So, anyone think that Knuckles has even a miniscule chance of winning tomorrow?

I guess Ulti's gonna have to eat some crow, too. Remember how you said you were saving the posts of everyone who thought Squall would beat Magus so you could laugh at them when the match came? :)
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Oh, yes. I remember that very well. It's a shame that we didn't archive some of those posts.

Well, actually, there is this...

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 7/18/2005 2:11:59 PM | Message Detail
It's funny to watch a couple of vocal (and delusional) Squall fans actually convince people that Magus will take a drop based off of complete joke/fodder characters and their unreliable inconsistency.

If Magus gets more than 55% of the vote, can I reserve the right to just rub in all of your faces until the end of time? Not that I won't do it anyway after Magus wins, but still. You vastly underestimate the fact that most people hate Squall's guts.

I'm sorry, Ulti, but I'm easily amused. :P

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This isn't terribly surprising. Anyone who thought Terra was weaker than Kerrigan was nuts. Of course, so was anyone who thought Dante was weaker than Kerrigan, ie. me. Needless to say, I still think Vincent will look decent against Squall, and Tifa will outperform Aeris on Sonic. SC2K5 just got a lot less interesting with today's match, though.
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There's always someone better.

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Delusional!

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KB

*Dante was weaker than Terra

See, the idea is so ludicrous I can't even type it our properly.
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I think Knuckles has a serious chance of winning tomorrow. I think he rose, and I think the adjusted stats from 2k4 overestimate Squall quite a bit. Crono v. Magus was shown to not be nearly as much of a SFF affair as we thought, and they are both from the same game. Cloud v. Squall may not have had nearly the SFF that we once believed. The general screwiness of the adjusted stats in general this year lends further precedent to that. I think it more than possible that Squall over-performed on Samus just as Magus apparently over-performed on Link, even if i can't really explain it. But hell, people say that Magus over-performed massively on Link all because of a sprite (although the gap is so large as to be nonsensical), so I'm sure they'll think up something equally as silly to explain away the glaring holes in the stats if Knuckles makes it a close race tomorrow, or, God forbid, wins.

Squall getting more than 53 percent would surprise me....and while I expect him to win, I'm not going to be surprised at all if I wake up tomorrow to see an echidna in the lead.
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I think Knuckles has a serious chance of winning tomorrow. I think he rose, and I think the adjusted stats from 2k4 overestimate Squall quite a bit.

I thought that, too, until Kirby killed Tidus. There's simply no way Squall loses tomorrow, though he could get anywhere between 53-63%. I'd expect him to take it with 58% or so.
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I expect it to be a 55-45 match in Squall's favor. Squall's no Snake, and Knuckles will really be able to exploit Square's weakness with the day vote.
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I'm having the same feeling about Knux's match tomorrow that I had about his match with Magus. Looking at the match pic, I find it hard to believe the casual voter could look at both of those pictures, and not prefer Knuckles.

I don't think the new group of voters lean so much towards Nintendo as they do towards old-school in general.
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If Knuckles wins the Devil Division, and Snake beats Bowser, then I'll be a firm believer that Knuckles/Snake cannot lose this contest without facing each other...Which means we'd be seeing Solid Snake in the ToC...
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Well, it's now almost certain I'll lose the bet unless Dante falls apart, but Vincent appears to have put the match itself out of reach. Interesting note, the match is almost exactly on pace with Crono/Vercetti, it's about 500 votes behind.
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Come on Dante don't let Vincent push you under 46%
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I thought that, too, until Kirby killed Tidus.

I was hesitant to think Knuckles has a chance precisely because of that, but I'm inclined to think along the same lines as Deus - namely, that there has been some swing towards the old school voting block, which would clearly benefit Knuckles ,ore than Squall. Add to that the fact that Kirby had every reason to increase and Tidus had no reason to increase at all, and the fact that Nintendo characters seem to have been doing better than we expected (Knuckles being one of the adoptive children of Nintendo). I'm still thinking that Squall will win, but I'm not placing much weight on that claim.

In order for Knuckles to take down Magus the way he did without increasing (or Magus decreasing, which seems to me even more unlikely), there would have had to have been absolutely no SFF in Crono v. Magus. A pumped up echidna v. a likely overrated amnesiac? It could go either way.

And I would eat my own shoe if Squall made it to 58 percent on Knuckles. That just isn't going to happen. It Squall clears 53 percent he'd be exceeding my expectations.
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To preempt the criticism - since Knuckles likely increased, there could have been some SFF in Magus v. Crono. Just very, very little.
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Took him long enough...
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54/46

noooo don't fall another .01% (he'll probably will though). Well 55% may be out of reach for Vincent.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

This match has been very static since the first hour. How delightfully boring. And Knux has no shot tomorrow folks. Squall will pick up votes from being a hero, votes that the sidekick Magus was unable to gain. Knux, not being a hero himself, will not gain those votes. Even if Squall and Magus were dead equal in the X-Stats, I would fully expect Squall to outperform Magus. I will be shocked if tomorrow is ever in doubt.

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SC2k5 - 47/52 (Kefka, Magus, Ocelot, Tidus)

Don't forget that Vincent's last match was 3 weeks ago. The voting trends could have changed with school and college starting for a lot of people.
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How does Kirby killing Tidus have anything whatsoever to do with Squall vs Knuckles?

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How does Kirby killing Tidus have anything whatsoever to do with Squall vs Knuckles?

I guess since Squall beat Kirby. They seem to forget about the existence of the DS, however.
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a valid question ulti.
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I guess since Squall beat Kirby. They seem to forget about the existence of the DS, however.

