don't tell me you've never heard rubber/glue.

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This is pathetic.
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First you make a circle, then you dot the eyes, add a great big smile and presto, it's Kirby!

what is?
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current goty:Advance wars duel strike
possible goty contenders: castlevania dos, we love katamari, mario kart ds

It's pathetic that Kirby isn't beating down Tidus by more. He should be at 60% by now.

well after today we have another reeson to hate tidus. in two years he's lost me 6 points. i was underage for the first two contest so i couldn't make myself an account and participate
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Auron OVERPERFORMED on Ganondorf? What planet are you living on?

Check the X-stats, Auron 2k4 is only 29.37% (Auron's highest number) on BL, while Ganon 2k3 is 34.72% (Ganon's lowest number) on BL.

Based on that Auron should only get 42.3% on Ganon, even less if you use other value for any of them.

If that's not overperformance, then what is?

And I really don't think Auron got SFF'ed to any significant degree by Seph, since Vivi showed no signs of that.

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I think we can finally say that 20XXDF doesn't exist. Kirby 2004 would be projected to get 57.13% on Unadjusted Tidus. Throw a little Kirby Canvas Curse boost in and you're set.
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Summer Contest Score: 41/44
Today's Pick: Tidus

in fact FFX characters in general have cost me a grand total of 9 points
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Well, the juvenile humor is, even though it seems to be more in fun than not.

Then again, Kirby not winning by more is sorta pathetic too, since Tidus sucks and all.

And as far as Tidus costing points, I've not yet lost a single point to him. He wins when I say he should, he loses when I say he should... he's my *****!
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First you make a circle, then you dot the eyes, add a great big smile and presto, it's Kirby!

So you would rather measure Auron directly through Sephiroth or Cloud, in which SFF is probable, and not through Scorpion or Tails? Both of which would have no reasonable SFF and both increase him a significant yet somewhat consistent amount of 4-5%?
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"No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do." - Tom Cruise

If 20XX does not exist, then Squall breaks 60% on Knuckles when the time comes.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Not entirely.

Mega, Knux and Snake show signs of 20XXDF.

Tidus, Zero, Vercetti, and Frog's 4 pack show signs of no 20XXDF.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Kirby vs, Tidus - Bracket: Tidus - Vote: Kirby (40/44)

Kirby 2k4 isn't a solid number either, since it's based on Squall remaining constant from 2k3.

Not only is that debatable, but Squall was behind Link/Samus SFF in 2k3, throwing that number further into doubt.

So Kirby 2k3 is the only solid number we have on Kirby, and unfortunately it's two years old.

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Come to think of it, I don't think FFX has ever cost me a point (be it Game or Cast) and the only chance it did was Knux over Yuna.
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First you make a circle, then you dot the eyes, add a great big smile and presto, it's Kirby!

I'm upset because I was vehement about Kirby beating Tidus and then I changed it.
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MasterMage119

you and me both.

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That's a shame. In a match like this you should stick to your guns. Statistically it was rather close, so if something intuitive told you to go one way or the other why go agaisnt it?
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First you make a circle, then you dot the eyes, add a great big smile and presto, it's Kirby!

Because I couldn't shake the feeling that Tidus just looked too weak compared to his 2K3 numbers. Of course, that's pretty stupid looking back on it, since when I analyzed the contest before it started, I mentioned about ten times that I thought Magus and Tidus were overrated, and Ganondorf would have been if not for Zelda: Collector's Edition.
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"All pretty girls are a trap, a pretty trap, and men expect them to be."
MasterMage119

Mega, Knux and Snake show signs of 20XXDF.

Actually, Magus based on Sam Fisher would lose to Knuckles with 45.71%. On unadjusted Knux, he wins with less than 50%, which can easily be made up with random variation.

Based on Luca Blight, he'd still beat adjusted Knuckles with 53.25%.

And based on Tidus, he would win with 52% or so.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

So you would rather measure Auron directly through Sephiroth or Cloud, in which SFF is probable, and not through Scorpion or Tails? Both of which would have no reasonable SFF and both increase him a significant yet somewhat consistent amount of 4-5%?

SFF is highly likely in Cloud vs. Auron, but Seph vs. Vivi proved that very little, if any, SFF exist in that match.

If Seph can't SFF Vivi, I doubt he can SFF Auron.

Scorp and Tails are no powerhouses, adjusting through them is risky.

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so tomorrow should continue nintendo's knack of beating up everything that's not snake heh?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

If Seph can't SFF Vivi, I doubt he can SFF Auron.

Yeah, Link didn't SFF Mario. I doubt he could SFF Yoshi.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

From: creativename | Posted: 8/26/2005 4:28:08 AM | Message Detail
One thing that deserves mention is that I think that Aprosenf has basically been THE star analyst of this contest so far. His all-time stat work foreshadowed a lot of this stuff; stuff no one took seriously at the time. Kudos to him.

Just picked this up while reading through the last topic. Thanks, I appreciate it. Though my stats still had Kirby coming nowhere near Tidus. I just got back from vacation, so I haven't been able to keep up with the stats topic very regularly (and I also forgot to take me stats with me, they were sitting on this machine).
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so tomorrow should continue nintendo's knack of beating up everything that's not snake heh?

Should be, Bowser was ahead of Ryu in 2k3, the year where casual voters are strong.

And this year looks more like 2k3 as opposed to 2k4 in terms of casual power.

