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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 218
From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/26/2005 6:59:55 AM | Message Detail
Final Fantasy 10 - Canadian Edition

Tidus: Auron! What are you doing here buddy?
Auron: Tidus... hey relax guy! I've been waiting for you buddy!
Tidus: What are you talking aboot?
Auron: Hey Tidus, I just farted.
Tidus: What? Just now?
Auron: Yes, while Sin was attacking!
Both: *laugh*

*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/1

Summer 2003 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/2

Spring 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/3

Summer 2004 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/4

Summer 2005 Contest Information:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/5

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/13

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/14

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/15

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/16

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/17

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/18

Spring 2005 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/27

All Time Extrapolated Standings:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/alltimexsts.htm



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

All the match pics, save for three from 2002:
http://www.sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php



*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

MMXcalibur's Contest Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

A List of Acronyms, A Lesson on Percentages, and Some Odd Matches:
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm

Poll Vote Total Updater:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/25

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251

!00901 oT
From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 8/26/2005 7:01:26 AM | Message Detail
OMGWTFBBG SO EARLY!?!

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 41/46 (Kefka, Magus, Ocelot, Tidus)
From: MetaRidleyX | Posted: 8/26/2005 7:02:23 AM | Message Detail
I'm trying to remember if there was by lengendary Frog or by the SUper Flash Brothers.

FIRST POST
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From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 8/26/2005 7:11:00 AM | Message Detail
Squall >>>>> Tidus.

Fact.
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From: Applekidjosh | Posted: 8/26/2005 7:13:40 AM | Message Detail
That sounds good. I'll have to watch it.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/26/2005 8:27:23 AM | Message Detail
Hiiii!
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: CyberMachine08 | Posted: 8/26/2005 8:28:02 AM | Message Detail
Ryu > Bowser

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From: metoolfan | Posted: 8/26/2005 8:29:10 AM | Message Detail
Inequalites are mixed up, Ray.
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From: metoolfan | Posted: 8/26/2005 9:20:49 AM | Message Detail
Sonic vs. Snake. who wins?
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From: voltch | Posted: 8/26/2005 9:22:50 AM | Message Detail
zero/ganondorf who wins?
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Kilroy:There fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft
From: XxSoulxX | Posted: 8/26/2005 9:23:54 AM | Message Detail
Sonic and Zero.
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"ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'." - Topaz Kitsune
*Waiting for Guru winner's sig*
From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 8/26/2005 11:53:49 AM | Message Detail
Reflex'd

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2nd Place, Spring Contest 2005
World Champion: Gyruss, Link's Awakening, Mega Man X, Solstice, Super Mario World, Zombies Ate My Neighbors
From: sidharta | Posted: 8/26/2005 11:54:07 AM | Message Detail
About Nintendo dominating this contest, lets take a careful look shall we.

There are only 5 matches involving a Square char and a Nintendo char in which we know the apporximate strength of both contestants.

First, Ganon vs. Yuna, Yuna overperforms by leaps and bounds here, especially if you believe Sp2k5 Ganon.
She lost the match, but I'll give the statistical advantage to Square, 0-1.

Second, Zelda vs. Vivi, Vivi bombs here, statistical advantage to Nintendo, 1-1.

Third, Samus vs. Frog, Frog bombs as expected, statistical advantage to Nintendo, 2-1.

Fourth, Ganon vs. Auron, no matter which X-stats you use for either char, Auron overperforms, statistical advantage to Square, 2-2.

Last, Kirby vs. Tidus, Tidus bombs here, statistical advantage to Nintendo, 3-2.

So, thus far, Nintendo lead Square 3-2 in terms of statistical advantage, I wouldn't call that total domination.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.
From: Weird Kirby Dude11 | Posted: 8/26/2005 11:55:42 AM | Message Detail
I didn't even remember who Ganondorf was against in Round 1...
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Weird Kirby Dude ~Board Hunter~
Every fanboy war degenerates to a flame war over whether each debater likes the Halo series or not. - Android21A
From: XxSoulxX | Posted: 8/26/2005 11:55:49 AM | Message Detail
Like I was about to post in the other topic...

A few weeks back, I was trying to decide where Fox would land in 2004. I used his 30% against Cloud, and found out he would get somewhere around 25% on Link in 2005 (not including SFF). Of course, it was just a rough estimate, and doesn't include low vote totals in 2002 or a boost from Fox.

