Crono is looking weaker every day now. Las year magus and frog surprised us a lot, and this year they both totally screwed over. today MC is looking bad, which also makes Frog look even worse.
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Man, to think that I would of taken this upset if I just saw Liquid Snake....
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While we're on the topic of Chrono Trigger, I can't wait for tomorrow's match. If Crono struggles to double Vercetti, he's a goner later on.
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this contest has been designed by cjayc to have the winner get a score almost as low as in 2k2
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Well stats don't say anytihng anymore. You could reason like this: Vercetti = DK > MC=Frog and samus got
70% on frog, so Crono should also get at least around 70%
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Obviously. But the thing is, the only upset so far that's happened in a hard-to-call match was Ness over CJ, and to a lesser extent Kirby over Tidus. The rest are all coming out of left field.
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From: ps2rulezzz | Posted: 8/28/2005 7:48:33 AM | #305
Well stats don't say anytihng anymore. You could reason like this: Vercetti = DK > MC=Frog and samus got
70% on frog, so Crono should also get at least around 70%

Go figure, that's what he'd get!
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I wouldn't be surprised if Samus flopped against Mario, I have this weird feeling she's somehow..over-rated.
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I don't analyse the stats that much, but the stuff from the X stats shouldn't be completely useless. You guys might have to redo some of the rankings and everything, but its not like everything has completely changed. There has to be an explanation for all of this somewhere. Also, none of these characters are static. CJay could probably do the exact same match twice in the span of two weeks, and they wouldn't get exactly the same percentage.

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you know it's actually looking as though aya>MC right now
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Wasn't Magus losing to Knuckles an upset? Yeah well stats are a saying more in what kind of ''category'' a character is. If one get 29% on link and another 30.50%, they both belong in the same category and it could go either way. Of course a lot of matches done by stats are obvious and will mostly differ by a few percents.

And a question, what is mario supposed to get on samus and crono?
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It's getting hard to deny a wide spread nintendo boost. Aside from zelda everyone else in SSBM has more then lived up to expectations. Kirby, bowser, and luigi especially so far. I guess gannon as well. If donkey kong ends up winning this he's also made a good sized boost as well. After seeing vivi he was overrated last year if anything, and now he's taking on a post-halo 2 MC and potentially winning the whole match.
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From: Mister Mario | Posted: 8/28/2005 12:13:20 PM | #275
I don't think Grand Theft Auto will be remembered for it's characters, but I doubt it was ever intended that it be remembered for those characters. Grand Theft Auto will be remembered for it's innovative game design, and the controversy surrounding the series.

Compare Doom. Nonentity of a character, innovative game design (sure, Wolf3D predated it but Doom did so much more with the genre, FPS's were known as Doom clones for years for a reason), controversy, a great game still remembered today.

And can we just take a moment to laugh at Master Chief. He's no Duck Hunt :-)
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Demographics change and a few anomalies we didn't see coming explain most results. Underperformances tend to happen with characters that were closely grouped together in previous years, and Nintendo's owning all this particular contest.

See? Simple.
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Doing a little fun with math, if Samus only got 70% on Frog, who should be close to the 20% BL close to LS and MC, Samus could very well be weaker than 2004 stats say she is..
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Wasn't Magus losing to Knuckles an upset?

Yes, but not of the hard-to-call-before-the-contest variety. Even those who thought Magus was overrated thought he'd beat Knux with ease.
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Doing a little fun with math, if Samus only got 70% on Frog, who should be close to the 20% BL close to LS and MC, Samus could very well be weaker than 2004 stats say she is..

I'm not good with these abbreviations, but is the bl 2k3 link? Because MC was at 26% on that in 2k3. Why would frog only be at 20%?
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Maybe Frog is a bit stronger than the other two... dunno.

Either way we obviously won't be having a Nintendo static reference for this year's stats.
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Because MC was at 26% on that in 2k3. Why would frog only be at 20%?

Honestly, who knows, but by Liquid Snake, it predicts this match almost perfect now.
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I am very, very surprised that DK looks like he's going to get the day vote. I did not expect that at all.
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"I wouldn't be surprised if Samus flopped against Mario, I have this weird feeling she's somehow..over-rated."

I think it's more likely that Mario was under-rated, due to Crono's battle sprite last year. The Magus/Frog revelations really have me worried about that match now.

