Sonic coud've gotten stronger, but does anybody really think Kratos would beat Lloyd 57/43? Personally I would rank most of the ToS characters close together.
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

I still can't believe people actually think Link SFFed Mega Man. They don't share any of the same fanbase at all. If there was "SFF" in that match, then it applies to every match. Either Mega dropped or it was a fluke.

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Mario and Sonic don't share the same fanbase either. SFF doesn't apply to any match except the ones where both characters are from the same series/company and one of the characters strength causes the other to lose votes. Link vs Ganondorf is a great example of this. Crap like Mario/Sonic is not.

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It really doesn't matter a whole lot whether or not there was SFF, so long as almost all of the evidence points to an adjustment we know one should be made. We don't have to agree on whether or not it was SFF or just a fluke like Link vs Magus.
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*looks at Sonic vs. Diablo*
*looks at Kefka vs. Diablo*
*looks at Kefka vs. Vercetti*
*looks at Vercetti vs. Crono*

Sonic over Crono anyone?
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Nah, Crono would still beat him.

<_<
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Kurotsuchi Mayuri fan

Sonic over Crono anyone?

and Mario over Samus.

Best final ever!
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17 have challenged Nintendo in the handheld market, 17 have failed. (see quote for list)

Mario/Samus, Snake/Bowser, Mega Man/Sonic are three awesome matches. Follow that up with Crono vs. MM/Sonic, and then Mario/Samus vs. the winner of that, and we are going to have one exciting week. At least, way more exciting than the craptastically over-hyped Gauntlet.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

Snake/Bowser?
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"Let's mosey"
Summer Contest Score: 50/56, Predicted Winner: Crono

Gotta hate Diablo's pic >_> so nasty <_<
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HOLY ANIME, PANDAMAN! IT'S MASA!!! IN HIS ORIGINAL ACCOUNT!
*Runs around throwing hot pockets at people*

Remember how we were all kidding around about how Master Hand should get a middle finger pic in his matches? Play the original SSB and pay close attention to the very beginning of that attack where MH blasts off into the background.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus

Crono VS Sonic does indeed looks to be a great match, I expect it to be Magus VS Knuckles 2.
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http://www.freewebs.com/vgcg/Knuckles.jpg

From: SephirothG | Posted: 9/1/2005 1:05:45 PM | Message Detail
Snake/Bowser?

Yeah... why, are from the school of 'Sora wins,' 'Kirby wins,' or 'Snake is gonna blow out Bowser?'

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Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

I wonder how many has Diablo winning in this match. I can
see many brackets having him "since he did so good in the spring contest."
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http://www.freewebs.com/vgcg/Knuckles.jpg

From: Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted: 9/1/2005 1:19:34 PM | #352
I still can't believe people actually think Link SFFed Mega Man. They don't share any of the same fanbase at all. If there was "SFF" in that match, then it applies to every match. Either Mega dropped or it was a fluke.

You never actually played a Megaman game, did you?
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"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

I still can't believe people actually think Link SFFed Mega Man. They don't share any of the same fanbase at all. If there was "SFF" in that match, then it applies to every match. Either Mega dropped or it was a fluke.

I wasn't even gonna comment on it, but I can't help myself. You act like people were big on companies back then like they are now. People played ALL of the popular games back then. Link absolutely KILLED Yoshi and Fox. And it's not like Link is accused of SFF Mega Man to that same degree. It was only a 5% drop... You don't think it's possible for him to slightly SFF Mega Man?
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Link was also super-charged in 2004 due to the TTP trailer shown at E3 that year. Nothing could stop the guy, hence the major SSF on Ganondorf (though "Hero/Villain Factor" played a bigger role) and Yoshi. Mega Man, who is a force, was also a victim and was made to look weaker than he really was.
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It was only a 5% drop... You don't think it's possible for him to slightly SFF Mega Man?

I, for one, do NOT believe that MM got SFF'ed at all.

Either 2k4 was a down year for MM, or it was just a fluke.

Btw, slightly SFF is like 1% max, not a whopping 4%.

