As we've already said, If you're going to use Sora through alucard, then atl east use snake through zelda which has him back at his 2k3 value or even alittle above it.

As I've already said, fair enough.
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As I've already said, fair enough.

If you were actually using snakes 2k3 value you'd realise that he'd be projected to beat the highest possible value for Sora at this point with around 55%. So how exactly is he going to need SFF to do that?
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Based on Alucard's 2004 number, Sora currently stands at 32.73% on Link, almost exactly even with Ryu.

Yay!
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He would actually. Unless you're calling Samus overrated as well.

Seriously, what does Samus have to do with Snake?

Snake through a stronger Zelda would get 55% easily on Sora.

And why would there be SFF between Sora and Snake?

They have absolutely NOTHING in common!

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This is a wasted argument. Lets just shut up and wait until the match to prove us right or wrong...
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I asked the same question last night: if people think Tidus >= Sora > Alucard > Kirby, why would Kirby have a chance? Kirby is clearly stronger now than in 2k3, though.

come to think of it, is this the first non-FF7 Square character to impress?
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Well, Rikku and Yuna impressed, even though they lost...
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true, Rikku did impress. ugh, I've gone back and forth so many times on Tidus/Kirby over the last week.
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come to think of it, is this the first non-FF7 Square character to impress?

Both Yuna and Auron overperformed against Ganon no matter which X-stats you use for Ganon.

Rikku did really well against Ryu, putting her as potentially the strongest FF X representative if you think Ryu remain constant from 2k4.

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If you were actually using snakes 2k3 value you'd realise that he'd be projected to beat the highest possible value for Sora at this point with around 55%. So how exactly is he going to need SFF to do that?

Notice the chronological order between me saying Snake beating Sora with 55%+ = SFF and me saying "fair enough".

Seriously, what does Samus have to do with Snake?

Snake through a stronger Zelda would get 55% easily on Sora.

We can compare Samus' percentage on Sora with Snake's.


And why would there be SFF between Sora and Snake?

They have absolutely NOTHING in common!

Million sellers on the same console.
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Auron didn't look all that bad. AT least I think it was mroe Ganon overperforming than Auron underperforming...
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I'm hoping that Tidus can pull off a win tomorrow.

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It shouldn't be all that hard. I still think tis going to be a 55-45 match.. at closest a 53-47.
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well, I had Ganon with 59% in the Oracle over Yuna, so Yuna doing decently well against Ganon wasn't surprising to me. Rikku, though? now that was impressive.

either way, they both lost - this is the first Square character to really show someone up that's not from FF7. it's possible we could go FF7 > Sora > everyone else this year, something I wouldn't have thought possible.
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Wohoo! Sora is going to beat Alucard!....lol, thats a great pic of him too.

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Kirby vs. tidus is probably going to be the closest match in the gauntlet, and still almost never be in question. I have no idea what to think of it. It seems like a toss up, but that doesn't mean it well be very close.
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We can compare Samus' percentage on Sora with Snake's.

Samus got 65%+, and Snake will get 55%, Samus > Snake, your point?

Million sellers on the same console.

That says nothing since Snake and Sora appeal to completely different tastes.

Anyone who like them both will also vote proportionally with the rest of the population, as those chars have nothing in common.

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"Because I can defend my argument in a non-I'm a fortune teller kind of way and people tend ro respond to me because they can sense I'm serious, unlike you who's just being an *** about it. "

Whose being an ass here. This conversation isn't going to end with one side getting the other to conceede their beliefs so it's simply a waste of everyone's time. We know how everyone stands on the issue and no one has even considered admitting they are wrong. Time to move on. Really, just chill.
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every time this Snake/Sora thing almost dies, someone makes a new comment and another 50 posts ensue. it's kind of funny.
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So do you think that Alucard may lower a bit this percentage on the night? How much he'll if that's the case? My oracle pick looks horrible, now.
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Looks like Alucard can't get the job done.

The old adage of 'ANW(wic)' -- Alucard Never Wins (where it counts) -- kicks in once again.

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What is with this contest and matches that look close but really aren't all that close... We've had more anti-climantic 55-45 matches in these hyped up bouts than anything else....
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He was able to shock everyone in 2k2 and beat Kirby in 2k3.

55% looks like a good guess to me. Alucard didn't really stabilize until about 20:00 vs. Kratos, and even then only got about .2% of the vote back. 55.5% might be more accurate, but it shouldn't get much worse than that.
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Once again, I ask in an attempt to get off of this current subject with no resolution: Would anyone take Kirby over Alucard in a rematch?

Oh, and it's interesting to note that Kirby and Knuckles have nearly identical 2003 values.
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Auron didn't look all that bad. AT least I think it was mroe Ganon overperforming than Auron underperforming...

Auron did great, IMO.

Auron 2k4 is only projected to get 42%+ on Ganon 2k3/2k4, much less if you use Sp2k5 Ganon.

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I'd have to heavily consider it as I consider Kirby to be a bit strogner now, but I'd still pick Alucard.
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I wonder if Kirby would beat Magus presuming Knuckles didn't increase. lol I'd love to see the board during match.
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Samus got 65%+, and Snake will get 55%, Samus > Snake, your point?

