I expect that even if Tifa squeaks by Sonic (and it *will* be a squeak if she makes it), that Vyse dropped, big time, for reasons previously stated. I never did like defining him as the fodder line in the stead of a simple percentage.

But as usual, I'm getting ahead of myself. Once again, I anticipate Tifa/Luigi as either the match to silence all doubts or raise even more questions.
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Fact is, though, that Tifa went up agaisnt a known entity that I doubt would drop below 17% or so and that still makes her increadibly strong.

You say that like it's completely impossible that Tifa over-performed on fodder.

Then again, some of you were so wrapped up in your own hype/hate that you're failing to recognize that Vincent is still performing on near elite levels, so why should I bother.

Well, after everyone was making those high predictions and calling Vincent over Crono, 54% is a let-down of some sort.
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Dante vs. Vincent - Bracket: Vincent - Vote: Vincent (46/52)

then I think she'll still, at the least, give Sonic a great match

Definitely.

Wait, show me where we have been wrong about Tifa again?

Saying that she can defeat Sonic and Mega Man was wrong. Vincent is showing us that he's overrated right now (to those thinking he can defeat Crono, or get very close to him). The only way Tifa can defeat Sonic right now is if Sonic has fallen, hard. I don't see that happening.
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I still think Tifa will be stronger than Aeris. Vincent may not be (though it looks like he'll cut it close), but I'm still fairly confident Tifa will be.
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Sonic > Tifa > Aeris > Vincent
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After what he did to KOS-MOS I'll consider anything short of a complete massacre to up in the air. I don't honestly care how much she beats Sonic by, but if she beats Sonic it will be awesome incarnate and Tifa's middle of the pack in FF7 as far as I'm concerned. For the same reason I had hoped beyond hope that Magus 2k3 was correct (despite not really giving a crap about Magus) I hope Tifa can win... somebody needs to break up (or a tleast shake up) the elite group.

Besides, Vyse'd have to take quite a fall to let Sonic beat Tifa... there's no reason for that.
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Tifa might take Sonic to the egde, scoring high 40's on him, but won't win. Her match with Luigi will help support or disprove that.

And dang, I thought Vincent would do better than this, since I figured he'd be right under Crono, and get close to 65... Guess not. Crono > Vincent for sure.

Also, the Tifa vs. Luigi pic is hilarious...

Luigi: *Looks down, is in shock* "I-a have to face-a that?!"
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Saying that she can defeat Sonic and Mega Man was wrong.

There was nothing and still is nothing wrong about saying that Tifa can beat Sonic and Mega Man. Nothing has happened that should change anyone's opinion on those matches. I can't believe you're grouping Vincent and Tifa together like that. It's absurd.

Vincent is showing us that he's overrated right now (to those thinking he can defeat Crono, or get very close to him).

Vincent also went up against an unknown who had never appeared before in this contest. Our own personal expectations made Vincent "overrated," on the matter of taking on someone like Crono. Tifa, however, went up against someone who has proven to be constant since he entered in this contest. The stats, along with some of us, are projecting Tifa to beat Sonic. It isn't a matter of just seeing a great performance against an unknown and then calling it.

The only way Tifa can defeat Sonic right now is if Sonic has fallen, hard. I don't see that happening.

Sonic doesn't have to go anywhere for Tifa to win that match.

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His fighting style, using a pool cue and ball as its main components, makes use of multiple objects not normally treated as weapons.

Besides, Vyse'd have to take quite a fall to let Sonic beat Tifa... there's no reason for that.

The long stretch of time since the release of his game and the influx of a casual vote that almost certainly doesn't favor him isn't a potential reason?
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

"You say that like it's completely impossible that Tifa over-performed on fodder."

Because I don't believe characters magically becomes stronger or weaker just because their opponents are of a given strength. Look at Ansem, he didn't just magically do better against CATS than he should have because he's from Kingdom Hearts. Hell, look at MC, he didn't do it either. Just because a character is fodder doesn't mean there's a limitation to what they can do and that they will just fall apart to one character as if it were a much stronger character.
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.

Besides, Vyse'd have to take quite a fall to let Sonic beat Tifa... there's no reason for that.

Higher vote totals.

