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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 228
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 8/31/2005 11:36:37 AM | Message Detail
I will not be spoken of in the past tense!



*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/1

Summer 2003 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/2

Spring 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/3

Summer 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/4

Summer 2005 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/5

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27

All Time Extrapolated Standings:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/alltimexsts.htm



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

All the match pics, save for three from 2002:
http://www.sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php



*Miscellaneous*


Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

MMXcalibur's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

A List of Acronyms, A Lesson on Percentages, and Some Odd Matches:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm

Poll Vote Total Updater:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/25

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251



!yawA tsoP
From: TheCruelAngel | Posted: 8/31/2005 11:37:57 AM | Message Detail
<3 Squall.

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Warden: Talk! What is SeeD all about!?
Squall: ...Flower.
From: Kyle Bowen | Posted: 8/31/2005 11:38:50 AM | Message Detail
great Squall Quote.


one of my favorite scenes.


KB
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 8/31/2005 11:39:01 AM | Message Detail
Did I get the quote right?

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!" -Magus
From: Kyle Bowen | Posted: 8/31/2005 11:40:01 AM | Message Detail
Its close enough for me to recognize it.

I will tell you for sure by Friday. I am almost up to that part.

KB
From: Aprosenf | Posted: 8/31/2005 11:40:52 AM | Message Detail
....Whatever.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener
From: Heroic CaptianPlanet | Posted: 8/31/2005 11:41:12 AM | Message Detail
poor knuckles.
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XIII
From: SephirothG | Posted: 8/31/2005 11:43:58 AM | Message Detail
poor Magus
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"Let's mosey"
Summer Contest Score: 50/54, Predicted Winner: Crono
From: Kyle Bowen | Posted: 8/31/2005 11:44:00 AM | Message Detail
"I wont have anyone talk about me in the PAST TENSE!"

there it is.


KB
From: kungfu chicken | Posted: 8/31/2005 11:48:25 AM | Message Detail
spoilers: is that from after he wakes up from a laguana dream?
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current goty:Advance wars duel strike
possible goty contenders: castlevania dos, we love katamari, mario kart ds
From: TheCruelAngel | Posted: 8/31/2005 11:49:43 AM | Message Detail
Spoilers: Its from when Squall and the others are discussing Seifer's "death".

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Warden: Talk! What is SeeD all about!?
Squall: ...Flower.
From: _Smurf_ | Posted: 8/31/2005 11:49:51 AM | Message Detail
Knuckles > Squall
From: SephirothG | Posted: 8/31/2005 2:26:48 PM | Message Detail
Everyone gave up on this pretty quickly
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"Let's mosey"
Summer Contest Score: 50/54, Predicted Winner: Crono
From: kungfu chicken | Posted: 8/31/2005 2:27:33 PM | Message Detail
oh right, after the tv station thing?
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current goty:Advance wars duel strike
possible goty contenders: castlevania dos, we love katamari, mario kart ds
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/31/2005 2:27:57 PM | Message Detail
Well, it's because we don't need it yet.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/31/2005 2:28:26 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, he says it when they're in the conference room in Galbadia Garden, before they get the big mission.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: kungfu chicken | Posted: 8/31/2005 2:28:32 PM | Message Detail
we dont use this one untill the other hits 500
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current goty:Advance wars duel strike
possible goty contenders: castlevania dos, we love katamari, mario kart ds
From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 8/31/2005 3:06:19 PM | Message Detail
I figure one of these days I will try to finish FFVIII... right after I finish:

Atelier Iris
Makai Kingdom
Koudelka
Shadow Hearts
Shadow Hearts: Covenant
Valkyrie Profile
Lunar2: Eternal Blue
Brigandine
Katamari Damacy
Chrono Cross

...so yeah, sorry Squall, but you are on the backburner until about 2007.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 49/56 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/31/2005 4:15:50 PM | Message Detail
Man, I am on a string of pro-Squall 500 posts lately.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 8/31/2005 4:24:32 PM | Message Detail
To Mac Arrowny (almost the San Fransisco treat):