And while Rikku is a totally new char, Ryu made a total fool out of himself in that match.

Unless Rikku was having a miracle run like Magus cs. did, things aren't looking good for him.

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Yeah, Link didn't SFF Mario. I doubt he could SFF Yoshi.

He did, otherwise Cloud's jump in 2k3 became unholy.

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Yeah, Link didn't SFF Mario. I doubt he could SFF Yoshi.

Nevermind that Link probably did SFF Mario.
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MasterMage119

He did, otherwise Cloud's jump in 2k3 became unholy.

It was a little smaller than Squall's otherwise, which isn't THAT hard to believe.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

how did link SFF mario if mario's the mascot anyhow? that makes no sense for a mascot to be usurped by the second most famous nintendo character(to the outside world of course)
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

Regardless, the point is that SFF isn't always applicable in every case. Just because Sephiroth seemingly didn't SFF Vivi doesn't mean he didn't SFF Auron.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

How is that even hard to believe? FFIX is a different beast than the other PSX era games.
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"No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do." - Tom Cruise

man i really want to replace FFX characters with FFXII people. i'm getting fed up of losing points to them. and there always up against either a sonic character or ganondorf. it's no fun at all
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft

And this match brings up one very important question...

How in the world did Tidus get 41% on Sonic? Heck, Kirby is less than a percent away from matching what the Blue Blur did in 2002.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

It was a little smaller than Squall's otherwise, which isn't THAT hard to believe.

Even in 2k2, Cloud is already near the top, it's much harder to increase when you're already near the top.

Link didn't increase by a whopping 3% mind you, part of it is Cloud decreasing.

Regardless, the point is that SFF isn't always applicable in every case. Just because Sephiroth seemingly didn't SFF Vivi doesn't mean he didn't SFF Auron.

Auron is stronger than Vivi, so it'll be even harder for Seph to SFF him as opposed to SFF'ing Vivi.

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Everyone did drugs in 2002.
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"No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do." - Tom Cruise

I think when the results are as consistent as they are when Auron is measured through his other opponents, that you'd be crazy to take an SFF laden match over it. It's not as if Tails or Scorpion are fodder. They almost qualify as midcarders.
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"No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do." - Tom Cruise

and 2005 apparently, if a pink blob can beat the FF10 lead.

I think sidharta just likes to argue. Auron overperforming makes utterly no sense. what did you expect, 60%?
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Tidus/Sonic was closer to FFX's release then any of Tidus' matches.

He's lost strength since then, probably due to KH taking FFX's place as the top PS2 Square RPG.

How in the world did Tidus get 41% on Sonic?

Because 2002 =/= 2005. Tidus must have been...stronger then. Then people started to hate him.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Kirby vs, Tidus - Bracket: Tidus - Vote: Kirby (40/44)

Er.......any of his crazy matches in 2k3/2k4/2k5 is what I meant.

And this match brings up one very important question...

How in the world did Tidus get 41% on Sonic? Heck, Kirby is less than a percent away from matching what the Blue Blur did in 2002.

Well, how in the world did Mario beat Cloud?

Ok, serious answer, Tidus was fresh from the oven in 2k2, he probably deflate in the years after due to him aging in a very bad way.

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Not just any pink blob, mind you. He's my favorite Nintendo character (barely). I would vote him over nearly anybody (and he's now faced the two I wouldn't vote for him against).
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

I agree that Tidus probably wouldn't age as well as some characters, but the rest of the FFX cast doesn't seem to be showing these same signs of age.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Because people actually like the rest of the FFX cast.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Kirby vs, Tidus - Bracket: Tidus - Vote: Kirby (40/44)

there are other pink blobs?

I suppose a Pokemon character or something.
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The fact that the very same performance ranks Claire in the top 30 in the all time stats ahead really makes it look even more questionable though. Claire really shouldn't be that impressive, especially with Leon's somewhat of a choke job against Gordon.
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"No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do." - Tom Cruise

I picked Tidus to win, but it soon because obvious that Kirby was going to own him. Go Kirby! <(^_^)>

We need to get Fox back into the contest. I wish he could have gotten in this year, since Star Fox: Assault came out this year, but alas, he did not. Fox for 2k6!
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I think when the results are as consistent as they are when Auron is measured through his other opponents, that you'd be crazy to take an SFF laden match over it. It's not as if Tails or Scorpion are fodder. They almost qualify as midcarders.

Look at Magus, look at his un-adjusted value in 2k4, and tell me there's any noticeable SFF between him and Crono.

Of course SFF might exist between Auron and Seph, but I really don't think it's anything more than 0.5%.

I think sidharta just likes to argue. Auron overperforming makes utterly no sense. what did you expect, 60%?

Between 56% to 57% for Ganon, based on the X-stats.

60% if Sp2k5 Ganon is legit.

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Might exist? Of course it does. CONSISTENCY WHEN MEASURED THROUGH OTHERS. That's strong evidence that doesn't disappear when you ignore it.
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"No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do." - Tom Cruise

you know, as much as I dislike this result, this is good for statistical purposes. this makes it clear that MM/Tidus was legit, and also that RPG leads don't have to be the strongest character in their game.

..still, though, a 7-10% drop, depending on what you think of MM/Link? that's huge. maybe Ganon just has trouble with RPG characters.
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Yeah okay a question for the experts.Does Samus stand a chance against Mario?I know that Samus is the board's favorite to win,but still.
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