For what it's worth, the Tomb Raider 2 movie was released literally the weekend before the Zelda/Lara match.
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But just for my own edification, what would Aeris be expected to score on Luigi?
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so tifa not as strong as we all thought heh. well sonic ought to beat her then
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If this continues, I won't look at their (Vincent and Tifa) performances as disappointing in any sense. This is, for all intents and purposes, exactly what they were supposed to do; heck, Vincent may very well win one more match than most of us gave him credit for. With their awe-inspiring first round victories, expectations were sky high, but even if Tifa loses to Sonic and Vincent bows out to Squall, neither dropped the ball.
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There's correlation, but not enough to really infer anything. I don't know what you're trying to prove here, Ramza.

Believe what you want.
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Turned out I'm not goin' to bed just yet; I have a lil' unfinished homework, heh. Something did catch my attention though...

1) Summer 2003 - Final Four - (1) Link [71438] vs (1) Cloud [76199] - 147637

...looks at how many votes Link got. Then look at 2k2; NOBODY had got that many votes in a match, period; win or loss, nobody even cracked 70,000 in a match. Then, checkin' out the rest of the contests, 49 has had a match where somebody broke 71,438 votes in a match...Link/Cloud is the only time anybody has ever lost with 70,000+ votes, and the other 48 has ranged from nearly 91-9 (Link/AiAi) to almost 60-40 (Sephiroth/Mega Man #2).


Since I was awake, I thought I'd spew those fun-facts. Now, doin' my homework and goin' to bed for real this time. G-nite ya'll.
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There are probably about as many exceptions for cases for vote totals as there are solid cases. Seriously.

%ages, while they also have exceptions, seem to be in general much more reliable.
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Well when you think about it sonic does have a lot of underwhelming performances against characters weaker then him, even if he does always come out victorious on them.
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well, it depends on what you think of Luigi; for example, if Tifa gets 56% here, is she stronger than Squall? Squall got 60% on Luigi, but I'd take Tifa over Squall even without SFF. I guess that's my way of saying that Luigi has increased.
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i think in terms of FF's it goes cloud>sephiroth>squall>tifa>auron>vincent>the rest
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There is a correlation, but how the hell do you judge anything by it??

It's a way to judge new characters when we don't have anything else to go by. When Vincent hit 79,000 against Kerrigan, Dante was done. The only question was how much Vincent would beat him by. As it turns out, I guessed high. It doesn't change the fact that Dante was never going to beat a character who could pull down 79,000 votes.
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Yeah but Vincent's 79,000 made him look much stronger than he was. What if he faced Bowser? Going by vote totals its a sure thing. But he would have probably lost.
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"Believe what you want"? I just want to know how I'm supposed to use this. I'm tempted to do an average vote totals thing... but hell, for now lets just analyse the matches in round 1 of this tourney.

Ness's match got more (equal) votes than Mario's.
Zero's got more than Lloyd's.
Frog's got decisively more than Samus's.
Ganondorf's got decisively more than Auron's.
Zelda's got WAY more than Snake's.
Alucard's got a little more than Sora's.
Tidus's got well more than Kirby's.
Ryu's got more than Bowser's.
Master Chief's > DK's.
Kefka's >= Crono's.
Vincent's > Dante's.
Knuckles's > Squall's.
Sonic's > Diablo's.
Luigi's >> Tifa's.

Right now, if you were to predict based on vote totals you'd get... 5/14 of them correct... that's not looking too hot.
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arguments I swore I'd never have again:

importance of vote totals
definition of day vote
ridiculous SFF arguments

I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of others, but those cover half the stats topic.
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By looking at this match, I'm guessing Squall > Vincent.

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Actually, Vincent-Bowser would be tough to call for me, even after Bowser-Ryu. As people so forthrightly noted before Vincent-Dante, there are plenty of reasons why Dante could have done better than in previous years.
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you know what this match reminds me of? Snake > Zelda. I've heard people say that Tifa would beat Snake, so I ask: Zelda or Luigi?
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I'd take Zelda over Luigi and never, ever look back.
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Yeah, I'd probably take Dante if he were to rematch against Ryu, at this point, actually.
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so would I. Tifa might not be as strong as people think. it's still early, though.
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actually a sonic vs megaman match cjayc could make a super closeup so the match picturesi all blue and you're left trying to figure out which blue belongs to whom
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Right now, if you were to predict based on vote totals you'd get... 5/14 of them correct... that's not looking too hot.

I was talking about individual vote totals. I put up the highest match totals period because most of them were still excellent examples of what I was referring to. If you want to see the highest individual vote totals ever, there's a link to the all time lists in the first post. Goodnight.
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If KOS-MOS is static Tifa is doing pretty well here.
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If kos-mos is static then luigi could beat some of the noble nine.
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Assuming constant KOS-MOS, Tifa is right on par with Sonic.
From: lettuce Kefka | Posted: 9/2/2005 9:16:56 AM | Message Detail
Constant KOS-MOS gives Luigi about 32%, which to me seems pretty reasonable and based on Tifa current percentage I get Tifa to be around 35-36%, which in on par with '04 Sonic.

Just a thought.
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KOS-MOS being static seems like a pretty ridiculous assumption at this point. Unless, of course, Yoshi rSFFed Luigi...
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Constant KOS-MOS gives Luigi about 32%

Nevermind then, I remember someone saying during the match between luigi and kos-mos that if kos-mos was static luigi could possibly beat mario. I guess that's wrong then.