Also, why do you guys always throw down this theory of popular characters absolutely destroying fodder/less popular characters? It happened in Kirby/Cecil, Dante/Terra, Vincent/Kerrigan and Luigi/KOS-MOS. I'm absolutely positive that Tifa overperformed against Vyse because of this.
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The long stretch of time since the release of his game and the influx of a casual vote that almost certainly doesn't favor him isn't a potential reason?

Vyse performed the same in our highest "casual year" and our year when casual support was down by quite a bit. There's no reason to expect him to take a drop that's actually worth noting.

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His fighting style, using a pool cue and ball as its main components, makes use of multiple objects not normally treated as weapons.

There's no solid evidence for the first three. It's just a guess (and I would highly doubt it in the case of Dante/Terra and Kirby/Cecil. Final Fantasy isn't an unknown here. If anything, Kirby overperformed due to the unrecognizable picture).
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Me, after Kirby/Cecil:

There was nothing and still is nothing wrong about saying that Terra can beat Dante. Nothing has happened that should change anyone's opinion on that match. I can't believe you're grouping Terra and Cecil together like that. It's absurd.

I think that I learned from that mistake. It would appear that others have not.
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Vyse performed the same in our highest "casual year" and our year when casual support was down by quite a bit. There's no reason to expect him to take a drop that's actually worth noting.

Skies of Arcadia Legends was released in North America in 2003, right before the contest. The length of time between then and now is enough to suggest a significant drop to me.
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Well, the thing is, regardless of Vincent underperforming our expectations here, it still puts him relatively close to Aeris. I said I would take Tifa over Aeris and Vincent before all of this, and I still stand by that.
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Skies of Arcadia Legends was released in North America in 2003, right before the contest. The length of time between then and now is enough to suggest a significant drop to me.

It was released in January 2003 and sold roughly the amount the original did (~115,000). If he can perform decently that year, perform the very same the next year, I see no reason to expect a significant drop. After being constant for two years, he's just going to plummet? Not only does he significantly drop, but he drops to near even or under Laharl. Yeah, that makes complete sense. It's not Tifa's strength or anything.

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His fighting style, using a pool cue and ball as its main components, makes use of multiple objects not normally treated as weapons.

It was released in January 2003 and sold roughly the amount the original did (~115,000). If he can perform decently that year, perform the very same the next year, I see no reason to expect a significant drop. After being constant for two years, he's just going to plummet? Not only does he significantly drop, but he drops to near even or under Laharl. Yeah, that makes complete sense. It's not Tifa's strength or anything.

I think I could do one of those replacing things where I switch Vyse:KOS-MOS, Soa/L:XS/2, and Tifa:Luigi, but everybody seems to disregard that for no reason whatsoever.
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"Higher vote totals."

Vyse stayed steady from higher to lower. Sonic actually took a dive when out totals were higher. I'm afraid that argument isn't on your side, even if it doesn't work against you.

"It happened in Kirby/Cecil, Dante/Terra, Vincent/Kerrigan and Luigi/KOS-MOS."

None of those characters had stats previously other than KOS-MOS. Considering the fact that it was the people who talked against Vincent that said Kerrigan was just plain weak you haven't a leg there. Terra and Cecil are both FF leads from older games, most people expected if one failed the other did as well. Considering the ensemble cast many people expected Terra to be weak. Kirby almost certainly gaines and Dante migh have gone up fairly well himself. Your arguments on those are weak. As far as Luigi, his last match was gainst Yoshi who went up against Link. As we saw from Link/Fox/Pikachu SFF exists between games, so I have little doubt Luigi was highly underrated. Also, XS 2 was apparently a flop, so an increase was pretty much out of the question... There is more, but I have to be goign to work soon. Either way, your argument is groundless and there are 5 times as many counter points to work with.

"I'm absolutely positive that Tifa overperformed against Vyse because of this."

I'm absolutely possitive you haven't been doing this long enough, then.
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It was released in January 2003 and sold roughly the amount the original did (~115,000).

Which, of course, can account for a boost, *especially* on GameFAQs.

If he can perform decently that year, perform the very same the next year, I see no reason to expect a significant drop.

Except you're assuming the lower vote totals didn't help recoup any potential drop. I'm not.

After being constant for two years, he's just going to plummet? Not only does he significantly drop, but he drops to near even or under Laharl. Yeah, that makes complete sense.

