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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 220
From: Mister Mario
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:13:50 AM | Message Detail
Like how he beat Tidus, huh.
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From: Heroic Dr Wily
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:15:08 AM | Message Detail
Keep it up Kong!
From: Safer Sephiroth 777
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:19:25 AM | Message Detail
Another lost match for me.Oh well I should have figured it out that Nintendo characters are so popular.Ah well whatever.
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From: UltimaterializerX
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:26:02 AM | Message Detail
I dunno, Smurf. Shadow lost to Tidus, who got creamed by Kirby. Shadow
needs to get a rather large jump to be able to take down Auron, who has
finally proven that he's leagues above Tidus in these contests. Auron
getting close to Ganon is no joke.
*waits for someone to counter this post with the standard "The Spring results are no good" stuff*
*points to Bowser/Ryu*
And yes, I'm aware of what Tidus did against Ganon in 2003. He was also the heavy bracket favorite back then, plus there's the fact that the 2003 data is looking older by the day. If those two had another match, Tidus would be lucky to break 40%.
~*ST*~
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*waits for someone to counter this post with the standard "The Spring results are no good" stuff*
*points to Bowser/Ryu*
And yes, I'm aware of what Tidus did against Ganon in 2003. He was also the heavy bracket favorite back then, plus there's the fact that the 2003 data is looking older by the day. If those two had another match, Tidus would be lucky to break 40%.
~*ST*~
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From: dragoontheguy
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:26:25 AM | Message Detail
DK has built a good lead, but it's by no means safe yet. This is going
to make for one hell of a match later on. It might even rival Vercetti
vs. DK, but probably not.
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From: UltimaterializerX
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:29:58 AM | Message Detail
I think DK needs to get his lead over 3000 or more before calling it
safe. Master Chief is an absolute monster with the day vote.
~*ST*~
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From: Mister Mario
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:32:09 AM | Message Detail
He was a monster against Frog only, who is awful with the day vote
against everyone. In other matches, Master Chief is merely great with
the day vote.
<_<
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<_<
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From: Link2dapast
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:33:22 AM | Message Detail
You mean the cheat vote.
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From: Gooper Blooper
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:37:09 AM | Message Detail
I'm happy no matter who wins. This is just a "Let's see who gets slaughtered by Crono next round" match.
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From: Link2dapast
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:38:04 AM | Message Detail
Was Crono's performance dismal vs Zidane? You'd think he would absolutely crush him no?
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From: Mister Mario
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:40:42 AM | Message Detail
Master Chief 45.63% 5270
Donkey Kong 54.37% 6279
TOTAL VOTES 11549
1009 lead.
Let's go D.K, let's go.
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Donkey Kong 54.37% 6279
TOTAL VOTES 11549
1009 lead.
Let's go D.K, let's go.
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From: transience
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:43:24 AM | Message Detail
and there's a thousand. I am now concerned.
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From: Dranze
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:52:13 AM | Message Detail
Muahaha, take that DK doubters! Come on DK, bring it home!
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From: voltch
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:53:51 AM | Message Detail
i don't care about my bracket no more it's like -9 already so go Donkey Kong
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From: Gooper Blooper
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:57:25 AM | Message Detail
Was Crono's performance dismal vs Zidane? You'd think he would absolutely crush him no?
Zidane is new. I'm just assuming, here.
But then again, assuming has made an ass out of everyone who was assuming about Tidus, Ryu, KOS-MOS, Zelda, Ocelot, Magus...
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Zidane is new. I'm just assuming, here.
But then again, assuming has made an ass out of everyone who was assuming about Tidus, Ryu, KOS-MOS, Zelda, Ocelot, Magus...
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From: voltch
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:58:35 AM | Message Detail
magus vs zelda who wins.
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From: Dranze
| Posted: 8/28/2005 3:59:20 AM | Message Detail
Zelda, easily.
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From: voltch
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:00:52 AM | Message Detail
by the way wouldn't it be just awesome if the final somehow ended up being knuckles vs snake.
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From: Mister Mario
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:02:46 AM | Message Detail
Although it's not a new thought, the idea makes me smile every time I
hear it. Everyone would look like total chumps if Snake beat Knuckles
down 60-40. It would be glorious.
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From: voltch
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:05:24 AM | Message Detail
by the way since knuckles has only lost to a noble nine character so
far is it possible for him to actually be a potential top 14 character?
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From: Mister Mario
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:08:54 AM | Message Detail
Nah. He lost to Snake by too much too many times for him to be up that high.
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From: Kaxon
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:09:05 AM | Message Detail
On another note, is it kind of sad in a way that nothing of the
current generation of gaming can touch anything of previous
generations? FF7 seems to be about the most recent thing that can touch
the most popular of characters and that was released about 8 years ago!
It's like this entire generation of characters has been a complete
wash; only having the ability to create modest mid-carders instead of
any true, new elite characters or games out there.
Part of the reason that's the case is that most of the top tier characters built up their popularity over many games. Link, Mario, Mega Man, Samus, and Snake have all been around since the 80's, but they all draw popularity from more recent games as well. It's not like the current generation isn't having an effect there.
