion: Gyruss, Link's Awakening, Mega Man X, Solstice, Super Mario World, Zombies Ate My Neighbors
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/3/2005 7:19:51 PM | Message Detail
That's RPG NPCs for you.

Of course, for quality lines, nothing beats Pokémon RBY/FRLG.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani
From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 9/3/2005 7:20:16 PM | Message Detail
Hey! You're not wearing shorts!

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
World Champion: Gyruss, Link's Awakening, Mega Man X, Solstice, Super Mario World, Zombies Ate My Neighbors
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/3/2005 7:22:06 PM | Message Detail
My analysis has Yoshi with 65%, but I can see him going below 60%.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)
From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/3/2005 7:22:41 PM | Message Detail
They're delightfully comfy and easy to wear!
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 9/3/2005 7:24:51 PM | Message Detail
I think Yoshi will get about 64%
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Return of SF1: YOU DON'T HAVE A CASE!
makeyourchance: Yes I do! It's Samsonite.
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/3/2005 8:23:25 PM | Message Detail
For as much as I love wearing shorts I'm a bit weary of going into tall grass while wearing them. I don't liek being all itchy.
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.
From: bigkevinm84 | Posted: 9/3/2005 8:42:28 PM | Message Detail
Wow.. this topic is going slow...
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/3/2005 8:43:50 PM | Message Detail
Yeah! C'mon! The feverish and hotly contested match of Yoshi/Pac-Man is mere moments away! Let's start the anticipating!
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!
From: bigkevinm84 | Posted: 9/3/2005 8:44:26 PM | Message Detail
-_-;;
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/3/2005 8:45:52 PM | Message Detail
Nothing to talk about, Round 3 is going to be so boring.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/3/2005 8:46:18 PM | Message Detail
You mean bland and boring, right?
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 9/3/2005 8:48:58 PM | Message Detail
So we think--but then again, look how the Gauntlet turned out compared to the later non-hyped matches later on. I'm betting that a couple of matches in Round 3 surprise us...and if I had to bank on a close one besides perhaps Sonic/Tifa, I'm betting Ganondorf surprises us all and avoids the SFF from Samus and comes much closer than he should...

...or he'll just get another 85%+ blowout. ;_;
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/3/2005 8:50:20 PM | Message Detail
There's only one match that could be interesting and thats Squall/Vincent, but then again round 3 for most contests on GameFAQs are boring (except 2k2 and Games)
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/3/2005 9:36:49 PM | Message Detail
Basically all the Sweet Sixteen will tell us is what to expect from the Elite Eight.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Devil Division Final: (5)Vincent Valentine
From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/3/2005 9:41:42 PM | Message Detail
In a little more than 2 hours, I think everyone on the board will suddenly begin to feel happy. Nothing to do with the Yoshi/Pac-Man match pic or anything...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/3/2005 9:52:28 PM | Message Detail
Not gonna be able to stay up for the beginning of Yoshi/Pac-Man, so I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say Mega Man will have much less bracket support than we would normally expect. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 72% or so.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Devil Division Final: (5)Vincent Valentine
From: Majin Lou | Posted: 9/3/2005 9:52:48 PM | Message Detail
*hopes for Pac-Man to get over 40% on Yoshi*

YOU CAN DO EET!
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Kurotsuchi Mayuri fan
Supporter of Squall Leonhart in the Summer 2k5 Character Battle IV
From: creativename | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:07:16 PM | Message Detail
Yesterday I said that Sonic/Mega Man might be hotly debated, but Sonic might actually be quite a solid favorite by the time the match comes around. Very underwhelming performance today.

The percentage Yoshi can get in this next match is extremely unpredictable. From under 60% to close to 70%, depending on what past matches you place your faith in.
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From: RamzaB | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:13:37 PM | Message Detail
I think Vincent/Squall might be very close if the FF Fanbase splits, as it very easily could, the two don't appear to be that far apart.
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Vincent WILL break 60% on Dante.
(Place Holder for sig bet with YoYoChamp made 3/24/05)
From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:15:13 PM | Message Detail
I don't know... based on what I've seen from Mega Man in these contests, and what I've seen from Sonic... I don't see Sonic doing the same things that Mega Man has. Outperforming Mario on Sephiroth... Beating Snake with 57% of the vote...
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:24:03 PM | Message Detail
"In a little more than 2 hours, I think everyone on the board will suddenly begin to feel happy."