Right now, I'm glad I have Mario over Samus. Mario for champion! ...Well, I can only wish.
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Honestly, who knows, but by Liquid Snake, it predicts this match almost perfect now.

...Or maybe DK just increased? Is it really that hard to fathom?
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Not just DK, of course. All of Nintendo, rather.
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DK increased alright now i want to see peach and diddy kong and then people will change the slogan from square always wins to nintendo always wins
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I mean I'm just saying that it's unlikely for mc to be a full 6% below his 2k3 level after getting halo 2. Very unlikely.
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Magus is weaker then knuckles and magus won from ganondorf (how he did that I still don't get). Ganondorf = Tidus < Kirby. So kurby is above ganondorf. Now Kirby << alucard >> Tails. So ganondorf is equal to tails. :P funny what you can do with the stats.

But still I would never pick knuckles even above ganondorf.
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Not just DK, of course. All of Nintendo, rather.

Yeah, but some people seem convinced that nintendo hasn't increased accross the board and have just all overperformed. An increase is more likely then half a dozen character or so overperforming.
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DK increasing isn't impossible, I agree, but he lost to Frog, who barely scraped by Liquid Snake, and got blown out by Samus.
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Why would all of Nintendo increase but not Zelda of Ganondorf? It doesn't make any sense.

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Frog also got 48% on solid snake. It's not like liquid snake automatically makes him look like absolute fodder.
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You can make the stats say anything. ANYTHING. All the way up to Gordon Freeman over Link.

You just have to use your head.
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Why would all of Nintendo increase but not Zelda of Ganondorf? It doesn't make any sense.

We already saw gannon's increase in the spring contest. He just validated it by beating auron with nearly 55%. Auron was underrated a bit in the xstats in all likelyhood.
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Ganondorf definitely increased. He was supposed to struggle against Auron. And by that I mean childbirth-like struggling.
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And, Frog had a sprite pic, and Snake had Solid ****, and then next year, he bombs, Liquid bombs, and now, MC is bombing, it's obvious that was a fluke.
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So basically, we're back to square-one then, similar to the 2002 contest. Can only make educated guesses but who knows really how the current contest will end up overall.

Makes the 2004 contest seem like a completely different affair now, eh? Almost everything there was predicted accurately by the X-stats...
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And MC dropping a whole 6% after halo two makes any more sense? Frog was overrated in the stats but not by that much. The fact that snake got 55% on zelda with that terrible, terrible pic validates that a bad picture doesn't hurt him as much as you might think.
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Well, what wasn't SFF, anyway.

And by following the X-Sts I got high on the leaderboard near the end of the 2003 contest. This is the first contest where they falter big time. Hopefully it'll be better next year, as we figure out the kinks and flaws of where we thought the characters stood.
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That pic didn't hurt him that much, but I also think Snake increased.

Regardless, the only true answer awaits at the end of the contest...maybe.
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Heh heh...

Snake > Zelda > Vivi > DK > MC = Frog
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Hmm...MC did take 8 votes off of the lead that last update. Could be a sign of things to come...
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Oh, and...before this contest, some people (myself included) though MC vs. Magus could be a good match. How 'bout now?
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heh, for different reasons than thought, maybe.. but Magus > Frog = MC seems pretty obvious, unless MC has increased more than we know.
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I respect Knuckles more than DK. Match goes to Magus, as overrated as he may be.
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Hm, another upset...I'm glad it involved MC losing, heh. Not a lot to say...but the X-stats sure failed this one, even taking into account matches -this- year.

You could say that DK through Sam Fisher would surely predict DK to lose, as it puts DK 2-3% below MC of 2K3. Likewise, MC through Sp2K5 CATS predicted an MC win even over DK 2K3.

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MC dropping? Liquid Snake predicting this match? What you are smoking? This match predicted through Liquid gives Donkey Kong almost 60% in the win. If he does fall during the day in percentage, which is pretty likely, that's not a close prediction at all.

The 2K3 stats which grant a 51.5 MC victory will probably end up just as accurate as that.
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by the way since the xsts can literaly do anything. how would they make tanner>link?
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This Gauntlet has been somewhat dissapointing....
The hype didn't live up to the excitement from TV v Kefka or Knux v magus


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And here we have a case of people condemning the XP stats because apparently they're not a perfect science to predicting % accurately. You guys aren't THAT stupid are you? You don't honestly think that they're really INTENDED to predict that close?

Honestly, getting it within 4-5% is damn good enough for what they do.
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