FF VII was pretty unusual in creating super popular characters in only one game. So I wouldn't write off this generation yet... guys like Dante, Master Chief, and Sora could be pretty respectable in a few more years with a few more sequels (or they might not).
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Part of the reason that's the case is that most of the top tier characters built up their popularity over many games. Link, Mario, Mega Man, Samus, and Snake have all been around since the 80's, but they all draw popularity from more recent games as well. It's not like the current generation isn't having an effect there.
FF VII was pretty unusual in creating super popular characters in only one game. So I wouldn't write off this generation yet... guys like Dante, Master Chief, and Sora could be pretty respectable in a few more years with a few more sequels (or they might not).
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From: chaos knight
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:10:36 AM | Message Detail
GTA and Halo have sold numerous copies but will they be remembered
fondly 5-10 years from now, like how Nintendo characters and even FF7
characters have fared? Or will they just be fodder when the time comes?
Seems whatever the current fad is for this generation will only last so
long as the next 'improvement' is not around the corner. Otherwise,
characters like Vercetti or Tidus will be forgotten once the new
installment arrives.
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[Player] A bunch of JP just trained me!
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From: chaos knight
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:12:27 AM | Message Detail
On a side note, I'm also drunk at the moment so take what I say with a
slight grain of salt. Could be overexaggerating now, especially when I
wake up. >_>
Still though, maybe when DMC8 comes around and Dante is Noble Nine will it seem that this generation is more than just a footnote in video gaming history.
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[Player] A bunch of JP just trained me!
[GM] Well you're still here, so they obviously didn't do it right. LBSJ
Still though, maybe when DMC8 comes around and Dante is Noble Nine will it seem that this generation is more than just a footnote in video gaming history.
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From: Mister Mario
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:13:20 AM | Message Detail
I don't think Grand Theft Auto will be remembered for it's characters,
but I doubt it was ever intended that it be remembered for those
characters. Grand Theft Auto will be remembered for it's innovative
game design, and the controversy surrounding the series. Not every
character is a Mario, but not every game is a Grand Theft Auto, if you
get my meaning.
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From: dragoontheguy
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:14:27 AM | Message Detail
GTA is one of those things that just seems to fade quickly with time. I
can almost guarentee you that if claude (gta3 hero) was in the contest
this year he would bomb horribly.
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From: voltch
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:17:06 AM | Message Detail
actually i can still see vercetti being popular 5-6 years from now. his
name sounds cool and his character his memorable. maybe because of the
voice actor. i mean henry hill is popular
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From: chaos knight
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:19:21 AM | Message Detail
Vercetti is currently barely above Kefka now. Unless he's included in
future GTA games, I can't really see him attaining even upper mid-card
levels later on.
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From: Slowflake
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:26:05 AM | Message Detail
...another upset? Geez. I know MC's very
strong with the day vote, but what saved DK's ass against Aya and gave
him a fighting chance against Vercetti? A strong day vote.
This match is over.
Ponder this for a sec. One year, Master Chief loses to Frog by 7 votes, and the same Frog moves on to break 48% on Solid Snake. Halo 2 comes out, and the next he loses to DONKEY KONG.
I don't care what people say about the X-Box being weak, Halo 2 actually sold a lot of X-Boxes for GameFAQers. So even if 2004 was a fluke, he should have at least taken off from what he did in 2003, right?
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This match is over.
Ponder this for a sec. One year, Master Chief loses to Frog by 7 votes, and the same Frog moves on to break 48% on Solid Snake. Halo 2 comes out, and the next he loses to DONKEY KONG.
I don't care what people say about the X-Box being weak, Halo 2 actually sold a lot of X-Boxes for GameFAQers. So even if 2004 was a fluke, he should have at least taken off from what he did in 2003, right?
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From: Dranze
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:27:00 AM | Message Detail
I knew this would happen seeing how weak Frog and LS were..
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From: transience
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:28:34 AM | Message Detail
I always figured that the people who bought Halo 2 were the same people
that bought Halo 1, so a boost would be a small one. that was my main
point pre-contest when I said that DK vs. MC would be closer than
anyone expected.
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From: Mister Mario
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:29:15 AM | Message Detail
Woah. That was a huge jump. DK went from .59 to .76 in one update. He may just come through ^_^
Go DK!
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Go DK!
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From: Slowflake
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:29:38 AM | Message Detail
They can't be that weak. They just can't be weak enough to be unable to put a fight against DONKEY KONG.
So in a nutshell, Snake underperformed by well over ten points on Frog. WTF?
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So in a nutshell, Snake underperformed by well over ten points on Frog. WTF?
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From: Slowflake
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:30:06 AM | Message Detail
From: transience | Posted: 8/28/2005 7:28:34 AM | #281
I always figured that the people who bought Halo 2 were the same people that bought Halo 1, so a boost would be a small one. that was my main point pre-contest when I said that DK vs. MC would be closer than anyone expected.
But Halo 2 only took two months to outsell the original. TWO MONTHS.
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani
I always figured that the people who bought Halo 2 were the same people that bought Halo 1, so a boost would be a small one. that was my main point pre-contest when I said that DK vs. MC would be closer than anyone expected.
