I intend to post to be more than just a "my bad" regarding this. I am not going to laugh this off.

Clearly, I was mistaken to an extreme degree about this. I am not going to attempt to defend myself in any way.

And no, I can't blame this on bias, as I don't actually have any particular fondness for Vincent. I truly believed Dante didn't stand a chance here. I was wrong, to a profound degree (Dante currently has almost 47%, certainly higher than I what I thought was his ceiling).

If there was anyone I upset, I bow down before you (and I don't mean this in any sort of facetious way). I was horribly mistaken, and people have the right to say whatever they like to me. I will not blow it off.

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Hey, I thought Vincent had a shot at taking out Crono. Granted, it was the day of the match and I never said anything about it because I knew I'd be ridiculed and I changed my mind soon enough, but I considered it. I just don't like underestimating FF7 in any situation. Vincent will still be near-elite or elite, almost certainly. Not bad for an optional character, and he can only get better after DoC.
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I don't see why you people are complaining about some people thinking Vincent had a chance to take out Crono. Surely discussion like that is what the stats topics are for. Not only that, I don't ***** when you state something I disagree with.

I don't care that people were saying that, it's that people were saying that, then bashing the fact that I and others thought it would be a close match. Now what I'm irked about is being told that it never happened.

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Where are the old stat topics being archived now?

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out of curiosity, what does you upsetting people and Dante performing above your expectations have to do with each other? the posts were either offensive or they weren't, regardless of the outcome. (I myself wasn't offended, by the way.)
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From: Delirium Trigger | Posted: 8/30/2005 8:49:53 AM | Message Detail
I don't care that people were saying that, it's that people were saying that, then bashing the fact that I and others thought it would be a close match. Now what I'm irked about is being told that it never happened.

You guys were just as bad saying it wont happen from what I've seen...
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Oh, and while we're at it, I'm almost certain the higher vote totals didn't favor Vyse. Tifa's not on Seph level, obviously.

Just stating the obvious...
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Well, then. It appears I was owned. Thank god I can console myself with the fact that against Kerrigan, Vincent's % gains were much smaller between :30-:45 than they have been against Dante. He might end up significantly closer, but he's pulling away faster.
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Dante attempts to stall Vincent again.
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I thought the higher the percentage, though, the harder it was to increase said percentage? Wouldn't that hold true here?
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"(Dante currently has almost 47%, certainly higher than I what I thought was his ceiling)."

A figure that is certain to change in the comming hours, my friend.
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Well, Vincent could certainly pull away to a higher percentage much more easily than he did against Kerrigan. Heck, Sephiroth was able to pull away to nearly 60/40 against Bowser.
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I'll give a cookie to the first person who can point me towards the previous stat topics.

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"I thought the higher the percentage, though, the harder it was to increase said percentage? Wouldn't that hold true here?"

Right, but that means Vincent has an outside shot of pulling away past the 60% mark, considering that fact. Very slim, I know, but it consoles me to no end at this moment.
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Whenever I'm looking for an archived stat topic, I actually Google it. <___<
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Go Dante!
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No gain for Vincent.
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TRE has pretty much all of them, you should ask him.
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Here's your cookie, Chichi. Thanks, much.

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I thought the higher the percentage, though, the harder it was to increase said percentage? Wouldn't that hold true here?

Theoretically, that's true. But in reality, a character isn't going to swing much from the start of the match to the end, no matter how the match begins.

Example: In Snake vs. Tanner, Snake had to get 19 votes for every vote Tanner got in order to maintain his percentage. This sounds challenging, but Tanner's not suddenly going to start getting a huge number of votes.
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A figure that is certain to change in the comming hours, my friend.

Well, Dante could rise, and even win. He's got a good shot.


And for any I might have angered, you can take some solace in the fact that this will hurt me a lot in the Oracle challenge (as well as in the fact that I am acutely aware now that I was wrong).
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I don't think you angered anyone. Just annoyed. We stil wuved you, even if you were being a poop.

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Dante has virtually no chance of winning this. he may keep it close, but winning is pretty much out of the question.

not that I'd mind if he proved me wrong.
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Eh, apologizing so profusely, while perhaps a sign of genuine humility, isn't really warranted here. I doubt anyone here was actually *angered* by anything said in this topic. We just tend to get caught up in the heat of the debates. But it looks like we have a match on our hands, or at least something other than a blowout.
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Considering how similar their vote trends were I'm hard pressed to believe dante will win. Squall, pehaps, but Dante looks to be done for another season.
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How can I hate cn with all of his sexiness? Completely impossible.