OMG two years?! Seriously, characters can rise and fall with the times. And Laharl isn't even worth addressing, as it's just nitpicking through fodder at this point. Not that he's fallen *that* far. Just that he's fallen.

It's not Tifa's strength or anything.

To put her on Samus level? Forgive me if I laugh in your face.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

XS2 may have 'flopped', but so did DMC2. Look what that did for Dante.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

"OMG two years?! Seriously, characters can rise and fall with the times."

Yes, but then people who have every reason to increase don't (See: MC) so you really haven't got any grounds with which to say he did drop, and especially not to that degree.
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.

There was nothing and still is nothing wrong about saying that Tifa can beat Sonic and Mega Man. Nothing has happened that should change anyone's opinion on those matches. I can't believe you're grouping Vincent and Tifa together like that. It's absurd.

Well, a main reason for people expecting Tifa to win was because her and Vincent had amazing first round matches, which made people think that both of them were among the elite characters. Since then, Vincent proved otherwise.

And yes, I am grouping Tifa and Vincent together. I'm expecting that Vincent will be a bith weaker then her though. I'm doing what most other people are doing, and considering that Tifa and Vincent is somewhere around Aeris' level, which is not enough to defeat Sonic.

Vincent also went up against an unknown who had never appeared before in this contest. Our own personal expectations made Vincent "overrated," on the matter of taking on someone like Crono. Tifa, however, went up against someone who has proven to be constant since he entered in this contest. The stats, along with some of us, are projecting Tifa to beat Sonic. It isn't a matter of just seeing a great performance against an unknown and then calling it.

We know how amazing the stats have been so far. Again, let me repeat what I think on this matter. FF7 is a lot more popular then Skies of Arcadia. Since we have thousands of more voters, most of those votes will go to FF7 and its characters. Tifa gained a lot more percentage then what she should have got.

Call it SFF or whatever you want, but this is the way that I'm thinking. It worked against Samus in 2004, it worked against Vincent right now, and I think it's going to work against Tifa.

Sonic doesn't have to go anywhere for Tifa to win that match.

Do you really believe that Tifa is as strong as Sonic? I'm talking about deep down in your heart, not your FF7 bias. Do you think that 50K+ voters would think that Tifa is stronger then Sonic?

That's all that matters right now. I don't believe it, and I won't until she proves me wrong.
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DMC2 "flopping" and Xenosaga II flopping are two completely different things.
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Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

"XS2 may have 'flopped', but so did DMC2. Look what that did for Dante."

Voter shift, meaning his gain could simply be due to more casual voters.
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.

Yes, but then people who have every reason to increase don't (See: MC) so you really haven't got any grounds with which to say he did drop, and especially not to that degree.

Hey, I'm just saying what I think, here. If you don't want to believe Vyse dropped, that's fine. I have my reasons, and you have your own. We'll see soon enough.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

Voter shift, meaning his gain could simply be due to more casual voters.

True, but then we can't ever potentially attribute a popularity boost to games due to voter shifts. For all we know, in 2003 the new influx of voters were just very FF oriented, and gave Cloud and Sephy their boosts independent of KH.
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"Well, a main reason for people expecting Tifa to win was because her and Vincent had amazing first round matches, which made people think that both of them were among the elite characters. Since then, Vincent proved otherwise."

Right, instead of being at 36% Vincent will likely be at 32%. He's not elite but he's as close as you can get.

"And yes, I am grouping Tifa and Vincent together."

Of course you are, no sense in use logic at this point, right?

"We know how amazing the stats have been so far"

They've only failed me on a single match, when I used them, and they got me the Kirby/Tidus match that most everyone else missed. I can't help it that you don't konw how to use them.

"It worked against Samus in 2004,"

Her perfomance agianst cloud Matched Gordon 2k3, and Sam Fisher has since proven himself to be where Samus put him in his match against DK. Apparently you don't grasp the big picture.
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.

Which, of course, can account for a boost, *especially* on GameFAQs.

I can imagine it giving him a small boost, perhaps being the reason to throw him into the contest. Again, nothing that I would considering something to note or argue over.

Except you're assuming the lower vote totals didn't help recoup any potential drop. I'm not.

Obviously.

OMG two years?! Seriously, characters can rise and fall with the times.

You're talking about a guy who is going to take a sudden drop out of nowhere for what reason again? Higher vote totals? Right.

