I ment 100-200 votes out of the total 1000 would be in favor of one character. The rest would be split.
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I just said 100-200 at the ABSOLUTE MOST. 40 is the lower end of the spectrum.
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I ment 100-200 votes out of the total 1000 would be in favor of one character. The rest would be split.

Yeah well the 1000 votes are pretty random to begin with, and I'd wager Snake getting more SFF too (both in relative and absolute terms).
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this site loves metal gear,nintendo and square above all. and since square games are on the same system as the metal gear games i would imagine a lot of users have a bit of both
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Yeah well the 1000 votes are pretty random to begin with, and I'd wager Snake getting more SFF too (both in relative and absolute terms).

So you think there are more than 1000 people who vote on GFAQS who own a MGS game and KH, who like both Snake and Sora? Maybe, but I doubt that number would reach upwards 10000 where it would have to be alter the match which at this point looks like a 55-45 affair in snakes favor. And thats assuming every single one of the 10000 people vote snake
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So you think there are more than 1000 people who vote on GFAQS who own a MGS game and KH, who like both Snake and Sora?

Yes, way more, even.


Maybe, but I doubt that number would reach upwards 10000 where it would have to be alter the match which at this point looks like a 55-45 affair in snakes favor. And thats assuming every single one of the 10000 people vote snake

I never said that. I said that Sora doesn't stand a chance against Snake because if he could actually manage to get it close without SFF (which is doubtful to begin with) Snake would get SFF'd to victory.
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Seph has gone against many other PS chars, and yet Liquid is the ONLY one he SFF'ed, what bull****.

The term SFF should really be restricted to chars within the same game/franchise/company.

And even company is really pushing it.

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I never said that. I said that Sora doesn't stand a chance against Snake because if he could actually manage to get it close without SFF (which is doubtful to begin with) Snake would get SFF'd to victory.

You are correct in assuming Sora will get nowhere near snake, I just dont think SFF would have anythign significant to do with it.
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You are correct in assuming Sora will get nowhere near snake, I just dont think SFF would have anythign significant to do with it.

Well, it doesn't have to be significant to make a difference.

It can only make a difference in the first place if Sora would beat Snake without SFF. I could possibly see this happening, but Sora would be in the early 50%s. In such a case, SFF could, and would, make the difference.
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From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 8/25/2005 3:06:20 PM | Message Detail
This is the obligatory "I was right, you were wrong" post to whoever it was that bashed me for calling Alucard/Sora obvious (which it was). Maybe it was mnm, I can't remember.

This is the obligatory chuckle for you backing Terra. Teehee. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

And console, I really have no idea what was being argued with the PDS thing, but in regard to the 'Cloud not garnering 8 million votes,' that is clearly directly proportional to size. If I have a group with eight people who I want to go with me to a baseball game, and a group of 800, clearly the group of 800 will have more people, and more than likely the group of 8 will have a higher percentage. On a site where only 100k votes are cast, Cloud clearly will not be seeing 8 million votes anytime soon.

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This is the obligatory "I was right, you were wrong" post to whoever it was that bashed me for calling Alucard/Sora obvious (which it was). Maybe it was mnm, I can't remember.

Huh? I have Sora winning. It was rather obvious to me as well.

And what the hell has this stats topics fallen to? People are arguing Sora/Snake SFF???
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And console, I really have no idea what was being argued with the PDS thing, but in regard to the 'Cloud not garnering 8 million votes,' that is clearly directly proportional to size. If I have a group with eight people who I want to go with me to a baseball game, and a group of 800, clearly the group of 800 will have more people, and more than likely the group of 8 will have a higher percentage. On a site where only 100k votes are cast, Cloud clearly will not be seeing 8 million votes anytime soon.

I agree with that, but it still doesn't quite compare. PDS getting nearly 100% the amount of votes compared to the sales, as opposed to Cloud who fails to break 1%.
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And what the hell has this stats topics fallen to? People are arguing Sora/Snake SFF???

