Im putting Squall about equal to Vincent and Zero on my own personal rankings right now. And thats just below Bowser.
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Leon's Quest For Ultimate Glory:
1. Gordon Freeman; 2. Mega Man

Squall is the favorite, but it's not like he's leaps and bounds ahead of Knuckles.

He's far enough ahead that he should never be in danger.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

No it doesn't. They aren't joined at the hip. Kirby could've gained and Squall could've dropped for all we know.

While I personally believed that Squall is no longer on his 2k3 strength, I don't think he'll ever come in danger of losing tomorrow's match.

Kirby is an established avatar, so he shouldn't easily jump from year to year.

Squall won't be able to beat Kirby with 55% like he did last year, but again he'll never come in danger of actually losing the match.

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I still think Squall would get at least 54% on Kirby if they faced off right now.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Squall would get 51-52% on Kirby now.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 44/52 points
Current Match Prediction: Dante vs. Vincent Valentine

Going by last year's XS, Squall beats 20XXDF Knux with 57.85% and unadjusted Knux with 62.06% We've seen plenty of proof that Magus is right around where Knux puts him at (20XXDF Knux, at least), and plenty of proof that Squall is at least as high as the 2k3/2k4 stats have him at. I really don't see how this match is in question.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Kirby could even win a match against Squall now...
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This year is entirely different though. You guys just don't understand. The stats are not the bible. None of us can predict this match. It's just that simple.
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Knuckles the Echidna's Road to SC2K5 Glory!
Round 2: vs. (2) Squall Leonhart

Kirby could even win a match against Squall now...

That's just ridiculous...

A 55% win doesn't simply get reversed in only a year, you know...

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This year is entirely different though. You guys just don't understand. The stats are not the bible. None of us can predict this match. It's just that simple.

So that's your excuse for having absolutely no reasons why Knux could even challenge Squall.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Kirby? Beat Squall?

*sighs*

I would almost rather have Squall face Magus instead of Knuckles now. It's not as frustrating as having to deal with people selling Squall short when they have no business doing so.

He's not getting any credit. Yes, Squall supposedly "underperformed" last year against Kirby, but then the puffball validates it this year, and everyone's still going on the idea that he's overrated.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

So that's your excuse for having absolutely no reasons why Knux could even challenge Squall.

The stats haven't exactly proven to be accurate this year. Look at Vivi/Zelda. It was supposed to be a very close match and that Vivi was supposed to have a great chance at the upset. Instead, Zelda blew out Vivi and got almost 60% of the vote.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 44/52 points
Current Match Prediction: Dante vs. Vincent Valentine

Ugh, tomorrow's match has me so nervous, I'm going to have one of those really nervous feelings I always get when viewing the match results for the first time... Knuckles... Squall.... no idea how it's going to go.
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Leonhart actually hasn't even used one of the better arguments for Squall... It doesn't even deal with the x-stats either...
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I didn't said anything about Squall losing, I just stated that your expressions look like Squall will kill Knuckles, which is something I doubt.
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That's right. Cloud N. Candy would get a NEGATIVE percentage, and RPGuy's extrapolated calculator would crash. - therealmnm

The stats haven't exactly proven to be accurate this year. Look at Vivi/Zelda. It was supposed to be a very close match and that Vivi was supposed to have a great chance at the upset. Instead, Zelda blew out Vivi and got almost 60% of the vote.

Simple explanation: There wasn't any SFF in Sephiroth/Vivi, as I and most other Vivi supporters assumed there was. The raw stats proved better than our interpretation of them; I can't see how you can possibly say that the stats didn't hold up in that match.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

And Squall will not break 55% on Knuckles.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 44/52 points
Current Match Prediction: Dante vs. Vincent Valentine

I think that everyone jumped the gun a bit last year; blowouts don't imply SFF, and the converse may be true as well.
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There is only one war of the brood!

