dammit Harrich, I was thinking the exact same five things, only Laguna instead of Lavos. I was going to post them.. and then I scrolled down.

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If KOS-MOS can drop like a rock AFTER XS2, what would prevent Conker from doing the same?

If Snake can drop like a rock AFTER MGS:TS, what would prevent Conker from doing the same?

If Dante can boost after DMC2, what would precent Conker from doing the same?

Seriously, the argument works both ways. Don't use a separate example to prove a point because every character is different. Just like I know you love to use Magus/Crono to "disprove" Square SFF, you really can't do that because every situation is different. Heck, Crono and Magus are old Square anyway.
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It's just not the same without this name.
Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5

Heh, I said earlier that I was going to play Sonic, but instead I uh, started playing ToS, and did some Sonic thrusts... good enough I suppose.

[Insert helpful line about the current conversation here].
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.

Tifa is gonna have a Sonic Thrust of her own next round!! alright!!

*Sonic thrusts*

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"Start wearing purple, for me now. All your sanity and wits, they will all vanish, i promise. It's just a matter of time..."

Wait, today's performance has some people thinking Mega Man is in trouble? Wow, I guess I need to read these things a little more closely. But anyways, the only way I see MM not beating Sonic is either if 1) Leon, Yoshi or Pac Man beat him first or 2) Tifa or Luigi beats Sonic.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 51/58 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)

Seriously, the argument works both ways. Don't use a separate example to prove a point because every character is different. Just like I know you love to use Magus/Crono to "disprove" Square SFF, you really can't do that because every situation is different. Heck, Crono and Magus are old Square anyway.

That's part of my point, EXHAUST every possibility BEFORE you begin to call for some ridiculous SFF.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.

I questioned whether or not I think Tifa could match this performance, and I don't think she could. This, combined with Dante proving everything FFVII isn't Godly makes me feel better about Sonic.

Come to think of it, I would probably take Ganondorf over Tifa, and Sonic is doing comfortably better than Ganondorf did.
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Squall > The Devil Division

Non-ridiculous SFF is the most likely explanation, however.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

What is Sonic expected to do on Diabio? And what is Crono and Megaman expected to get on Diabio.
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"Rob a gamestore. What are those pasty pale gamer boys going to do? Throw cartridges at you?" --JugheadsHat--

What is Sonic expected to do on Diabio? And what is Crono and Megaman expected to get on Diabio.

IF Diablo is the same Sonic is doing 1 percent better than Crono.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

Wait, today's performance has some people thinking Mega Man is in trouble?

No, I thought Sonic would beat him before the contest started. This performance certainly helps the case.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (2) Squall 53310 (53.80%), (6) Knuckles 45780 (46.20%)

You know, we might have to use 2K4 Vsye for these stats. If Vincent is any indication, Tifa is going to bomb, and Vyse will end up below Laharl.

I'm not buying it.

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Magus screwed my bracket over. Yay!

Tifa is never gonna be behind any SFF, so her value should be fine.
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Squall > The Devil Division

Well, based on Yoshi, Laharl dropped, too.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (2) Squall 53310 (53.80%), (6) Knuckles 45780 (46.20%)

Anyone know what the vote totals will be at the end of the match? 76000 at this point in time doesn't sound very impressive.

Tifa is never gonna be behind any SFF, so her value should be fine.

But Vyse's won't.


Well, based on Yoshi, Laharl dropped, too.

Ahem. Nintendo. On the rise.

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Magus screwed my bracket over. Yay!

Ahem. No solid proof of such. People are just jumping to that conclusion.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (2) Squall 53310 (53.80%), (6) Knuckles 45780 (46.20%)

Vyse has always been weak. Unless he's facing fodder, he's not going to be winning matches anyway. I know you like him and all, but there is no reason to give him his 2k4 value just because he looks weaker than it and you think he should have it.
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Squall > The Devil Division

But do you honetsly think he'll be below Laharl? Come on.

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Magus screwed my bracket over. Yay!

No, he won't because Laharl will look weaker due to Yoshi.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (2) Squall 53310 (53.80%), (6) Knuckles 45780 (46.20%)

There's a difference between ranking below Laharl and losing to him in a theoretical match. Vyse being ranked that low isn't that unlikely.

Everyone knows the stats aren't perfect.
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To settle my score with you, I came dancing all the way up from the fires of hell.

Well, I'll just have to see what happens.

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Magus screwed my bracket over. Yay!

Why do you think he will be weaker then Laharl? Tifa isn't going to 'bomb'. She may lose to Sonic or even Luigi, but even if she does, it's not gonna be by a huge amount. I think you're worried about nothing.
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Squall > The Devil Division

Using Vyse, Tifa is now equal to Samus.

Losing to Luigi, or even Sonic, would put Vyse below Laharl.

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Magus screwed my bracket over. Yay!

We also have no idea where Luigi, Sonic, or Yoshi are going to place.
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Squall > The Devil Division

People should not even bother considering Luigi beating Tifa, because it won't happen.