But Halo 2 only took two months to outsell the original. TWO MONTHS.
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From: ps2rulezzz
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:32:48 AM | Message Detail
This proves the stats are totally useless. From now on I'm just going
with my feeling, which should say for most of you also, that DK is a
much more popular character who has been in a lot more games. And
shooter characters are not liked that much on this site. Because
shooters usually don't go to far into the character.
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From: FastFalcon05
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:33:14 AM | Message Detail
He was a monster against Frog only, who is awful with the day vote
against everyone. In other matches, Master Chief is merely great with
the day vote.
Dk also slid for a great portion of the day against Sam Fisher. Aya was a long time ago, and Master Chief has been amazing all the time with the day vote.
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Dk also slid for a great portion of the day against Sam Fisher. Aya was a long time ago, and Master Chief has been amazing all the time with the day vote.
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From: Dranze
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:33:37 AM | Message Detail
Snake underperformed by well over ten points on Frog. WTF?
I guess Solid **** is a bigger factor than we thought, if Frog, the weakling who'd be beaten by Donkey Kong could do that, and factoring in that Snake obviously increased, I say Sora could put up at least a hell of a match if the next round has that ****.
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I guess Solid **** is a bigger factor than we thought, if Frog, the weakling who'd be beaten by Donkey Kong could do that, and factoring in that Snake obviously increased, I say Sora could put up at least a hell of a match if the next round has that ****.
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From: Slowflake
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:33:54 AM | Message Detail
Because shooters usually don't go to far into the character.
Because Link, Samus, Crono and Mario are such fleshed out, deep characters.
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Because Link, Samus, Crono and Mario are such fleshed out, deep characters.
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From: Dranze
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:34:26 AM | Message Detail
This proves the stats are totally useless.
No, it doesn't. MC being over-rated due to Frog proves that the stats can still be reliable if you use your head.
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No, it doesn't. MC being over-rated due to Frog proves that the stats can still be reliable if you use your head.
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From: Heroic Knuckles
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:35:26 AM | Message Detail
It's all about the audience.
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From: Slowflake
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:35:45 AM | Message Detail
That's if you could correctly guess Frog was overrated, and especially by how much.
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From: voltch
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:35:57 AM | Message Detail
by the way ain't it amusing to find that tanner's vote totals are incredible compare to this
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1
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From: Dranze
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:37:36 AM | Message Detail
Well, seeing Liquid Snake bomb against Sephiroth is a good clue to me.
And to think people thought he'd give Bowser a good match. It makes me
wonder who would of tooken the upset if Bowser and Sephiroth switched
places in the bracket, or Wily/Liquid Snake.
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From: ps2rulezzz
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:39:21 AM | Message Detail
This match is still a sunday match, which means a lot of the board
people could stay up longer in the night to vote already. This makes
the night vote for DK stronger as he is obviously the favourite at
night. So a comeback is still very possible.
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From: Dranze
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:40:46 AM | Message Detail
I suppose it's possible, MC threw out 3000 votes on Frog, but that's Frog who sucks at the day vote.
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From: Blade Of Evils Bane
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:41:32 AM | Message Detail
"Ponder this for a sec. One year, Master Chief loses to Frog by 7 votes, and the same Frog moves on to break 48% on Solid Snake."
Any match as close as MC/Frog is going to have cheating involved, and Solid Snake might of just been weak that year. If Solid Snake and Frog had another match, I highly doubt Frog would get 48% again.
"Halo 2 comes out, and the next he loses to DONKEY KONG."
Nintendo is stronger this year for some strange reason. This is happening too many times to just be a coincidence where the other character is always at fault. Also Halo and the Xbox where never popular on this site (obviously) and Halo 2 hasn't seem to do much for MC here at all.
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Any match as close as MC/Frog is going to have cheating involved, and Solid Snake might of just been weak that year. If Solid Snake and Frog had another match, I highly doubt Frog would get 48% again.
"Halo 2 comes out, and the next he loses to DONKEY KONG."
Nintendo is stronger this year for some strange reason. This is happening too many times to just be a coincidence where the other character is always at fault. Also Halo and the Xbox where never popular on this site (obviously) and Halo 2 hasn't seem to do much for MC here at all.
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From: Slowflake
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:41:48 AM | Message Detail
But he's facing DK this time, not a CT character. I don't see him
coming back from that far behind. And if he attempts to, he'll do it in
true chokemeister fashion.
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From: Slowflake
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:42:26 AM | Message Detail
and Solid Snake might of just been weak that year
So where's the Knuckles win? WHEREE?!?
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So where's the Knuckles win? WHEREE?!?
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From: voltch
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:44:05 AM | Message Detail
i bet if halo 3 had come out the day before the match MC would still look pathetic. heck wouldn't AYA BREA do better
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From: dragoontheguy
| Posted: 8/28/2005 4:44:42 AM | Message Detail
I always figured that the people who bought Halo 2 were the same people that bought Halo 1
But halo 2 outsold halo 1 by a hell of a lot of copies.
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But halo 2 outsold halo 1 by a hell of a lot of copies.
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