Zero is the lead protagonist of his own gaming series, so Mega Man not SFFing him makes pretty good sense to me. And clearly I would take Ganon over Auron, however Ganon is not an evil sidekick, but a villain. And flame me if you must, but in a Tidus/Auron match, I would still take Tidus, just as I would take Zidane over Vivi.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 49/56 (Kefka, Magus (x2), Ocelot, Tidus)
From: bigkevinm84 | Posted: 8/31/2005 4:25:52 PM | Message Detail
It's nice to see Squall doing right about where I predicted him, it's too bad I listened to all those people thinking that Magus > Squall was a lock... Darn it. Would have been funny to see Knuckles win, but whatever.
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.
From: therealmnm | Posted: 8/31/2005 4:34:50 PM | Message Detail
Zero is the lead protagonist of his own gaming series, so Mega Man not SFFing him makes pretty good sense to me. And clearly I would take Ganon over Auron, however Ganon is not an evil sidekick, but a villain. And flame me if you must, but in a Tidus/Auron match, I would still take Tidus, just as I would take Zidane over Vivi.

I doubt Zero having his own series is the reason why he was able to avoid heavy SFF from Mega Man. Zero is designed to be just as popular as Mega Man in his series, and has the character to draw more than enough fans to be a powerhouse. It's not impossible for a side character to be more powerful than the main character, especially if they are designed to be as such (Auron and Kratos for example).
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 8/31/2005 4:41:23 PM | Message Detail
Between Zero having his own series, bein' a fan-favorite in the Mega Man games, and being big in the most popular era of Mega Man's career (SNES era)...I can see why Zero was barely SFF'd.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.
From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 8/31/2005 4:48:14 PM | Message Detail
This is sort of off topic, but whatever happened to your rate the game, ulti? It was a cool thread to have around.

and to keep this on topic, where will sora be next year, after kingdom hearts II?
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~Old Klingon Proverb
From: transience | Posted: 8/31/2005 4:51:30 PM | Message Detail
damn, I thought Squall would start winning percentage points back by now. Knuckles is impressing the hell out of me.
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http://picturesofwalls.com
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 8/31/2005 4:53:08 PM | Message Detail
Sora should be capable of beating nearly anyone in the contest after Kingdom Hearts II. Not to say that he'll be up there with Mario or anything, but that he'll definitely be among one of the few sitting outside that "elite" area that is often called the "Noble Nine."

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Sullen and unrefined; only speaks to others when absolutely necessary. His fighting moves, while rough and unpolished, are executed with absolute precision.
From: shadow8021 | Posted: 8/31/2005 4:53:40 PM | Message Detail
Who would win this year? Dante or Knuckles?
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SC2K5 Score: 49/54
Today's Vote: Knuckles the Echidna
From: shadow8021 | Posted: 8/31/2005 4:59:38 PM | Message Detail
bump
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SC2K5 Score: 49/54
Today's Vote: Knuckles the Echidna
From: swirldude | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:04:25 PM | Message Detail
Knux of course.
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Knuckles the Echidna's road to the Sc2k5 Title!
Round 2: (2)Squall Leonhart
From: Dranze | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:05:35 PM | Message Detail
I think I'd take Dante, not only is he already higher, but he has an even more reason to increase.
From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:05:38 PM | Message Detail
I would take Dante and expect him to win with 52%.
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:23:18 PM | Message Detail
Okay, here's the big question for tomorrow's match: Will Sonic do better or worse than Ganondorf against Diablo, and by how much? I say a little better, maybe less than a percent.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:25:04 PM | Message Detail
Chaos Division Round 2 - Match 45 – (1)Sonic vs. (5)Diablo

Sonic - The blue streak speeds by Diablo.
Round 1 – vs. Jin (Sonic: 76.15% - Jin: 23.85%)

Not an impressive performance by the Hedgehog.

Diablo - See kids? People love the Devil!
Round 1 – vs. Kratos (Diablo: 56.76% - Kratos: 43.24%)

Kratos performs better than expected against Diablo, which is good to see.

Not much to analyze here. Diablo can beat lower mid-carders, but crumbles like dirt against stronger opponents. Ganondorf broke 65% on him, so Sonic could possibly pull the doubling. He’ll need to impress this time though, since no heads were turned by his performance from Jin.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Sonic will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Sonic: 69% - Diablo: 31%



Ulti’s Analysis

(Special note from Ulti: I'm either getting married or on my honeymoon as you're reading this, so know that all of my second round writeups will suck. I'm doing the same short writeups that I did for the last round, because I don't have time to be extensive.)

(Special note from Moltar: Mmmm, blowouts.)

..I've got nothing interesting to say here.

Prediction: Sonic with 68.48%



Soul’s Analysis

How they got here

Sonic defeated Jin Kazama: 76.15% - 23.85%

Diablo defeated Kratos Auron: 56.76% - 43.24%


Well, nothing really needs to be said here. Sonic is the heavy favorite going into this match, but some people, blinded by Diablo's miracle run in the Spring, are hoping for an upset.

Right. Coming from someone who predicted all of Diablo's matches right, I know an upset possibility by Diablo when I see it. Sadly, he has no chance to survive make his time in this match. Yes, Diablo defeated three people on his way to losing to Ganondorf. Know what that means? He lost to Ganondorf. You can tell me about his miracle run for as long as you want, but the main part is he lost to Ganondorf. Sonic is stronger then Ganondorf. I think that all that needs to be said.

But wait, there's more. The infamous B.Net voters that have "helped" Diablo in the Spring and Starcraft last year in Spring. Well, we all know that B.Net doesn't offer much votes, if any. If they did, then Kerrigan would be fighting against Dante instead of Vincent.

Basically, this match is Sonic's to lose. As a Diablo 2 fanboy and considering the Diablo series as one of the best series ever, I can safely say that Sonic is not going to lose this match.

My prediction: Sonic wins with 68.00%. Next match should be exciting to watch.



Outback’s Analysis

Gas prices over $3.00 here today; Sonic might want to watch his mileage.

Sonic with 61.00%
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Knuckles vs. Squall - Bracket: Magus - Vote: Knuckles (48/54)
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:25:13 PM | Message Detail
Inviso’s Analysis

Sonic is the one seed of his division, and until recently, I believed him to be the second weakest of the noble nine. I’ve since realized that this position is taken by Megaman, and Sonic is actually third. Sonic, sadly, did poorly against a mainstream fighting game character. Fighting games get no love on Gamefaqs, and mainstream games get even worse, and Jin still broke 22%. Diablo though, is not looking to be a strong opponent. He did poorly against Kratos, who is, like Lloyd, a cult RPG character. Diablo may have performed well against the losers of the villains contest, but this is a contest of importance. Sonic will win, but Diablo is stronger than Jin, so he’ll obviously perform better.

My Bracket: Sonic the Hedgehog
My Vote: Diablo
My Prediction: Sonic the Hedgehog with 67.59%



Tnote’s Analysis

Well this is no fun. Ganondorf slapped up 65.2% on Diablo, and Sonic is well known to be stronger than Ganon. Sure, this recent SSB:M boom probably makes a Sonic/Dorf match much closer than it would have been a few years ago, but there is little doubt in who would wind up victorious. Solely looking at Sonic in relation to Ganon, and a victory in excess of 70% seems logical, on paper. In practice, I think Diablo has a fairly loyal fanbase that should help skew the transitivity of such a comparison. Still, I will probably be a bit concerned for Sonic’s likelihood of defeating Tifa if he does not outperform Link’s nemesis.

Pick: Sonic with 66.67%



Vlado’s Analysis

Another boring match that people who don't really pay attention might believe would be interesting. Sure, Diablo got three wins in the spring, but all three were over contest weaklings. In fact, it was easily predictable that he'd win his division, despite his 7th seed. The very best he can do here is avoid getting doubled. Sonic's lackluster performance against Jin gives the Blizzard star some hopes that he could achieve that, but his win over Kratos, who's likely weaker than Lloyd, wasn't a proof of any strength, either.

Is Sonic stronger than Ganondorf in this contest? I'd imagine their strength is pretty close right now, so they should get similar wins against Diablo. If he has kept his strength from the spring, Diablo should be able to avoid a doubling. However, his chances of even breaking 40% are close to zero. This match will not tell us much about Sonic, either... Unlike the battle on the following day, where we'll get to know a bit more about Tifa's strength and whether she can stop the Blue Blur on his way to the championship.

Predicted percentage: Sonic the Hedgehog with 64.39%.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Knuckles vs. Squall - Bracket: Magus - Vote: Knuckles (48/54)
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:25:57 PM | Message Detail
And right on cue, nearly all of the analysis crew expects Sonic to best Ganon.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:27:23 PM | Message Detail
I'm hoping that Sonic doesn't do that well tomorrow, myself.

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Sullen and unrefined; only speaks to others when absolutely necessary. His fighting moves, while rough and unpolished, are executed with absolute precision.
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:28:02 PM | Message Detail
I hope Sonic crushes him, personally. 70% would be ideal, although probably illogical.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: charmander6000 | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:28:34 PM | Message Detail
Match 45: (1) Sonic the Hedgehog vs. (5) Diablo

Past Performances

Sonic the Hedgehog


Summer 2005
Beat Jin Kazama, 76.15% - 23.85%

Win - Lose Record
9-3

Diablo

Summer 2005
Beat Kratos Aurion, 56.76% - 43.24%

Win - Lose Record
4-1

Analysis

From here on end we should have nothing but predictable matches. The noble 9 may be doubted this contest, but Diablo isn’t going to be the first character ever to beat one of them. Sonic should easily beat Diablo tomorrow.

Last round Sonic didn’t really perform up to boards expectations. Even though Jin has never been in a contest before Kazuya had and Sonic was projected to beat him 80/20. First of all Kazuya was in 2k2 and those stats were never really reliable and second both Tekken 4 and Tekken 5 have been released since 2k2 so Tekken characters had reason to gain.

Diablo also didn’t put up great numbers either, with Lloyd flopping and everything and there is reason that Kratos being more popular than Lloyd, but I don’t see ToS characters being that far off from each other and Kratos is projected to win 57/43 before SFF came in. Diablo could be weaker than we thought.

Even though Ganondorf only beat Diablo 65/35 I’m expecting Sonic to double Diablo and may be a threat on breaking 70%, but I don’t think he’ll actually break it. It’s now time to show why you’re part of the noble 9 Sonic.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Sonic the Hedgehog over Diablo

charmander6000’s Prediction: Sonic wins, 68.12% - 31.88%

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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:30:20 PM | Message Detail
I know! It's like I refreshed the topic, saw your post, and posted the analyses! Oh wait...I did. >.>

And yeah, I'm hoping Sonic destroys Diablo. I can see 70% for the Blur, and it would definitely boost my hopes for him over Tifa. Besides, I think Diablo might have been a bit weaker than he was in the Spring, looking at his match with Kratos.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Knuckles vs. Squall - Bracket: Magus - Vote: Knuckles (48/54)
From: Tediz247 | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:30:59 PM | Message Detail
Sonic won't get the doubling and he won't do better than Ganondorf. I can almost guarantee those two things.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]
From: sidharta | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:31:57 PM | Message Detail
I'm rooting for Sonic to undershoot Ganon's percentage, just to give Tifa a fighting chance next round.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:32:02 PM | Message Detail
Well, #2 pretty much guarantees #1 will be true...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: Nai | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:32:18 PM | Message Detail
I say Sonic won't pass the 60% mark...
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Currently playing: Killer7 [GC] + Yoshi Touch & Go [DS]
From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:32:48 PM | Message Detail
I think Sonic won't get the doubling. He has a history of sucking at blowing out people.
From: Tediz247 | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:33:02 PM | Message Detail
Err, I meant that to sat that he won't *even* do better than Ganondorf. My bad.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
ZSB [aX]
From: Dranze | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:35:47 PM | Message Detail
I say Sonic won't pass the 60% mark...

You can't be serious.
From: Aprosenf | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:35:48 PM | Message Detail
Puh-lease. Why would Sonic do worse than Ganondorf?
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener
From: transience | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:37:13 PM | Message Detail
hey, if people really are relying on the spring contest results, wouldn't Diablo have a relatively high prediction percentage?
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From: Nai | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:37:54 PM | Message Detail
You can't be serious

I may be wrong, heh =P
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Currently playing: Killer7 [GC] + Yoshi Touch & Go [DS]
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/31/2005 5:38:35 PM | Message Detail
I wouldn't be surprised if Sonic did have a lower prediction percentage than expected. After all, Diablo did beat the invincible Kefka.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
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