Not that he's fallen *that* far. Just that he's fallen.

Sonic is projected to get 78.76% against Laharl. Tifa got 78.07% against Vyse. In order to be around even, Vyse would have to drop that far. He'd have to go even further, or have Sonic increase, in order to Sonic to win without worry.

To put her on Samus level? Forgive me if I laugh in your face.

It's perfectly possible that there are other such factors that prevent Tifa from being on par with Samus, yet still don't say that Vyse dropped. I consider it a possibility that Tifa could have overperformed against Vyse by a small amount for whatever reason -- should she actually not end up ranking near Samus. But I find it near impossible to believe that Vyse took a significant drop out of nowhere.

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His fighting style, using a pool cue and ball as its main components, makes use of multiple objects not normally treated as weapons.

For all we know, in 2003 the new influx of voters were just very FF oriented, and gave Cloud and Sephy their boosts independent of KH.

That might be a valid point if they hadn't held up in 2004. Dante dropped when the vote totals did, but they didn't (Well, Cloud didn't anyway, but Seph dropping doesn't mean KHF was due to higher totals).
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There's one thing though--independent of statistics, I don't understand WHY Tifa would be so far ahead of Aeris and Vincent. In any case, they would theoretically hover around the same relative popularity level, right? Why would Tifa be SO much more popular, despite not being the main character (Cloud) or a villain (Sephy)?
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

"True, but then we can't ever potentially attribute a popularity boost to games due to voter shifts. "

But then as was pointed out, the DMC2 "flop" sold several times as many games as XS2. It was a flop only to reviewers and whatnot, otherwise it pushed more copies than most do.
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.

", I don't understand WHY Tifa would be so far ahead of Aeris and Vincent."

Perhaps yo uhaven't played the game...
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.

I can imagine it giving him a small boost, perhaps being the reason to throw him into the contest. Again, nothing that I would considering something to note or argue over.

Why not? We're measuring a guy who is basically as close to fodder as you can get without actually being fodder. It doesn't exactly take that many units to influence someone that unpopular.

You're talking about a guy who is going to take a sudden drop out of nowhere for what reason again? Higher vote totals? Right.

You have yet to prove it's not a possibility.

Sonic is projected to get 78.76% against Laharl. Tifa got 78.07% against Vyse. In order to be around even, Vyse would have to drop that far. He'd have to go even further, or have Sonic increase, in order to Sonic to win without worry.

I'm quite aware of that. I'm also quite aware, as you should very well be, that there is rarely one simple explanation for what happens in the polls. Yes, I think Vyse dropped, but I also think Tifa overperformed as well. A combination of both would potentially keep Vyse over Laharl (who also did worse this year, IIRC), and validate my claim.

It's perfectly possible that there are other such factors that prevent Tifa from being on par with Samus, yet still don't say that Vyse dropped. I consider it a possibility that Tifa could have overperformed against Vyse by a small amount for whatever reason -- should she actually not end up ranking near Samus. But I find it near impossible to believe that Vyse took a significant drop out of nowhere.

Except it's not 'out of nowhere', as I have stated beforehand.
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Well, a main reason for people expecting Tifa to win was because her and Vincent had amazing first round matches, which made people think that both of them were among the elite characters. Since then, Vincent proved otherwise.

Why are you even bringing Vincent up? He was talked about alongside of her because they both had great performances. But Vincent's performance didn't make people think Tifa would follow and be 'elite' as well. It was her performance against Vyse that made people suspect that. Nothing to do with Vincent.

And yes, I am grouping Tifa and Vincent together. I'm expecting that Vincent will be a bith weaker then her though. I'm doing what most other people are doing, and considering that Tifa and Vincent is somewhere around Aeris' level, which is not enough to defeat Sonic.

You're using Vincent as means to justify believing that Tifa will be 'overrated' as well. That's the main issue I have here. Tifa's performance against Vyse suggests that she's far above Sonic. Now, I don't fully believe that she is as far as the stats suggest, but there would need to be some ridiculous things happen in order to think otherwise at this point. You cannot by any means call that match in favor of Sonic based entirely on Vincent's performance today. Your own expectations for these characters are not, by any means, the correct ones. I thought Vincent would rank ahead of Tifa, who would rank ahead of Aeris, and I could very well be wrong about that. It's looking likely that Tifa will rank quite a bit above Vincent.