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but does anybody really think Kratos would beat Lloyd 57/43? Personally I would rank most of the ToS characters close together.

That's a good point, actually, although I think Kratos COULD manage that.
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Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Or, more likely, Diablo has fallen.

Diablo didn't drop this much from, what was it, three months ago? I simply don't buy it...at all.


There's the question of how much the Diablo fan sites affected previous results.

Leonhart beat me to it, so I'll just quote him: "Diablo's final value is based on Ganondorf, a match in which he was not linked."


*looks at Sonic vs. Diablo*
*looks at Kefka vs. Diablo*
*looks at Kefka vs. Vercetti*
*looks at Vercetti vs. Crono*

Lookin' at those four right now (Diablo has 30.38%), Crono gets 48.95% against Sonic. Sexy.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Seriously, I'd love to see Mario/Sonic in the finals. It's a perfect ending.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Holy low vote totals, Batman!

Sonic can't seem to stay above 70%, but I'm sure he'll be there at the end. Either way, I'd put him over Tifa right now. Could change tomorrow, but I've a feeling Luigi will dodge a doubling.
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In any event, the lower you bring Diablo, the lower (in theory, at least) you have to bring Ganondorf, and he can't go too much lower without dropping below Bowser, who seems to have proven his strength. Besides, based on a constant Sonic, Diablo is nearly a full percent below Kefka. If this is true, it pretty much means he might've been lucky even to beat Bison.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

I don't know, his percentage has been dropping for a while now. Wasn't he supposed to be the day vote god or something?

Sonic can't seem to stay above 70%, but I'm sure he'll be there at the end.

I doubt Sonic will break 70% by the end of the match..

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Yeah, Sonic has been slowly losing the day-vote to Diablo, a character we all once anticipated would be a beast at the night-time, heh. Granted, we now know he's stronger in the day than the night, but it's still kinda funny.

I'm all for seeing MC, Knuckles, and Diablo in the same four-pack next year, personally.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

According to the updater, Sonic's vote numbers per update are staying pretty stable throughout. It's Diablo who's jumping all over the place, causing percentage decreases. He can't make up his mind, apparently. He dropped from 160 on the previous update to 119 just now.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

diablo's just having a good spell. both sonic and diablo are very good at the same time so there sharing it more evenly than in most matches sonic would have
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Seriously, I'd love to see Mario/Sonic in the finals.

That would be the worst final EVER!

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...Why? If Sonic is strong enough to beat Crono, it would mean that he could have a great match with Mario.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (2) Squall 53310 (53.80%), (6) Knuckles 45780 (46.20%)

both sonic and diablo are very good at the same time so there sharing it more evenly than in most matches sonic would have

Right...but Diablo's still been takin' away some percentage, however slow and long it takes. To be fair, Sonic stormed the board-vote so that makes it harder to keep the day-vote up, but still, it's hard to still call him the king after this.
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...Why? If Sonic is strong enough to beat Crono, it would mean that he could have a great match with Mario.

Because I hate both Mario and Sonic?

That aside, I'm not expecting Tifa to beat Sonic, not after Vincent's choke job 2 days ago.

She might get closer to Sonic than Aeris did, but I seriously doubt she can pull off the upset.

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Meh, Knuckles was always the king. Sonic didn't do anything with it against Jin. Besides, it's difficult to manage 70% per update against non-fodder if your name isn't Link or Cloud.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (2) Squall 53310 (53.80%), (6) Knuckles 45780 (46.20%)

Sonic did some pretty nasty things with the day vote in the past. Just ask the likes of Ken, Zero, Aeris, Terry, Ryu.

1% of SFF? Jeez. 1% can be normal variation for all we know. And as has been said, people didn't give a hoot about companies back in the day. And Megaman games pretty much had the profile of your typical Nintendo game about them. Megaman is as easy to associate with Nintendo as Sora to Square or Geno to Nintendo.
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"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

I really want to see Master Chief vs Knuckles, just to see Master Chief shave off 3000 votes from "the King of the day vote" during the day. It would be too awesome.
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Master Chief's path to the championship: Round 3: (2) Crono.
Halo 2 + 7 vote loss vs Frog = 7 vote win vs Crono

I don't think Sonic will drop under 69%.

