Since everyone is debating Tifa/Luigi, I thought I'd whip up a quick match pic. What do you think?

http://users.triconet.org/rskovan/tifa_luigi.jpg

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Yeah, as long as he stays over 71% he shows absolutely no sign of weakening AND the possibility of increasing if MM somehow actually was SFFed by Link.
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First you make a circle, then you dot the eyes, add a great big smile and presto, it's Kirby!

I don't think there will be any noticeable SFF at all in Squall/Vincent, and I definitely don't think Aeris would SFF him. She may be from FFVII, but she's not that well beloved that she would pound Squall into the ground.

Of course she won't, she's not Cloud.

But any SFF, no matter how big or how small, should go FF VII's way.

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That's a nice picture. It looks like Luigi is staring in bewilderment at...something. It's not that hard to figure out, considering his opponent
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"but she's not that well beloved that she would pound Squall into the ground."

I dunno, it looks like Sora could go rounds with Squall and she pounded his ass like a stake.
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First you make a circle, then you dot the eyes, add a great big smile and presto, it's Kirby!

Squall is not Sora. That's a completely different situation.
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Yes, way better than the Vincent treatment. Good match pic, good "OMG Boobies!" innuendo.
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First you make a circle, then you dot the eyes, add a great big smile and presto, it's Kirby!

I'd take Squall over Sora.
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"Squall is not Sora. That's a completely different situation."

Sure, sure... right.
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First you make a circle, then you dot the eyes, add a great big smile and presto, it's Kirby!

That's Luigi's golf pic, right? I likes, though I like his match pic with Yoshi last year better (tennis, I think?).
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

In my opinion, just 4 characters can win now - Mario, Crono, Vincent and Tifa.

wrong. it should be:

In my opinion, just 4 characters can win now - Mario, Samus, Vincent and Tifa.

Samus did to Frog what Crono is doing to Vercetti right now. would anyone honestly take Vercetti over Frog? if MC is still at his 2K3 value (which it seems like he is, if not stronger) and Frog is even with MC, then they are both still higher than Vercetti's 2K3 value. and that was Vercetti's strongest year. after his performance against Kefka, it's likely that he dropped even further. based on that, i see no way that Crono could beat Samus.

i also see no reason why anyone would count Samus out of this already.

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Does anyone actually doubt that Squall wouldn't SFF Sora? He's even more prominent in KH than she is.
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Mario will win.
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I likes, though I like his match pic with Yoshi last year better (tennis, I think?).

Yoshi had his Mario Golf picture. Luigi's was from Double Dash.
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Ah, I see. Thanks for the correction.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

I don't think Crono can beat Samus, I really don't think anyone but Mario can beat Samus. Because of this, I think Crono still has a chance to win if he meets Mario in the finals, but not if he meets Samus.
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Carpe Diem, or so some may say. I don't really know.

Sure, you can take MC's 2k3 value or you can take LS's 2k5 value which gives you a solid matchup between Samus and Crono.
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First you make a circle, then you dot the eyes, add a great big smile and presto, it's Kirby!

Honestly guys, if Mario beats Samus, for whatever reason, he's not jobbing to Crono.

So, unless Tifa or Vincent does something unimaginable, whoever wins Samus/Mario wins this contest.

Btw, if you set Frog = Sp2k5 LS, Samus actually underperformed big time.

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I don't care what anybody says, Vercetti/Frog would be deceptively close; I'd barely take Frog.
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I think Frog would take him easily, and so would DK. Vercetti's not where he was before. Lowering him down to Kefka's level predicts this match almost perfectly.
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Incidentally, how to people feel about a highly debated precontest match: Magus vs Master Chief? It looks like it would be close, after all. ;)
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

well, i don't see it anywhere in this topic, so for tomorrow's reference here's the x-stat values:

2K2 Crono vs. 2K2 Dante - Crono with 66.6%
2K3 Crono vs. 2K3 Dante - Crono with 62.99%
2K4 Crono vs. 2K4 Dante - Crono with 65.73%

2K3 Squall vs. 2K3 Dante - Squall with 55.5%
2K4 Squall (unadjusted) vs. 2K4 Dante - Dante with 55.03%
2K4 Squall (adjusted) vs. 2K4 Dante - Squall with 56.92%

so, i think that if Vincent barely beats Dante, he will lose to Squall. if Vincent gets the 54-57% range, Vincent vs. Squall will be a close match. if Vincent finishes in the 58-62% range, then he will beat Squall, but should lose to Crono. anything between 63-66% and Vincent vs. Crono will be a close match. and if Vincent finishes with 68% or better, he is going to the finals.

that being the case, i think that Vincent will be able to break 60% and finish with somewhere between 62-65%. i'm leaning more towards 63% myself. and that's my two cents on Dante/Vincent/Squall/Crono.