Still, I think kos-mos was overrated a bit in 2k4 along with ryu (both by a few percentage points on bl). Assuming a static 2k3 kos-mos, where would this put tifa?
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KOS-MOS being static seems like a pretty ridiculous assumption at this point. Unless, of course, Yoshi rSFFed Luigi...

mario ds could give luigi a boost. Nothing near what he'd need to do what he did to a static kos-mos, but he could potentially be around 28% or so on bl I think.
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Still not an excellent indicator... why?

Cloud
Link
The Legend of Zelda
Mega Man
Final Fantasy 7
Sephiroth
Mario
Crono
Final Fantasy
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
Solid Snake
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Samus
Super Mario World
Sonic the Hedgehog 2

These are the 15 that appear on that list. About 1/3rd of them aren't even what I'd call "elite".

You've also got to realize that, as these characters/games tended to be highly seeded in these matches, they got the best of fodder to go against. Characters/games that are capable of pulling numbers like this won't ever be seen, because they'll never get a 1 or 2 seed, and thus will likely face a character actually capable of taking some of their votes.

Final thought on this for now. Ta ta.
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Here's something for you. I guess people consider Squall, the best "looking" male FF character, to be hotter than Tifa,the best "looking" female FF character, based on this match. >_>
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Only Solid Snake in his weakest year. However, static KOS puts Tifa at 41.3, not too far off of what static Vyse has her at (only 2%). I'm not calling for Tifa over Sonic, don't get me wrong, but unless Vyse and KOS somehow dropped almost proportionately (something quite rare for two unrelated characters) Tifa isn't looking bad. If they did, somehow, we're talking about Tifa also being in the near elites. 'Course, I've always believed there was some SFF between Link/Yoshi/Luigi (and Pac backs me up) so I'm saying Tifa is prime to give Sonic a... let's say 47-53 match. So we're talking Yoshi 2k4 level here for Luigi.
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I think Squall was at his best in 2k3, considering the KH boost...shame he was behind SFF. I still think he'd beat Luigi, but I don't think it would be a 60/40 affair again.
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"Unless, of course, Yoshi rSFFed Luigi..."

Or Yoshi was SFF'd by Link. Or Luigi increased.
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Yoshi was SFF'd by Link, obviously, but I was more referring to the fact that Luigi through constant KOS-MOS is projected to beat Yoshi through constant Laharl, right? So, yeah, Luigi *could* have boosted while Yoshi didn't, enough to beat him...but I find that unlikely.
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It's especially unlikely when the only reason that either of them would have to increase is a game that they were both prominent in.
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From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 9/2/2005 9:31:20 AM | Message Detail
Still, I think kos-mos was overrated a bit in 2k4 along with ryu (both by a few percentage points on bl). Assuming a static 2k3 kos-mos, where would this put tifa?

I get around 34%
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Static Laharl puts Yoshi at 29, yes. That puts him over Yoshi assuming KOS is static. Then again, i'm calling Tifa at 34% right now, which puts Luigi at like 27.5. I only said IF KOS is static Tifa's looking pretty good, not that I assumed she was. That said, all sounds good, ya?
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/2/2005 9:47:56 AM | Message Detail
Static Laharl puts Yoshi at 29, yes. That puts him over Yoshi assuming KOS is static. Then again, i'm calling Tifa at 34% right now, which puts Luigi at like 27.5. I only said IF KOS is static Tifa's looking pretty good, not that I assumed she was. That said, all sounds good, ya?

Tifa at 34 puts Luigi at around 30%ish.
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Well, yeah, that's not unreasonable at all. I was just taking issue with the actual concept of KOS-MOS staying constant, as I find it quite unlikely.
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Static KOS = 24.24
% vs. Luigi = 34

24.24/34*50=35.64

So static KOS would put Luigi at 35.64, unless I screwed that up.
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I'm going (24.42*66)/50 = 32.23%

(32.23*56)/50 = 36.1%
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"Tifa at 34 puts Luigi at around 30%ish"

Not when she hits her day vote >_>

So yeah, I actually plugged that in as her at 32%, my bad... It's late and I worked all day :)
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Wait, would someone like to check over my calculations as I'm not too sure about them anymore?
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shouldn't calculations be made at the end of the match
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If KOS is static, she's at 24.24.

24.24/35.64*50=34%

so

24.24/34*50=35.64
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Well, the equation is [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

With CvB being 34% (the amount she took against Luigi), CvA being 24.24 (her expectation against Link, and of course BvA being the expectation for Luigi against ye olde base link.
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"shouldn't calculations be made at the end of the match"

Two problems there. The end of the match is a logn ways away so we won't even have a general clue until then unless we do some preliminary math and the 5 won't change by a huge amount so it's not liek we'll be all that far off.
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Tifa's looking to stay pegged around the 57% mark before the day vote kicks in. She could change from it, but I doubt she hits 60%.
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Ok, I actually getting Tifa at 40% now.

Based on static KOS-MOS.

[(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA
(C - KOS, B- Luigi, A- Link)
(24.42 / 34) * 50 = 35.91%

Now:
[(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA
(C - Luigi, B - Tifa, A-Link)
(35.91 / 44) * 50 = 40.80% on Link!
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