I'm think he could place near Luigi or Vercetti.
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"ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'." - Topaz Kitsune
*Waiting for Guru winner's sig*
From: Razor_Star | Posted: 8/26/2005 11:57:42 AM | Message Detail
http://www.freewebs.com/strongbad7343/ertyusong.htm

Link>Cloud>Sonic>Aeris>Sora>Alucard>Kirby>Tidus
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From: Janus5000 | Posted: 8/26/2005 11:58:14 AM | Message Detail
30%'s a slight exaggeration. He only got 25% against Cloud.
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The King of all Cosmos' route to summer victory:
Round 1: (0) Voters
From: sidharta | Posted: 8/26/2005 12:02:31 PM | Message Detail
30%'s a slight exaggeration. He only got 25% against Cloud.

Actually, that was a huge exaggeration, it's Alucard who got 30% against Cloud 2k2.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.
From: XxSoulxX | Posted: 8/26/2005 12:03:05 PM | Message Detail
Err, yeah, that's what I meant. >_>
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"ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'." - Topaz Kitsune
*Waiting for Guru winner's sig*
From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/26/2005 12:03:51 PM | Message Detail
Auron OVERPERFORMED on Ganondorf? What planet are you living on?
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"You can't have gone over a kilometer up. 1500 meters, tops." -Samus Aran
"I'll express my love to you slowly, later." -Setzer Gabbiani
From: XxSoulxX | Posted: 8/26/2005 12:09:26 PM | Message Detail
Oh, here's what I did.

I was trying to figure out a good spot for Fox on the stats, but working with 2002 x-stats = pretty hard to do.

I made Cloud equal to Sephiroth (even though we all know he would have been higher then Sephy), and got Fox up to 25% on 2002 Link. Since 2002 Link = 2003 Link (apparently), he would get 25% against him again. Therefore, he got 7.5% SFF from Link, which doesn't seem too bad.

If Fox was plugged into the 2003 X-Stats at 25.5%, he would be right under Vercetti, and stronger then DK and Luigi.
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"ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'." - Topaz Kitsune
*Waiting for Guru winner's sig*
From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 8/26/2005 12:09:27 PM | Message Detail
Planet Forgottoadjustauronforsff
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From: Heroic Knuckles | Posted: 8/26/2005 12:13:15 PM | Message Detail
I'll be sure to nominate Fox next year.

Oh and... <3 Kirby. Another step closer to victory...
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Kirby 3:16
32nd/125 in the Guru Standings.
From: Gooper Blooper | Posted: 8/26/2005 12:23:45 PM | Message Detail
Kirby > ertyu

But then, we all knew that. By the way, where IS he?
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Chun-Li > Bowser book it - lol_internet
Vote for Kirby in SC2K5!
From: shadow8021 | Posted: 8/26/2005 12:34:31 PM | Message Detail
Lower Gear Division:

Sora: 50.00%
Alucard: 44.64%
Kratos: 39.71%
Agent 47: 29.27%
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Summer Contest Score: 41/44
Today's Pick: Tidus
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:19:58 PM | Message Detail
From the last topic (I just had to address this one):

he may beat Kirby, but I know that I wouldn't expect the match to be 55-45 Squall, either. personally, I'd take Kirby in a close one

There is really no reason at all to believe Kirby could beat Squall now. None whatsoever. I don't know where people are getting this idea that Squall is so easily beaten.

Once again, this match pretty much lines up with 2004 Kirby vs. unadjusted 2004 Tidus. Kirby's overperforming a small bit, which you could chalk up to new releases.

Oh, and it's official: Ramza > Tidus now.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:21:42 PM | Message Detail
DAYUM! Almost at 58%! Kirby is exposing Tidus for the weak bastard he is. I hope this is a Kirby increase, because Kirby > Bowser/Ryu would kick ass.

Hell, Kirby to the Final 4!

Oh, and 35.13% had Sora > Alucard...ouch. Alot had Kratos/Alu winning that 4-pack. Today is the boards turn to get owned.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Kirby vs, Tidus - Bracket: Tidus - Vote: Kirby (40/44)
From: transience | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:24:15 PM | Message Detail
I don't think Squall is easily beaten.. I just think that this match is all Kirby. I can't imagine another 55-45 match based on these results.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:25:16 PM | Message Detail
It's fine to think that Kirby increased, but not to the point of beating Squall. That's just madness.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: Zu Long | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:30:49 PM | Message Detail
Does this mean that Ramza Beoulve = Tidus in terms of popularity, since in 2003 Kirby defeated him by almost exactly the same percentage? Maybe I should create a Ramza Beoulve Army next year.