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From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 8/29/2005 9:57:17 PM | Message Detail | #148
I can't see anyway that Squall could SFF Vincent. I'd pick the top 5 FF7 characters(Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, Vincent, Tifa) to be able to SFF him on principal alone.

You know, I wouldn't be too surprised if Red XIII was stronger than Aeris. Or at least stronger than what she's done in the past.
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I would be.
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First you make a circle, then you dot the eyes, add a great big smile and presto, it's Kirby!

Hey, cn, your updater doesn't have a data point for 17:15 for Vincent/Kerrigan. I don't think there's much you can do about it, but I thought I'd let you know.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

No 10:40, either.
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http://users.triconet.org/rskovan/tifa_luigi.jpg

As much as I love Tifa's AC lookl...she reminds too much like Rinoa there...
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*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

It happens from time to time. It doesn't catch 'em all.

Auron/Ganondorf was broken for like an hour, so in case you're wondering where those are, there were no updates. It was all the doing of CATS.
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Bleh. That makes my automatic fifteen minute spreadsheet creator somewhat hard to deal with.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

I don't think Crono can beat Samus, I really don't think anyone but Mario can beat Samus.

Exactly.
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Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~Old Klingon Proverb

Well, Crono certainly doesn't look any stronger this year unless Vercetti is still at his 2003 level, so he'd have his work cut out against Samus.
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Kefka makes my gut feelin' look wrong, but I don't think Vercetti's dropped all that much, if any. Merely gut feelin' though, and I realize I very well can be wrong on this.
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Well, Crono certainly doesn't look any stronger this year unless Vercetti is still at his 2003 level, so he'd have his work cut out against Samus.

After some careful consideration, however, I think it's possible that Cloud did a choke job against Samus last year.

I'll wait and see how the rest of round 2 played out before stating my reasons though.

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It hasn't been mentioned yet, probably with good reason (because it might still be just our own creation), but has anyone given thought to the Nintendo boost in terms of Mario/Crono?
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It hasn't been mentioned yet, probably with good reason (because it might still be just our own creation), but has anyone given thought to the Nintendo boost in terms of Mario/Crono?

As I've said, I don't think the boost affects the elite characters at much as mid and low tier ones, so if anything, it'll just even out the gap and make MvC a 50/50 affair again like in 2003...
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*Claims KG's Eclair & Millia Rage*

Whoa, high vote totals for this match. o_O
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

It hasn't been mentioned yet, probably with good reason (because it might still be just our own creation), but has anyone given thought to the Nintendo boost in terms of Mario/Crono?

Should that happen, Mario will be the clear favorite.

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Allow me to laugh at anyone who thinks Dante even has a remote chance of beating Vincent.

BWA HA HA HA HA.

That is all. Good day.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I still don't see a lot of conclusive evidence for an all Nintendo boost. Yes, Kirby wowed everyone, but he did pretty much what he was expected based on unadjusted Tidus (I think the match would've seemed like a no brainer if we hadn't done the 20XX adjustment). DK almost upset the Chief, but 2003 predicted a close match regardless. Zelda blasted Vivi, but didn't come close to Snake.

I mean, other than Bowser and Ganondorf, there isn't much to go on, so I'd be more willing to call them isolated incidents.
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"I'm-a Luigi, number one!"
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I'm-a Ness, speaking with an Italian accent for some reason, and Auron bombed so I'm looking pretty good!
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Yeah, there's Luigi, but Zelda gave us the same illusions of grandeur. Tifa should bring him back down to earth, too.
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*high fives Phediuk*
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First you make a circle, then you dot the eyes, add a great big smile and presto, it's Kirby!

and Auron bombed so I'm looking pretty good!

...Based on what? A match with a newbie and a completely expected quadrupling against Mario?

By the way, Spring Contest Ganondorf vs. 2004 Auron (through Tails) predicted that match rather well. He didn't exactly bomb.
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And after looking at how Vercetti has seemingly dropped, CJ looking like Jak seems more reasonable, as nobody expected him to be stronger than Tommy in the first place.
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(I think the match would've seemed like a no brainer if we hadn't done the 20XX adjustment)

Nah, I think Magus still had us thinkin' Tidus just chokes to elites; maybe afew more would have bit for Kirby, but I'd still think Tidus woulda been the board favorite.
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<3 Idea of Squall in the Elite Eight
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Tidus would have still been the heavy board favorite. People were all too willing to write off Mega Man/Tidus as an anomaly last year, and that wouldn't have changed without 20XXDF.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

Well, maybe I should say that people wouldn't have been as surprised as they were with the way Kirby beat him.
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I don't use the x-sts religiously when making my bracket, in fact, most people probably don't. I still would have put Tidus over Kirby, though. That still just feels wrong.
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