I'll be in second with Alanna in 1st?
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.
From: SonicRaptor | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:25:44 PM | Message Detail
I'm still going to hope Mega Man beats Sonic because that's in my bracket.
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Today's subliminal thought is:
From: bigkevinm84 | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:39:27 PM | Message Detail
Mega Man should get good bracket support... I'd supect around 70% at least...
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:42:29 PM | Message Detail
MM isn't known for his bracket support, really.
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:44:02 PM | Message Detail
I think Mega Man will take 63% of the brackets here.
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Return of SF1: YOU DON'T HAVE A CASE!
makeyourchance: Yes I do! It's Samsonite.
From: Heroic Dr Wily | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:44:14 PM | Message Detail
Mega Man will probably get less than 40% because of Gordon.

Hell, Mega Man and Zero are probably the worse in bracket support.
From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:47:13 PM | Message Detail
I'm shocked, nay, absolutely floored, that nobody went under 68% with Yoshi. Not gonna lie; I definitely think I lowballed Yoshi, but as Slow said, in my mind Luigi got some old-school SFF on PacMan, something I do not expect Yoshi to benefit from.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 51/58 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)
From: Starion | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:48:43 PM | Message Detail
Er. Mine is 57% and I am sticking by it no matter how crazy it seems.
From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:48:45 PM | Message Detail
Mega Man will most likely have 60% or lower thanks to the usual overestimating of Gordon Freeman by casuals.
From: therealmnm | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:51:08 PM | Message Detail
I'll be in second with Alanna in 1st?

Heh... live it up while you can. I think we have the same bracket from now on, except I have Vincent winning the Devil division and you have Magus.

So if Vincent wins... My bracket > yours :P
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."
From: Aprosenf | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:54:50 PM | Message Detail
Anyone remember my ginormous least-squares regression I did before the contest? To refresh your memory, I assigned a popularity value variable to each entrant for each contest they appeared in, and then I created a set of constraint equations: one equation for each match in each contest, and an equation constraining the strength variations of each character from year to year. I then used a program to find the values that minimized the sum of the squares of the errors of the actual results and the predicted results.

Well, I've modified my program in the following ways: I've added all the match data for the current contest up through today's match, and I also added some constraints for characters that have appeared in multiple non-consecutive contests (e.g. Zelda), so I created an artificial strength value for her in 2004 and constrained the 2003-2004 and 2004-2005 relationships, which is somewhat looser than directly constraining the 2003-2005 variation. Previously there was no constraint in this type of situation.

Anyways, here is what my new stats predict for the rest of the contest:

Vincent > Squall
Sonic > Tifa
Samus > Mario
Bowser > Snake
Sonic > Mega Man
Samus > Sephiroth

Also, Yoshi will get 64.96% tomorrow, due to Yoshi decreasing about a percent, Pac-Man increasing about a percent and a half, Laharl increasing about a percent, and Ocelot decreasing about half a percent.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener
From: Heroic Dr Wily | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:54:53 PM | Message Detail
Okay, I just saw that Zero diden't even have 55% in his four pack, Mega Man isen't going to get close to 60% with GF in there.
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:56:06 PM | Message Detail
Meh.
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.
From: LordOfDabu | Posted: 9/3/2005 10:57:34 PM | Message Detail
Anyways, here is what my new stats predict for the rest of the contest:

Vincent > Squall
Sonic > Tifa
Samus > Mario
Bowser > Snake
Sonic > Mega Man
Samus > Sephiroth


By how much though?
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There is only one war of the brood!
From: Aprosenf | Posted: 9/3/2005 11:04:01 PM | Message Detail
Ah, right. My stats have, pre-SFF:

Vincent over Squall with 52.09%
Sonic over Tifa with 51.91%
Samus over Mario with 54.36% (I'm sorry, HM, I really am, that's what my stats say)
Bowser over Snake with 52.02%
Sonic over Mega Man with 50.79%
Samus over Sephiroth with 50.69%

So, some of the matches it predicts to very close, and depending on SFF (if it exists), some matches might go the other way.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 9/3/2005 11:09:14 PM | Message Detail
Everytime I look at the match picture it makes me feel warm inside. Is that wrong?
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)
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