I bet none of you can explain why Squall would win without using your precious "x-stats" and results from last year.
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Knuckles the Echidna's Road to SC2K5 Glory!
Round 2: vs. (2) Squall Leonhart

It's sad hearing people say "the stats are always wrong" as a reason why Knuckles will win. They've predicted the wrong winner three times: Magus/Knuckles (where we had evidence Magus was overrated), Sora/Alucard (which was too close to call anyway), and Ocelot/Pac-Man (where we haven't had a reading on Pac-Man in 3 years).
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

I can see Squall breaking 55%.

I bet none of you can explain why Squall would win without using your precious "x-stats" and results from last year.

...You couldn't even prove Link could beat Tanner if you threw all of that out of the window.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

I bet none of you can explain why Squall would win without using your precious "x-stats" and results from last year.

I'd like to see you explain how Knuckles wins if you ignore everything that has happened in any contest, too.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

FFVIII isn't the most popular FF game on GameFAQs, and Knuckles is one of the most popular Sonic characters among Sonic fans. He may, in fact, be THE most popular.

And as for Link-Tanner, look at the number of people who visit Zelda boards compared to Driv3r. Also look at how Zelda:OoT has made the Top 50 FAQ list for the second longest time, second to FFVII. It's quite obvious who would win.
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Knuckles the Echidna's Road to SC2K5 Glory!
Round 2: vs. (2) Squall Leonhart

Simple explanation: There wasn't any SFF in Sephiroth/Vivi, as I and most other Vivi supporters assumed there was. The raw stats proved better than our interpretation of them; I can't see how you can possibly say that the stats didn't hold up in that match.

So you think DK is at 22%? Didn't you just say you thought DK was at 25-26%?
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

As an avid Knuckles fan, the only chance he has of beating Squall is if Magus really was as strong as stats showed in 2k3...but seeing what Knuckles, Tidus, and Fisher has done this year should make anybody confident enough Magus wasn't that strong.
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FFVIII isn't the most popular FF game on GameFAQs,

It doesn't have to be. It's still more popular than any Sonic game.

and Knuckles is one of the most popular Sonic characters among Sonic fans. He may, in fact, be THE most popular.

No, he's not. Sonic would not lose to Snake at all, much less 60/40.

Oh wait, I can't use previous years, can I? Well, Knuckles could beat Snake then. Yeah, there's nothing crazy about thinking that.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

FFVIII isn't the most popular FF game on GameFAQs, and Knuckles is one of the most popular Sonic characters among Sonic fans. He may, in fact, be THE most popular.

FFX isn't the most popular FF game on GameFAQs, and KoaC is one of the most popular characters amongst KD fans. He may, in fact, be THE most popular.


Besides, despite my preference, Sonic trumps Knuckles in popularity.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

And as for Link-Tanner, look at the number of people who visit Zelda boards compared to Driv3r. Also look at how Zelda:OoT has made the Top 50 FAQ list for the second longest time, second to FFVII. It's quite obvious who would win.

Look at the number of people who visit the GTA boards compared to Earthbound. Also, look at how high GTA:SA is on the Top 50 FAQ list.
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Snake went up, Zelda went up, Vivi went down, DK went up. Vivi still wins if there's a rematch this year, but I think it's an awful lot closer.

On second thought, maybe Master Chief actually went down, which draws Frog down, making Samus look slightly less impressive and gives Crono a good shot at her. Hm. We'll find out next round.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

On second thought, maybe Master Chief actually went down

Despite Halo 2 and more casuals, this MMIIGGHHTT actually be true. How sad.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
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this is like Vincent yesterday.

Leon:Squall::Chichiri:Vincent.
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"Look at the number of people who visit the GTA boards compared to Earthbound. Also, look at how high GTA:SA is on the Top 50 FAQ list."