At least I can argument on it. And you'll see when Snake breaks 55% on Sora, that there is indeed SFF.

Unless you would take Alucard over Zelda.
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Snake wouldn't need SFF to break 55% on Sora. This whole argument is absurd. Can we please just stop talking about it?
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And you'll see when Snake breaks 55% on Sora, that there is indeed SFF.

lol Zelda is stronger than Sora.

And Snake/Sora SFF? You guys really that bored?
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Err, Sora over Zelda, that is.
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I seriously don't get this arguement at all. Snake should break 55% normally. How does that suggest SFF?

Snake would be projected (if use zelda) to beat sora with around 55-45% anyway so the SFF will have nothign to do with it if it finishes at that number. When and if he hits 60% then SFF might be considered a factor.
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Snake wouldn't need SFF to break 55% on Sora. This whole argument is absurd. Can we please just stop talking about it?

No one's forcing you to join the argument.

And yes, yes he would. Snake is expected 54.99% on Alucard. Sora - Snake should be around 50-50 with zero SFF.

And Snake/Sora SFF? You guys really that bored?

Nice argument.

I seriously don't get this arguement at all. Snake should break 55% normally. How does that suggest SFF?

Actually, according to the poll, Sora should beat Snake.

Snake would be projected (if use zelda) to beat sora with around 55-45% anyway so the SFF will have nothign to do with it if it finishes at that number. When and if he hits 60% then SFF might be considered a factor.

Well, Alucard suggests 50-50.

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well, I just read 75 posts and only found one worth responding to: I'd take Zelda over Sora.
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Seriously, is it so hard to believe that some people have played both KH and an MGS game, and actually liked them???

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Well, Alucard suggests 50-50.

That means you would take Ganon over snake correct? After his match with zelda I can't see Ganon beating him by anymore than something like 51-49 if at all.
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Are you assuming Snake is at his 2k4 level? He obviously went back up towards his 2k3 level.

So, assuming sprite round, Sora beats Snake, does that then mean <gasp> rSFF? Blasphemy!

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by the way, Sora's gotten 56% of the votes over the last hour. he should be breaking 55% with ease.
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That means you would take Ganon over snake correct?

Not quite. Alucard 2k4 loses to Ganondorf 2k4. Although I would take Ganondorf over Snake right now, but that's a different discussion.


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"This is the obligatory "I was right, you were wrong" post to whoever it was that bashed me for calling Alucard/Sora obvious (which it was). Maybe it was mnm, I can't remember."

Well it wasn't me, 'cause I was calling it obvious too.
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Seriously, is it so hard to believe that some people have played both KH and an MGS game, and actually liked them???

Yes. They're two completely different games, appealing to two compeltely differet demographics, at least with other disputed SFF, like Megaman-Link, the series were similar.
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Sora - Snake should be around 50-50 with zero SFF.

That match will NOT be going 50-50. Snake > Zelda > Sora > Alucard, so expect Alu to drop in the standings a little this year.
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Are you assuming Snake is at his 2k4 level? He obviously went back up towards his 2k3 level.

I was, actually.

So, assuming sprite round, Sora beats Snake, does that then mean <gasp> rSFF? Blasphemy!

It won't happen, but that would actually mean no SFF at all (unless Sora got like 60%). That is taking Snake's 2k4 level.

Yes. They're two completely different games, appealing to two compeltely differet demographics, at least with other disputed SFF, like Megaman-Link, the series were similar.

You know, I should make a topic on the PS2 board asking if you have both KH and an MGS game. I'm thinking the majority would say yes.
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Sora>Zelda, and sadly, when it actually works out that way, everyone is going to place it solely on Solid's horrific sprite.

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That match will NOT be going 50-50. Snake > Zelda > Sora > Alucard, so expect Alu to drop in the standings a little this year.