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Well, depending on your definition of 'blowout', of course. I don't think Vincent will break 70% or anything like that here on in.
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Well, whoever it was that said Dante has yet to lose respectably can now say that this is no longer the case.
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Heck, Sephiroth was able to pull away to nearly 60/40 against Bowser.

Whoa...I already forgot how strange Sephiroth/Bowser was. Sephiroth increased his % almost every single update, consistently until the end of the match. That's just crazy, and I doubt we'll see it again.
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Especially if he still puts Crono to the test :) That'd certianly be the best case scenario for me, loving all three characters and all.
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Stall, stall, jump, stall, stall, jump. This is reminding me of Snake/Zelda. I'd say 55/45 is a good estimate for the end of this match.
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These are some weird, weird clips. Vincent's vote totals per 5 minutes are jumping all over the place.
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..and Dante's are staying pretty consistent. I'm not calling vote stuffing just yet though.

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Insuficient data.
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I can actually see Vincent getting erratic vote totals, and I could bet dollars to donuts it could be due in part to the optional status. The FF7 vote will always be strong, but every once in a while I'm guessing a decent percentage of the FF7 fans won't know who Vincent is, and it'll cost him an update here and there.
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Give me 10 more minutes of data and if it does what it has been doing, then we have a Kefka/Vercetti like pattern going.
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God, I miss the days when only 10 people came to the CSaD just because I didn't have to wade through so many poorly constructed arguments and misinformed comments

...and where the **** did that come from? If I was off a bit on my statement, you could've just corrected me politely now, christ.
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Insuficient data.

True. Getting a bit ahead of myself, after all the chastising I did? Bad Karma.
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I love Chichiri, but Chichiri and politely should never be associated with one another.
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Give me 10 more minutes of data and if it does what it has been doing, then we have a Kefka/Vercetti like pattern going.

Ugh, but that's *corrupted* data.
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"Give me 10 more minutes of data and if it does what it has been doing, then we have a Kefka/Vercetti like pattern going."

Odd, because even after 3 hours of it I was still leery of calling shenanigans on the match and said so to you personally, didn't I? It's strange, but not enough so, and if it's fraudulent then we'll know in due course.
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Dante's trying to hold his own. At this point, Vincent still has the match in hand. The only matter left to decide is the final percentage.
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Kefka/Vercetti cheating really didnt cross my mind, but I just found the entire thing odd. We were watching it and it kept doing the exact same pattern.
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"...and where the **** did that come from? If I was off a bit on my statement, you could've just corrected me politely now, christ."

I got the point across though. I'll appologize, if you like, but be forewarned that further statements that off-base will be met similarly. It's nothing against you, I'm just tired of random people coming in and saying things that aren't even remotely correct.
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Yes, but several other matches have done it as well. We wen't over that. Something could be fishy, sure, but why not wait until there's a bit more of a discernable pattern?
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Yep. Same pattern. Large gain, smaller gain, virtually no gain, Large gain, etc...
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Another successful stall by Dante, and he's back over 47% here. I'll be interested to see how this looks when I wake up.

Night all.
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Yeah, it is far too early to call shenanigans... not too early to start looking into it and monitoring it, but hell, it could be any number of things at this point.

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You know, I hate to say this because I'm rooting for Vincent, but this really does look pretty odd.

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From: Mister Mario | Posted: 8/30/2005 3:58:36 AM | Message Detail | #072
I don't think you angered anyone. Just annoyed. We stil wuved you, even if you were being a poop.

From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 8/30/2005 3:59:11 AM | Message Detail | #074
Eh, apologizing so profusely, while perhaps a sign of genuine humility, isn't really warranted here. I doubt anyone here was actually *angered* by anything said in this topic.

BTW, just to be clear, the point of my apology wasn't to try to put a positive spin on this. I meant it. I am truly floored that Dante is keeping this close. I absolutely am stunned. When I saw Dante with 48% my eyes bulged out.

And while I might be skipping some people, I would like to specifically say "I was wrong, you were right" to Mumei, Delirium Trigger, Lopen, and charmander.

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