Also I find it interesting that the 2004 SFF Adjusted X-Stats predict Kirby over Tidus, though not to this degree.
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[Placeholder for sig bet with JusticeGuy begun 1/8/05]
From: transience | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:31:03 PM | Message Detail
why is it madness? there's no good data on 2k4 Squall, Tidus or Kirby. the only thing we've got is that 55-45 match from last year between the two, and Kirby's obviously increased.
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From: Starion | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:31:20 PM | Message Detail
What would it take to make Kirby > Squall? A beating of Bowser/Ryu?
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:31:40 PM | Message Detail
How is it "obvious" when we've got data that predicts this result?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:33:14 PM | Message Detail
This is depressing. . .

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To the man whose spirit was so free it was bothersome... Kurosaki Ichigo, my sword has been broken by your freedom of spirit.
From: transience | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:34:19 PM | Message Detail
I'll believe that MM/Tidus was accurate after seeing this, but not MM/Link. that's unreliable data.

as for what it would take, it depends on what you think of each character. Kirby over Ryu would put him around 2k3 Squall's level.
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From: Zu Long | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:34:24 PM | Message Detail
Well, it makes sense that Kirby increased slightly, given the popularity of his recent DS game, which got some pretty good reviews. It seems preposterously unlikely that it will be enough to take Squall though. Then again, Knux did beat Magus, so who knows?
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[Placeholder for sig bet with JusticeGuy begun 1/8/05]
From: Starion | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:35:15 PM | Message Detail
I thought you liked Kirby, HM.
From: transience | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:35:20 PM | Message Detail
oh, and I think Squall will handle Knux with ease. this isn't me thinking Squall is overrated.
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:36:37 PM | Message Detail
I'd still take Squall over Kirby, but it'd be a lot closer. Like 51-49 close.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Kirby vs, Tidus - Bracket: Tidus - Vote: Kirby (40/44)
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:37:25 PM | Message Detail
Squall would get 53% at the least, and that's just being generous of a Kirby increase.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:38:59 PM | Message Detail
I thought you liked Kirby, HM.

No, not at all. I can't find any reason to like that thing.

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To the man whose spirit was so free it was bothersome... Kurosaki Ichigo, my sword has been broken by your freedom of spirit.
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:39:34 PM | Message Detail
And I wouldn't even think twice about taking Squall over Kirby again.

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To the man whose spirit was so free it was bothersome... Kurosaki Ichigo, my sword has been broken by your freedom of spirit.
From: creativename | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:43:04 PM | Message Detail
My confidence in Squall has increased after this. Though I still think some of this is a Kirby increase, I am now more confident that Squall is indeed in the 30% on BL area, and thus should defeat Knuckles without too much cause for concern.

Squall>Knuckles is still not certain, but I think we can be more comfortable with it now.
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:45:17 PM | Message Detail
Pfft, Knuckles will win...because I said so.

Alright, maybe he won't, but he should...
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Kirby vs, Tidus - Bracket: Tidus - Vote: Kirby (40/44)
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:47:52 PM | Message Detail
...NOT!

I'm assuming that since you left that ellipse there, your sentence wasn't complete, so I finished it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: swirldude | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:51:33 PM | Message Detail
Sir Crono lacks the reproductive organs of his/her gender.
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Knuckles the Echidna's road to the Sc2k5 Title!
Round 2: (2)Squall Leonhart
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:52:26 PM | Message Detail
Sir Crono is rubber and swirldude is glue.

OH SNAP!
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: shadow8021 | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:53:02 PM | Message Detail
Kirby ripping Tidus apart like this dampens my hopes in Knux being able to take on Squall. Oh well, I've always got your back, Knuxie! ^_~
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Summer Contest Score: 41/44
Today's Pick: Tidus
From: swirldude | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:53:32 PM | Message Detail
I'm...glue?

o_O
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Knuckles the Echidna's road to the Sc2k5 Title!
Round 2: (2)Squall Leonhart
From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 8/26/2005 1:54:40 PM | Message Detail
I'm...glue?

Pasty and white?
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