Well, duh, we HAVE to ignore the only DS game that is called the handheld's only must-have by countless reviewers.

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How does Kirby killing Tidus have anything whatsoever to do with Squall vs Knuckles?

Kirby smashed Tidus, Kirby himself was beaten soundly by Squall in 2k4. Presumably, if Kirby is at least at his value that the adjusted stats show for 2k4, then Squall, the person he is traced through, should not be far off from what the adjusted put him at as well.

Yet, as has been mentioned, this completely ignores the existence of the DS.
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Well, duh, we HAVE to ignore the only DS game that is called the handheld's only must-have by countless reviewers.

Exactly. Besides, it's not like the DS sold well >_>
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Wheels within wheels; in a spiral array,
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How does Kirby killing Tidus have anything whatsoever to do with Squall vs Knuckles?

Probably because of Magus.
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I've been Pwned by KoaC. He really is the king of all cosmos.

Yeah, I know, it's not tripling the PSP in worldwide sales, AT ALL.

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Squall beat Kirby, who smashed Tidus, which should prove that he wasn't overrated in 2k4 thanks to our SFF adjustments. If anything, he's underrated, because he's been behind SFF for two years now. Kirby beating Tidus also reinforces the idea that Magus and Tidus were never that high to begin with, meaning that Knuckles probably isn't all too far from his 2k4 value. Two things from one match that point to an easy victory for Squall en route to him beating Vincent.
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Yeah, I know, it's not tripling the PSP in worldwide sales, AT ALL.

You totally get it.
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Oh, I forgot to mention that there's obviously blantant vote stuffing, and around 2:45 my time Ceej will make a topic and remove enough votes from Vincent to make Dante win with exactly 19 votes. Yep.

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I feel like reposting.

From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 8/30/2005 2:18:07 PM | Message Detail
I totally called this.

"Dante/Vincent will be relatively close. It won't be 70/30, and anyone who thinks otherwise should have their predicting priveledges revoked. It won't even be 60/40." - Me

And the response I got was something like this.

"lol that not wut the xstats say"
"right... and Kerrigan would struggle with Guybrush"
"Even putting Kerrigan around Freeman's level means Vincent is as strong as Zero and Ganondorf"

Told you so. :P

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Have I metioned how sexy Lucid is lately?

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As well as the DS has done, has Canvas Curse really moved that many units?

And how well did Kirby's adjusted predict him against Tidus' unadjusted?
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As well as the DS has done, has Canvas Curse really moved that many units?

Hellz yeah. And look at the reviews it's getting, everywhere. It's looking to become a classic.
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Wheels within wheels; in a spiral array,
A pattern so grand and complex.

Kirby rose because of both Canvas Course and the general Nintendo characters increase. Tidus is the main character of a Final Fantasy game that was for many fans disappointing... and it's a game of some years ago, so his popularity is clearily descending.

So, this doesn't make Kirby a powerful character for the contest. He's going down to Bowser in the Division Final, in fact.
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EC is sexing up the whole stats topic lately.

I see nothing unexpected has happened.. we'll see if Dante can keep it under 54%. it looks like 54% is a good guess as to where this will end.

not bad, Dante. not bad.
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Hellz yeah. And look at the reviews it's getting, everywhere. It's looking to become a classic.

You don't actually look up sales figures do you?

The month of Kirby: Canvas Curse's release showed the DS reach its lowest in terms of units sold. Hell, Kirby was outsold by Coded Arms and Midnight Club 3.
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5/18/05
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I have been known to sex one or two things in my day.

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...Every day.
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Sales don't have much to do with popularity on GameFAQs.

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I was more wondering the number of units sold, rather than the rank of the game...seeing as how GameFAQs' audience can potentially make up a proportionally greater amount of a game's audience than one might think. Alucard's popularity, for instance, is a fine example of this.
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As are the lack of popularity of Master Chief, CJ and Vercetti.

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No, sales don't matter with popularity here. I have no doubt that Kirby got a boost from Canvas Curse, and I'm almost positive that it got a boost mostly from people who haven't even played it.
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5/18/05
Never forget. Never forgive.

And the 3% boost Dante gained from a poor selling DMC3.

>___________>

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See, what I meant, but more succinctly. Thing is, there's a threshold it has to cross before it can conceivably affect even the GameFAQs population on a considerable level, and I was wondering if it had passed that.
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See, what I meant, but more succinctly. Thing is, there's a threshold it has to cross before it can conceivably affect even the GameFAQs population on a considerable level, and I was wondering if it had passed that.

Every Nintendo character with a game on the DS is ripping this contest apart, the DS has clearly affected the contest.
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Wheels within wheels; in a spiral array,
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So did it sell poorly or not? Sports games sell a lot more than other game genres but that doesn't matter in this contest. We just want to know how well Kirby's game did sales-wise.

I don't know why it matters so much... it's been said sales don't matter.

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Well, for one, the game's design and recentness makes its sales figures very reliable in gauging the total audience--you're not going to get any numbers above what the sales project due to emulating, for instance. I don't really want to see if it was a blockbuster or even a big seller. I just want to make sure that the game didn't totally bomb. If it did, then I'd be skeptical about an increase.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

All I was able to manage to find was it's sales figures for July which was 49,058. It debuted June 13th in NA.

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That's only partially true. There is a certain cut-off point (in terms of sales) that a character requires in order to perform decently enough in this contest. That's why Laharl is fodder and Alucard isn't an elite character.