*cough*SSBM*cough*
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Knuckles the Echidna's Road to SC2K5 Glory!
Round 2: vs. (2) Squall Leonhart

It's not quite the same as yesterday. People are talking about Squall losing when there's no reason to believe he will. It's just one big headache, personally.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Looky looky, GTA:SA also has SSBM beat.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Yeah, but Leon, you're saying Squall is just gonna crush Knuckles, and that won't happen.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 44/52 points
Current Match Prediction: Dante vs. Vincent Valentine

this happens in every match where the outcome isn't 100% certain. the day before the match, everyone that's supporting the underdog starts saying how they think their character is going to win, to the point where it seems like they actually have a chance. then the match starts. it happened with Vivi, with Zelda over Snake, with Auron, with Pac-Man to a certain extent, with Ryu, and yesterday with Dante. I wouldn't even bother arguing the point - the match is in a few hours anyway.
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56% =/= crushing, and I really don't see why he can't get that much. Heck, the stats have him getting almost 58%, so I'm being generous. I'd have a hard time believing Knux could get 55% on Kirby (or even beat him at all).
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

It's not quite the same as yesterday. People are talking about Squall losing when there's no reason to believe he will. It's just one big headache, personally.

Knuckles fans > Squall fans

On this topic.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

this is like Vincent yesterday.

Leon:Squall::Chichiri:Vincent.

People tend to get rather animated when it comes to their favorite characters. Hell, I'd be right back in his face defending Knuckles if I actually had an argument. I open my mouth but nothing comes out. <_< There's really nothing that you can really argue for in Knuckles favor besides trying to bring up their performances on Snake in 2k2. You can try to use Magus all you want... You can only hope that the stats have a SEVERE case of nonlinearity with Snake always beating Knuckles.

The only thing I can do as a Knuckles fan is wait and see what happens when the match starts.
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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Btw, I have a serious questions to all fellow Samus supporters:
Could Samus be over-rated in 2k4?
Or in other words, did Cloud (yes, I'm blaming him, not Samus) choke against her in 2k4?

The reason I brought that up is because Cloud just came out of an SFF slugfest against the 2nd most popular FF VII char, Seph.
In that match, not only did he dashed the hopes of Seph fans to pieces, he added insult to injury by beating Seph much worse than he's supposed to.
Cloud vs. Samus took place only 3 days after Cloud vs. Seph, that's short enough timespan for Seph fans to still remember their grudges against him.
If enough people within the overall FF VII fanbase anti-voted Cloud, he would certainly choke against someone like Samus.

Btw, Samus actually led Cloud in the polls for a few hours, and Cloud even needed the morning vote to finally pull away.
That's totally unacceptable for a former champion, leading me to believe that some Seph fans actually waited for that match just to anti-vote him.

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Knuckles fans > Squall fans

On this topic.

Yeah, I'm sure you'd be graceful when everyone's looking for every excuse in the book for selling your favorite character short when he, for all intents and purposes, is easily the statisical favorite.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

If knuckles has increased, I can't see him being at 30% or over on bl, which is what he would need to come come close to squall. I think it's fairly obvious from kirby's match that squall is at least around where the adjusted xstats put him. I mean, kirby couldn't have increased that much. Squall is just over 30% on bl at the very least.
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who is everyone? everyone not arguing agrees with you, there's just no point in arguing when the winner seems relatively obvious. there's not even a reason to be having this discussion.

Knuckles surprised all of us once and people are hoping he does it again. that's all.
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Heh, I find it hard to believe there are that many Sephiroth fans that AREN'T Cloud fans at all... especially enough to anti-vote Cloud. Cloud and Sephiroth fanbase AREN'T separate no matter WHAT you may think. It's just that they are split down the middle in terms of who they prefer.

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MM are my INITIALS "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Btw, Samus actually led Cloud in the polls for a few hours, and Cloud even needed the morning vote to finally pull away.

More like a few minutes, tops. Oh, and your theory doesn't hold water.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

there's just no point in arguing when the winner seems relatively obvious.

That's what I'm saying, but other people obviously don't feel that way.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

The difference between Squall and Vincent is that Squall has some solid data on him from previous years, while we only had Vincent's match with Kerrigan to judge him.

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I don't have an ego.
I'm way too cool for that.

I don't think Knuckles will win, though (my oracle prediction is Squall with 50.45%, and that will not change). I'm just saying it will be a nailbiter and that Knuckles does have a very realistic shot at Squall.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 44/52 points
Current Match Prediction: Dante vs. Vincent Valentine

If it's realistic, show me some evidence, and don't even throw those unadjusted stats at me. Nobody should take those at face value.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna