Doesn't Peach have a DS game coming out? That could help her.

Yoshimitsu and Sub-Zero are the only fighters who should be given serious consideration. Well, maybe Akuma, too. I'd like to see what he'd do.
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I think Nightmare might be alittle above the fodder line...
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Why only them? Soul Calibur barely lost to Kingdom Hearts. I can see tons of characters doing good. Nightmare, Yoshimitsu, Kilik, Xianghua, Cassandra, Raphael...
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Akuma is the only fighter left that could do anything amazing.

Fighting games are one of the best examples of games =/= characters. I would like SC characters to do well, but unfortunately I would be surprised to see one as a midcarder.
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Just because Soul Calibur as a game did well doesn't mean its characters would (why hello there, Kerrigan). Yoshimitsu (and MAYBE Nightmare) are the only ones I could see being worth a spot.
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It's not like Peach is that popular in SSBM anyway. I'd surely take Toad over her and I wouldn't look back. I'd actually take Toad over anybody on that list other than Nightmare without thinking. (actually certain FF6 characters would make me think too)

Nightmare could actually be somewhat respectable. Maybe above Scorpion if he's lucky.

But Raiden, Raiden I say! You must know the nature of his SFF.
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You sure Yoshimitsu isn't just a board favorite? I've always considered Nightmare, Kilik, & Ivy to be the best possible reps for the series. I've been waiting for one of these guys to get in since the games contest.

After seeing what Ocelot and Big Boss did, Raiden's not worth taking a spot until MGS4.
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But from what I hear, Kerrigan is only in single player mode, which most people don't play. You can't play a fighter without the fighters. I think Kingdom Hearts as a game is more likeable than Sora himself, and look how strong he is.

Isn't Soul Calibur supposed to be one of the best games of all time? And Soul Calibur II sold excellently, didn't it? Combined with the huge release of Soul Calibur III, I really can't see any significant character being fodder.
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I'd say Yoshimitsu because he has the added benefit of being in Tekken as well.
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I'd like to see Nightmare in the contest... I mean, SC would probably be > Tekken, and Tekken got their rep into the contest. Nightmare will be the best choice if we could get some nomination support for him next year. I like Maxi, Cassandra, and Kilik better, but Nightmare would do the best...

Also, Fox and/or Aeris really need to come back. Them, and Tails and/or Shadow..
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Raiden is undoubtedly more potentially powerful than Ocelot and Big Boss, as he has the benefit of being a main character. The only question is if the MGS fans will rally behind him. He's quite known, to the point of infamy (unlike Ocelot and Big Boss, who are fan favorites), but he may not garner the votes necessary to make a dent in the competition.
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After seeing what Terra and Cecil did, we shouldn't nominate FF6 or FF4 characters anymore. After seeing what Wario did, we shouldn't nominate Peach, either.

...

Raiden's worth taking just to see if he'd be higher than Ocelot. I think he would. And damn it, I want resolution before he gets a boost of any sort.

And yeah, that's the only reason I'd think Yoshimitsu has the ability to be stronger than Nightmare... Tekken. But I'd still put my money on Nightmare... Soul Calibur is probably >> Tekken in popularity here, and I don't think Yoshimitsu's especially popular in Soul Calibur.
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Yoshimitsu, Nightmare, or Kilik would be the best SC reps. I'm actually leaning a bit toward Kilik, as his mug is on the box, but if I had to pick a pony here and now I'd go with Nightmare.
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I honestly can't see any SC characters being worth much. None are particulary memorable... Not to say that Jin is either though.

Nightmare is the closest thing you'll get to a main character in Soul Calibur. He's well liked anyway. Add the recognizability factor in and he's easily the strongest rep.
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Well, yeah, that's the other thing--I don't think SC reps would be that powerful either. I'd say they could win a fodder matchup, but would die against anything more than a low midcarder, if that.

But it's not exactly so bad for SC. After all, they've already had a rep in the contest, and he's won it twice now. <_<
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Yoshimitsu, Nightmare, or Kilik would be the best SC reps. I'm actually leaning a bit toward Kilik, as his mug is on the box, but if I had to pick a pony here and now I'd go with Nightmare.

Heh, funny how you bring up the cover, since Nightmare will actually be the logo for SC3.

Yoshimitsu also appears in Tekken. Go with him.

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heh, i just noticed that MC and Vercetti finished with exactly the same number of votes. that has to be a contest first.

Even more amusing that each of these victories in particular are gonna be followed by a whooping at the hands of Crono.
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I personally think that at least Sub-Zero is practically a sure fire midcarder. He shouldn't be far off from Scorpion, and there's a chance of being stronger.
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Yoshimitsu isn't actually the same character in Tekken as he is in Soul Calibur. Nominations would have to go to one rather than the other to get him in.
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The problem with Sub Zero is... he could get picture screwed. I think a MK3 style pic (IE not Ninja) could really hurt him. I don't think he'd be any stronger than Scorpion, anyways.

That is pretty funny... will Vincent get 50165 votes next round?
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Seems like the Squaresoft night vote has arrived.
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That is pretty funny... will Vincent get 50165 votes next round?

As long as the match clears 100,330 votes, I can live with that.
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From: Sir Bormun | Posted: 9/2/2005 7:59:16 PM | Message Detail | #101

What about Seifer? Especially after KH2, he could be interesting to see in there.

Seifer might perform decently, but i don't like any FF8 characters, so i personally wouldn't support any of them.


Aw hell naw. Your list is atrocious, Cyko. I'd put my money on Raiden to beat any of them... but Mai just takes the cake...

Mai would beat Raiden. BOOK IT!!