Tifa will have no trouble beating the inferior Mario brother.

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Both knowledgeable and experienced, he can get past any tight situation without so much as breaking a sweat.

Tifa will have no trouble beating the inferior Mario brother.

But will she have problems with Luigi?
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (0) Voters

Conker's Bad Fur Day sold around 95,000 copies on the N64.

. . . NPD has stated the game sold 400,000 copies. I have no idea where you got that out of date data.

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Both knowledgeable and experienced, he can get past any tight situation without so much as breaking a sweat.

But will she have problems with Luigi?

The answer to your question should be obvious if you view Mario as the inferior brother.

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Both knowledgeable and experienced, he can get past any tight situation without so much as breaking a sweat.

. . . NPD has stated the game sold 400,000 copies. I have no idea where you got that out of date data.

As I said before, IGN. You could have at least scrolled down to see my correction...
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*is Karma Hunter*

Tifa will have no trouble beating the inferior Mario brother.

..Do you ever keep one opinion?

Remember kids: You cannot spell IGNorant without...

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 51/58 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)

If Tifa is weaker than Vincent, and Luigi got a decent Nintendo boost, Luigi could win. (Although I don't think he will)
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Squall > The Devil Division

As I said before, IGN. You could have at least scrolled down to see my correction...

Well, as long as you're not still believing that mess all is well.

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Both knowledgeable and experienced, he can get past any tight situation without so much as breaking a sweat.

..Do you ever keep one opinion?

Show me where my opinion on this match has ever been different.

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Both knowledgeable and experienced, he can get past any tight situation without so much as breaking a sweat.

I mean, the inferior brother part, heh.

If Tifa is weaker than Vincent,

That's what I would have trouble believing at this point. Vincent certainly didn't just fall apart or anything, but I do believe Tifa will be considerably stronger than him. She's got every reason to be, after all.

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Both knowledgeable and experienced, he can get past any tight situation without so much as breaking a sweat.

Then I would ask you to show me where I have ever favored Luigi over Mario.

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Both knowledgeable and experienced, he can get past any tight situation without so much as breaking a sweat.

Well, I was just saying (Hoping you meant the inferior brother was Luigi in your opinion), I thought you always prefered Mario to Luigi. =P

*points to the two polls where Vincent > Tifa, that you consistently reminded us of before Vincent's match with Dante*
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Squall > The Devil Division

*points to the two polls where Vincent > Tifa, that you consistently reminded us of before Vincent's match with Dante*

With everyone saying those didn't matter, I would hope people wouldn't bring those back up as 'evidence' to show Tifa under Vincent. Those very polls also stated that Tifa was ahead of Aerith. Vincent, at this point, isn't looking to be very far ahead of Aerith, if at all.

If Tifa were to go up against Dante, I would actually expect her to perform far better. His performance was rather disappointing for me, because I didn't imagine his "floor percentage" being as low as 54% before the match. I wouldn't say his performance speaks ill of Tifa at all though.

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Both knowledgeable and experienced, he can get past any tight situation without so much as breaking a sweat.

If I had to guess, I would say that within the FFVII fanbase, Vincent is preferred, but the more casual players would prefer the more recognizable Tifa. That's probably why Vincent 'flopped'. That being said, Luigi will probably lose, considering he's no beast, but the upset is definitely possible. Luigi's first round performance was extremely impressive, just like Tifa's, Nintendo is looking to be at an all time high this contest, and Luigi's pic is quite amusing. And like RPGuy and others have suggested, it is very likely Luigi is underrated.

I'll call 55/45 Tifa. But the upset would not surprise me at all.
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Squall > The Devil Division

Sonic is looking really strong today. One thing I can't understand though is why he is such an awful vote-drawer. You'd think he'd be a big draw because of the name recognition.
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SC2K5 Score: 49/56
Today's Pick: Sonic the Hedgehog

Luigi always looks impressive in the first round, only to flop in the second round, just like Dante. Of course, the third time was the charm for Dante, so maybe it's Luigi's turn, too.

I would be very, very surprised if Luigi won, personally.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (2) Squall 53310 (53.80%), (6) Knuckles 45780 (46.20%)

That's mostly coincidence, though. Luigi isn't actually 'cursed' or anything like that.
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Squall > The Devil Division

Here's hope for Luigi! <3

MC had the curse goin' on worse than Dante, really.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Yeah, third time was the charm for the Chief, too. He had to fight to end his curse though.

And the early goings of the match won't tell us much tomorrow. Luigi has NEVER lost a match wire to wire. He almost always does his best at the beginning. I think he'll pull a Dante tomorrow and lead for a short while.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (2) Squall 53310 (53.80%), (6) Knuckles 45780 (46.20%)

I'd be amazed if that was the case. I know FF7 isn't great with the early vote, but I expect Tifa to lead the whole time.
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The vote totals in this match are awful.
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SC2K5 Score: 49/56
Today's Pick: Sonic the Hedgehog