When the X-stats are finished, we can see what Snake 2k5 would get on 2k5 Samus and then come to the conclusion he magically overperormed on Sora.



That says nothing since Snake and Sora appeal to completely different tastes.

So do Aerith and Sora. KH = action/RPG, FFVII = RPG, MGS= stealth/action. FF appeals to me, KH doesn't.

FFVII differs from KH as much as MGS does from KH. FFVII appeals to me, KH doesn't. That didn't keep Aerith from SFFing Sora to hell and back. Unless you think KH-players would vote Aerith over Sora without having played FFVII.

Aerith - Sora = Square SFF, Snake - Sora = Sony SFF.


Anyone who like them both will also vote proportionally with the rest of the population, as those chars have nothing in common.

What? So people who like them both will vote the same as people who only like 1 of them?
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Well, beating Kirby isn't exactly an accomplishment. Even Tidus can beat him.

This just shows a lot about Alucard's board backing. He's sputtered off as the match continued.

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I'd take Kirby over Alucard in a rematch, now that Canvas Curse is out.
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Auron 2k4 is only projected to get 42%+ on Ganon 2k3/2k4, much less if you use Sp2k5 Ganon.

What Auron are you using? He's stronger than Alucard, even unadjusted.
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I wonder if Kirby would beat Magus presuming Knuckles didn't increase. lol I'd love to see the board during match.

That would be the single greatest match ever, bar none.
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Whose being an ass here. This conversation isn't going to end with one side getting the other to conceede their beliefs so it's simply a waste of everyone's time. We know how everyone stands on the issue and no one has even considered admitting they are wrong. Time to move on. Really, just chill.

I'm being an ass for defending my point? I'm the ass for being the one who is laughing at the other side because I'm with the majority?

If it's a waste of your time, then stop posting about it.

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No kidding... the board itself would make that match priceless XD
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So do Aerith and Sora. KH = action/RPG, FFVII = RPG, MGS= stealth/action. FF appeals to me, KH doesn't.

FFVII differs from KH as much as MGS does from KH. FFVII appeals to me, KH doesn't. That didn't keep Aerith from SFFing Sora to hell and back. Unless you think KH-players would vote Aerith over Sora without having played FFVII.

Aerith - Sora = Square SFF, Snake - Sora = Sony SFF.

There's no such thing like Sony SFF, Sony doesn't produce any notable games!

The notion of Aeris/Sora SFF is STILL in question, so until Sora faced another FF VII char I won't put too much stock into it.

Even if that's SFF, FF VII and KH are both RPGs, they have much more in common than KH does with MGS.

And I mean the rest of the population as a whole, including those who doesn't care about both, in average.

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The notion of Aeris/Sora SFF is STILL in question, so until Sora faced another FF VII char I won't put too much stock into it.

By you, maybe. Unless you're telling me Sora made a drastically large jump in popularity for no reason at all, anyway.
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There's no such thing like Sony SFF, Sony doesn't produce any notable games!

There are Sony fanboys.


The notion of Aeris/Sora SFF is STILL in question, so until Sora faced another FF VII char I won't put too much stock into it.

What? Sora was predicted to lose from Ryu after Aerith -Sora, then broke 60% on him.

Even if that's SFF, FF VII and KH are both RPGs, they have much more in common than KH does with MGS.

Well, KH and MGS are both action games, as opposed to FFVII.


And I mean the rest of the population as a whole, including those who doesn't care about both, in average.

I was actually thinking about this, that the SFF would be pretty much evenly split. But come on, it's Snake. I think it'd favour him.

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*ignores consolefreak*
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Sony fanboys as in PS2 fanboys.
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What Auron are you using? He's stronger than Alucard, even unadjusted.

I'm using 2k4 Auron over 2k3 Ganon, I got around 42.3% for Auron.

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*ignores consolefreak*

If that's your way of resolving arguments, then go ahead.
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Wow, biggest jump Sora made all day!
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Man, Sora is just killing Alucard with the after school vote. Not that it's any surprise, but that was a huge last update for him.

This match should break 90,000 here, but not get much higher. It's about 1000 ahead of Alucard/Kratos.
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And another one!!!
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I wonder how much if at all Alucard will be able to cut into Sora's percentage with the night-vote...
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I would definitely take Kirby over Alucard. I would stop to consider other Nintendo characters as well, as far down as DK.
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There are Sony fanboys.

PS2 fanboys?

One among a thousand voters, perhaps...

What? Sora was predicted to lose from Ryu after Aerith -Sora, then broke 60% on him.

That's because Jill dropped, not because Ryu is strong.

And again, those two are from the RPG genre.

Well, KH and MGS are both action games, as opposed to FFVII.

I don't play KH for the action, but I did that for MGS.

If you want action, you go for platforming or FPS games, not RPG's.

I was actually thinking about this, that the SFF would be pretty much evenly split. But come on, it's Snake. I think it'd favour him.

Those who like Sora more will vote Sora, those who like Snake more will vote Snake, there's nothing more to it.

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DK? Let's not get carried away here.
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