So is he right now the favourite to get to the finals or not?
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http://www.freewebs.com/vgcg/Knuckles.jpg

Ken, Terry, and Ryu suck with the day vote anyway. Diablo has proven to do well with it, and Sonic's holding pretty steady, in any event.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (2) Squall 53310 (53.80%), (6) Knuckles 45780 (46.20%)

You sicken me Lopen.
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"I wasn't even gonna comment on it, but I can't help myself. You act like people were big on companies back then like they are now. People played ALL of the popular games back then."

What, last year? Last year is hardly any different from this year as far as the ability for two characters from completely different series to have SFF involved in their match goes.

"Link absolutely KILLED Yoshi and Fox. And it's not like Link is accused of SFF Mega Man to that same degree. It was only a 5% drop... You don't think it's possible for him to slightly SFF Mega Man?"

No I dont. Anyone who would vote for Mega Man over non cel shaded Link in the first place would vote for Mega Man regardless of any trailer. Link might of been stronger in general, or it may of been a fluke, or even Mega Man being weaker, but it certainly wasn't SFF. Using that logic, you could use SFF to explain any character doing differently then their supposed to in any match. Tidus isn't weaker, he just got rSFFed by Kirby because his DS game caused all the FFX fans to vote for him. >_>

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I really want to see Master Chief vs Knuckles, just to see Master Chief shave off 3000 votes from "the King of the day vote" during the day. It would be too awesome.

Except that it wouldn't happen. Knuckles would beat Master Chief from start to finish. He's not DK or Frog. He's too strong for the Chief to be able to do that against.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (2) Squall 53310 (53.80%), (6) Knuckles 45780 (46.20%)

How positive are you guys now that Sonic could beat Mega Man? I've been saying it's more then possible since the start of the contest, and no one believed me then. Just curious, is all.
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*Waiting for Guru winner's sig*

From: Zylo the wolf | Posted: 9/1/2005 3:43:13 PM | #386
So is he right now the favourite to get to the finals or not?

If I could do my bracket again, I wouldn't even put him in the QUARTERfinals.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

I have always seen Sonic as the favourite, of course I am a big Sonic fanboy so my opinion doesn't count ;D
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I want to see Alucard/Knuckles, to see Alucard take a 5000-vote lead during the night and Knuckles eat it completely after that.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

Chief 2k3 is right around Knuckles 2k3. I'd expect pretty much a repeat of Chief/DK. DK's got no reason to suck with the day vote either, and he still got dominated during that time, from pillar to post.

Your hatred only feeds me!
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Master Chief's path to the championship: Round 3: (2) Crono.
Halo 2 + 7 vote loss vs Frog = 7 vote win vs Crono

If I could do my bracket again, I wouldn't even put him in the QUARTERfinals.

I'm not sure why as you'd lose even more points than you are now since I'm assuming you don't have Sonic beating Mega Man.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (2) Squall 53310 (53.80%), (6) Knuckles 45780 (46.20%)

You'd still pick Tifa over Sonic? This performance plus Vincent's performance this round doesn't speak well for Tifa. Not that Vincent = Tifa, but still.
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DK is weak with the day vote for whatever the hell reason. He lost it to Vivi and Sam Fisher for crissakes.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani

I'd have a hard time thinking Master Chief could even come close to beating Knuckles myself. He certainly wouldn't make a 3000 vote turnaround.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (2) Squall 53310 (53.80%), (6) Knuckles 45780 (46.20%)

1% of SFF? Jeez. 1% can be normal variation for all we know. And as has been said, people didn't give a hoot about companies back in the day. And Megaman games pretty much had the profile of your typical Nintendo game about them. Megaman is as easy to associate with Nintendo as Sora to Square or Geno to Nintendo.

As I said, I do NOT buy Link/MM SFF.

I've played a lot of early LoZ games, and some MM games as well, they're fundamentally different.

Crono's game is on a Nintendo console as well, are you going to say that Link SFF him too?

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