It won't indeed, due to Snake being stronger than last year and SFFing Sora.
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50-50? according to what, unadjusted 2k4 Snake? the one who beat Zelda 55-45, who's at 30% BL?
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SFF technically exists in every match. No matter how seemingly unrelated the two characters are, there is at least one person who likes both and thus a fanbase overlap. However, in the vast majority of cases this is irrlevant. Either the fanbase overlap is not large enough or the overlapping section splits roughly the same way as the non-overlap section.

So yes, there is technically SFF in Sora vs Snake but it's very, very unlikely that it will be a relavant amount.
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There will be very little SFF between Sora and Snake. Most of you know this. Why is this conversation still going?
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I have KH and MGS, MGS2 and MGS3. I have put about 80 hours into KH, 2 hours into MGS, 20 minutes into MGS2 and 30 minutes into MGS3. Sure, that is directly related to how horrible I am at those kind of games, but I watched my roommate beat MGS and MGS2, and the storyline wasn't anything special to me. Liquid Snake kicked ass, though.

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50-50? according to what, unadjusted 2k4 Snake? the one who beat Zelda 55-45, who's at 30% BL?

SFF-adjusted Snake, obviously.

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and tnote, if Sora gets more than 45%, I'll change my mind, picture or not.
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Can we make another topic just for the discussion of Sora/Snake SFF?
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It won't indeed, due to Snake being stronger than last year and SFFing Sora.


Snake will not SFF Sora in any significant way, and will beat him in a match similar to his match with Zelda, around 55-45. I rest my case.
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There will be very little SFF between Sora and Snake. Most of you know this. Why is this conversation still going?

Because I can defend my argument in a non-I'm a fortune teller kind of way and people tend ro respond to me because they can sense I'm serious, unlike you who's just being an *** about it.
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It won't indeed, due to Snake being stronger than last year and SFFing Sora.

Snake won't need an ounce of SFF to break 55% on Sora.

Alucard was simply over-rated in 2k4, thanks to Ganon being given his 2k3 rank, which isn't valid to begin with.

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Can we make another topic just for the discussion of Sora/Snake SFF?

Don't worry, I'll make one when Snake crushes Sora.
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adjusted 2k4 Snake gets 56.25% on 2k4 Sora. if you're going to use Sora based on Alucard, at least use Snake based on Zelda.
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Don't worry, I'll make one when Snake crushes Sora.

Good, now until then lets end this seeing no ones changing they're opinion anyway...
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adjusted 2k4 Snake gets 56.25% on 2k4 Sora. if you're going to use Sora based on Alucard, at least use Snake based on Zelda.

Fair enough.
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Man, Sora is really impressing me right now. I'd say that this makes Tidus look a little better tomorrow.

Fun with numbers:

Based on Alucard's 2004 number, Sora currently stands at 32.73% on Link, almost exactly even with Ryu.

Based on Alucard's 2003 number, Sora currently stands at 30.32% on Link, not too far above his 2004 number, actually.

Based on Sora's 2004 number, Alucard drops to 26.91%, right above Shadow (below Tidus, yo).

Then some number crunching for tomorrow's match (assuming the Alucard/Kirby proportion from 2003 is still intact):

Tidus 2003 vs. Kirby 2004: Tidus wins with 58.33%

Tidus 2004 vs. Kirby 2004: Kirby wins with 52.36%

Tidus 2003 vs. Kirby 2003: Tidus wins with 61.54%

Tidus 2004 vs. Kirby 2003: Tidus wins with 51.56%

Tidus 2003 vs. Kirby (Alucard/Sora): Tidus wins with 62.45%

Tidus 2004 vs. Kirby (Alucard/Sora): Tidus wins with 52.70%

So...the question is: Would anyone take Kirby over Alucard in a rematch?
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As we've already said, If you're going to use Sora through alucard, then atl east use snake through zelda which has him back at his 2k3 value or even alittle above it.
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