From: Sir Crono | Posted: 9/2/2005 8:01:08 PM | Message Detail | #103
Kain, Peach, and Mai would be fodder. I really don't have much confidence in Peach being able to do anything.

Peach fodder? no way. she may not be a near-elite, but she would definitely be better than fodder. heck, Wario is barely fodder if not above, and i would easily take Peach over Wario.

and i could also see Yoshimitsu doing pretty well, seeing how he has Tekken AND Soul Calibur to draw from. especially after Jin didn't bomb nearly as horribly as we thought he would. but, personally, i don't really care for Yoshimitsu that much.

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I'm not so sure I'd put Peach beating Wario. Peach is a character that, while highly recognized, has little fanbase to speak of that I notice. Look at the "favorite Mario character?" poll. (I don't care that they're not accurate... you can draw something from them) Most of it comes from Super Mario Bros. 2, where she was awesome.

Then again, Toad is also a huge favorite in Super Mario Bros. 2, so yeah...
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The problem with Sub Zero is... he could get picture screwed. I think a MK3 style pic (IE not Ninja) could really hurt him.

That's pretty much Subby's only flaw, but even then it shouldn't hurt him much. Still, he's got plenty of Ninja pictures to draw from, and it doesn't hurt that his Shredder look from Deception looks immensely badass as well.

I don't think he'd be any stronger than Scorpion, anyways.

That's what I thought, too, as Scorpion is the most popular character overall in the general population. However, I was pointed to this relatively recent poll:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1788

So he's got the potential.
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I think Sub-Zero would be quite strong in this contest.
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Come to think of it, I think I've changed my top three nominations for next contest.

1.) Raiden (let's see how he does without SFF)
2.) Aeris (snub, et cetera)
3.) Sub-Zero (let's see how much more powerful than Scorps he can be)
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Peach fodder? no way. she may not be a near-elite, but she would definitely be better than fodder. heck, Wario is barely fodder if not above, and i would easily take Peach over Wario.


Yeah, but Wario 2k3 is overrated by a huge amount. I still think that Peach would demolish Wario, and would probably be around 25% on BL.

Oh, and Toad would suck pretty hard. Almost nobody likes Toad, in my experience.
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never underestimate SSBM, Lopen. for that reason alone, Peach would beat Wario.

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Wow, I didn't know he beat Scorpion by that much. Pretty impressive.

I love the Shredder look and the ninja look. But I can personally say that if Sub Zero were to be MK3 Subs, it would very likely cost him a vote from me. And, looking at what CJ did with Hayabusa and others... I wouldn't trust Sub Zero... heh heh.

I don't think SSBM helps Peach much, she's not one of the more popular characters in it, and she was already well established beforehand.

I know personal experience is a bad meter for popularity, but I can personally vouch for Toad's popularity in Mario Kart. I'd say a good 80% of the people I've played it with will usually scramble for Toad first... myself included.
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Yeah, there's always the chance of CJ pulling a Hayabusa or the like on Sub-Zero. But there'd be little excuse for it, as Subby has a LOT of great pictures throughout the net, and most are official art. And I'd hope that he'd get such pictures for his round two matches, and stick with the MK3 pictures for stuff like fodder (which he should dispose of even with a bad pic).

But regardless, I think we need to rally for Sub-Zero. He's not only a fan-favorite from the board, he seems to have legitimate poll strength. He could make a run at being a pretty damn decent midcarder.
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I'd probably nominate old Subs. Maybe Nightmare. None of the other characters that anyone else has mentioned yet, though.
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and come on guys, for Mai Shiranui vs. Raiden, which would you vote for:

Mai -

http://www.planetdreamcast.com/orochinagi/cyberfan/stuff/wall/mai-shiranui.jpg

Raiden -

http://www.evilgodzilla.com/spy/diary/raiden-naked.jpg

Mai would totally pull in the casual votes. =P

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What about Seifer? Especially after KH2, he could be interesting to see in there.

I said that right after he was announced to be in the game. Unfortunately, he's a kid in the game, though he DOES look like a pimp.

They seem to make every new school FF character a kid.
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Heh, just what I thought after Tifa's match vs. Vyse. She was getting the FFVII vote, because Vyse is to obscure of a character to actually split in betwen of Cloud and Tifa.

I had a feeling that it would take a character who was quite recognizable to give us a true reading on Tifa. Luigi, who is about as recognizable as they get, splits the Cloud fans from Tifa much more effectively than Vyse, and Sonic now should go ahead and take her out next round...

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I'm sorry, but I can no longer function normally after Lopen just tried to reprogram me with that Toad > Peach lie.
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Well, my noms for next year so far (subject to change):

1) Sub-Zero
2) Fei Fong Wong
3) Fox McCloud
4) Shadow the Hedgehog
5) Raiden (MGS2)
6) Yoshimitsu
7) Captain Falcon
8) Leon Kennedy
9) Cid Highwind
10) Seifer Almasy

Yeah, I threw that list together in a few minutes.
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That's quite obvious since Shadow the Hedgehog is on it.
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They aren't necessarily characters I like, just characters I think would not be fodder (except for Fei).
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I still say Akuma would own Sub-Zero in a poll here.

Numbers 7 and 9 would be fodder.
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Cid was in FFVII and KH. That automatically does not make him fodder.
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I nominated Fei (and Id) last year. he'd likely be around Vyse's level, but it would rule to at least give him a shot.
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I think Fei would probably be just a bit above Vyse. It'd be worth it to give him a shot though.
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Captain Falcon I can see being barely above the fodder line, thanks to the F-Zero series, but mostly SSB and SSB:M. Still, I don't think he'd be able to do much damage.
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