We know how amazing the stats have been so far.

The stats have had a few little problems arise, but nothing at all to disregard them.

Since we have thousands of more voters, most of those votes will go to FF7 and its characters. Tifa gained a lot more percentage then what she should have got.

Did Cloud gain a lot more percentage then what he should have got against Vyse in 2004?

Do you really believe that Tifa is as strong as Sonic?

I see nothing wrong with thinking such a thing. When you consider what website we're at, I find it very likely, as opposed to unlikely. I know I like Tifa far more than Sonic, so I wouldn't say it's crazy talk to think that many other people would feel the same way.

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His fighting style, using a pool cue and ball as its main components, makes use of multiple objects not normally treated as weapons.

"Well, a main reason for people expecting Tifa to win was because her and Vincent had amazing first round matches, which made people think that both of them were among the elite characters. Since then, Vincent proved otherwise."

Right, instead of being at 36% Vincent will likely be at 32%. He's not elite but he's as close as you can get.

So, you think that Tifa is considerably stronger then Vincent?

"And yes, I am grouping Tifa and Vincent together."

Of course you are, no sense in use logic at this point, right?

If you actually read what I said, you would understand why. I predicted that Aeris, Tifa and Vincent would be around the same strength. Many others have predicted the same thing. That's why I'm predicting Tifa and Vincent to both be overrated right now.

"We know how amazing the stats have been so far"

They've only failed me on a single match, when I used them, and they got me the Kirby/Tidus match that most everyone else missed. I can't help it that you don't konw how to use them.

Wow, great of you to comment on one sentence instead of the entire point I made.

"It worked against Samus in 2004,"

Her perfomance agianst cloud Matched Gordon 2k3, and Sam Fisher has since proven himself to be where Samus put him in his match against DK. Apparently you don't grasp the big picture.

Ok, let's see here. The stats showed Samus to overperform greatly in her first two matches back then. The stats were proved wrong. It doesn't matter what reason, they were wrong.

And what are you trying to say with that post exactly? Samus' performance against Cloud matched Gordon? Lara's performance? Which "her" are you talking about?
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But then as was pointed out, the DMC2 "flop" sold several times as many games as XS2. It was a flop only to reviewers and whatnot, otherwise it pushed more copies than most do.

Yeah, but you have to take into account comparisons to the original game and the relative popularity of the characters. DMC sold far more than Xenosaga I, so it's pretty safe to say Xenosaga II ain't touching DMC2.

Perhaps yo uhaven't played the game...

I have, many times. If anything, that would reinforce my claims. Vincent I can see being a bit lower, but Aeris has left such a lasting impression on the gaming community that she has become infamous to this day. Tifa is still only a side character, albeit an important one.
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There's one thing though--independent of statistics, I don't understand WHY Tifa would be so far ahead of Aeris and Vincent.

You did play Final Fantasy VII, correct? You meet Tifa long before the other two -- yes, I'm not counting that first encounter with Aerith in the slums where she sells you a flower -- and she's there until the very end. She has the storyline prominence that Vincent lacks and has time in the game that Aerith lacks. All things considered, it would be rather shocking if Tifa didn't place ahead of those two by a significant margin.

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His fighting style, using a pool cue and ball as its main components, makes use of multiple objects not normally treated as weapons.

Did Cloud gain a lot more percentage then what he should have got against Vyse in 2004?

Did Cloud have thousands of more people to benifit from in 2004?
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If that's true, why didn't Barret make it into the contest? Or Cid? Or Red XIII? Would they all be stronger than Aeris and Vincent?
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You've got to keep in mind that LIKEABILITY is a very important factor as well. Tifa is very likeable, for various reasons.
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You've got to keep in mind that LIKEABILITY is a very important factor as well. Tifa is very likeable, for various reasons.

That's *speculation*. And I was far more fond of, say, Barret than Tifa. I'm sure there are many who would share my same sentiments for many of the characters. The fanbase is likely split between many of them. Why Tifa would rise alone above everyone, closer to Cloud and Sephiroth than the others, is unfathomable to me. That's something that I would have to see to believe, GameFAQs or not.
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Last responses before I head to work

"So, you think that Tifa is considerably stronger then Vincent?"

Yes, unfortunately I have to conceede that point. For it to not be so Vyse would have to fall to the level of someone he beat with ease. I could see him, but not to that degree.

"If you actually read what I said, you would understand why."

I read what you said, it's still not logical because FF7 characters in the past have proven to each have their own strength.

"Many others have predicted the same thing."

Many people predicted Vincent would be giving Crono a run for his money. As much as I wish that were true it should become obvious that just because a lot of people predicted it doesn't make it true. Since I love to rub it in, the vast majority predicted Tidus to beat Kirby, they were wrong. Doesn't matter how many people you get to predict it, it doesn't make it correct.

"The stats were proved wrong. It doesn't matter what reason, they were wrong."

So blame Magus, Samus did exactly what she was supposed to on Sam Fisher. Lara, ew have no clue. All we know is that she kept dropping popularity every year.

"Which "her" are you talking about?"

Which "her" had a match against Cloud? Samus. Her match against Cloud put Gordon Freeman exactly where the stats put him at. Again, some people aren't good at using the XSt, that doesn't make the stats as a whole wrong. Gordon, not Sam, was the charactre we should have paid attention to in terms of prediction. And, as back up, Sam came back again and did to DK exactly what he shoul dhave based on Samus. It's all there, it all went the way it was supposed (minus Magus) and it shows that upper level characters down lay the extra smackdown on the competition.
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No balls to be bustin', no fightin', no cussin'... just a love for a drug called contest statin'.

Why you think Tifa would be below anyone other than Cloud, Sephy, Vincent, and Aeris is beyond me. Yes, there are plenty who would prefer Barret to her, but there's no way he's stronger than her. There's really no reason why she CANNOT be stronger than Aeris. Heck, it looks like Rikku could end up stronger than Yuna. What's so wrong about Tifa > Aeris? I personally think it's a similar situation.
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Why you think Tifa would be below anyone other than Cloud, Sephy, Vincent, and Aeris is beyond me. Yes, there are plenty who would prefer Barret to her, but there's no way he's stronger than her. There's really no reason why she CANNOT be stronger than Aeris. Heck, it looks like Rikku could end up stronger than Yuna. What's so wrong about Tifa > Aeris? I personally think it's a similar situation.

I see *nothing* wrong with Tifa > Aeris. Hell, I wouldn't put it past her to make it past Sonic, if only barely. But I have a hard time accepting Tifa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aeris by leaps and bounds, especially given that Aeris was in KH and she wasn't.
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Only the Snake is the true hero. Solid Snake to the Final Four!

Many people predicted Vincent would be giving Crono a run for his money. As much as I wish that were true it should become obvious that just because a lot of people predicted it doesn't make it true. Since I love to rub it in, the vast majority predicted Tidus to beat Kirby, they were wrong. Doesn't matter how many people you get to predict it, it doesn't make it correct.

Many people are also predicting that Tifa is going to beat Sonic.

Which "her" had a match against Cloud? Samus. Her match against Cloud put Gordon Freeman exactly where the stats put him at. Again, some people aren't good at using the XSt, that doesn't make the stats as a whole wrong. Gordon, not Sam, was the charactre we should have paid attention to in terms of prediction. And, as back up, Sam came back again and did to DK exactly what he shoul dhave based on Samus. It's all there, it all went the way it was supposed (minus Magus) and it shows that upper level characters down lay the extra smackdown on the competition.

And how come Vyse is suddenly immuned to this happening to him?
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"ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'." - Topaz Kitsune
*Waiting for Guru winner's sig*

I think she'll be clearly ahead of Aeris, though not necessarily by leaps and bounds.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Don't argue with HM about FF7, he is the king of fanboyism, his opinion becomes distorted >_>

I am a huge Squall and FF8 fan, and still expect Vincent (who I think is easily the best character in the game) to defeat him. They may be on the same level, and many people may think they need to vote for him because he is from FF7.
Crono: 59%
Vincent: 41%

Tifa should be able to take out Luigi with a decent margin, but I doubt her ability to take Sonic down....though Tifa has every reason to be the 3rd most popular character from the game.
Sonic the Hedgehog: 54%
Tifa Lockheart: 46%


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"Frog > Samus, because Samus is a woman." - Dino Duck

Barret > Vincent.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Squall Leonhart for the win!
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna