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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 215
From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:11:40 AM | Message Detail
KH2 isn't even out yet, and CoM isn't even a console game.

So what if its not a console? You think a sequel isn't a reason to increase? Especially, a sequel where he's introduced to the handheld audience and thought to be more likeable?

Disney commercials has been airing since KH.

And more commercials for KH:CoM were aired. Maybe people haven't seen them until this year. A kid that watches the disney channel could stumble on to GameFAQs and say "Hey look, its that guy from the commercial!" *votes*

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From: therealmnm | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:14:21 AM | Message Detail
Chain of Memories introduced Sora and Kingdom Hearts as a whole to an entirely new demographic. Unless you think many of those PS2 Kingdom Hearts owners are GBA owners as well...

Ever since the announcement of Kingdom Hearts II, Sora's image has undergone a drastic change. He has become less child-like and more like a main stream FF protagonist, a type of character that is rather popular on this site...
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From: sidharta | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:22:36 AM | Message Detail
So what if its not a console? You think a sequel isn't a reason to increase? Especially, a sequel where he's introduced to the handheld audience and thought to be more likeable?

Chain of Memories introduced Sora and Kingdom Hearts as a whole to an entirely new demographic. Unless you think many of those PS2 Kingdom Hearts owners are GBA owners as well...

I have yet to know anyone who got attached to a char from a handheld game.

Handhelds in general simply doesn't receive the same amount of respect that consoles get.

Besides, CoM doesn't seem to benefit Cloud or Squall at all...

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From: Explicit Content | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:25:14 AM | Message Detail
Maybe that's because, you know, Sora is the main character.

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:26:17 AM | Message Detail
Cloud hasn't even performed yet, and Geno is a new character. Cloud and Squall don't play very big roles in CoM, either.

However, there's this awesome new screen of Cloud and Leon in KH2! Check it out!!!

http://sorasdomain.net/images/Cloud%20Leon.jpg

>_>
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:27:31 AM | Message Detail
Why wouldn't Chain of Memories have an affect on Sora? It sold nearly a million copies (700,000) and introduced Sora to a fanbase that was likely more Nintendo-based.

It would not make any sense in this case to assume that Sora remained constant with that having been released.

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From: Explicit Content | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:29:42 AM | Message Detail
Meh, I personally didn't think today's match would be that close... I was more worried about Snake/Zelda, I thought Sora would take it easily, and he is.

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:31:04 AM | Message Detail
Imagine if Sora faced Alucard last year instead of Ryu H.

Oh, that would have been priceless.
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From: sidharta | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:37:54 AM | Message Detail
Why wouldn't Chain of Memories have an affect on Sora? It sold nearly a million copies (700,000) and introduced Sora to a fanbase that was likely more Nintendo-based.

It would not make any sense in this case to assume that Sora remained constant with that having been released.


As I said above, handhelds don't get the same amount of respect that consoles get.

And look at Snake in 2k4, Twin Snakes surely benefit him, didn't it?

Of course, Sora could've increased, but there are reasons to suggest that it was Alucard underperforming and not Sora overperforming today.

After Ganon's matches with Yuna and Auron, it seems to me that Ganon being over-rated makes much more sense.

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From: Explicit Content | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:40:00 AM | Message Detail
As I said above, handhelds don't get the same amount of respect that consoles get.

According to who?

And look at Snake in 2k4, Twin Snakes surely benefit him, didn't it?

I forgot that Twin Snakes was on a handhe-- oh wait, it wasn't.

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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:40:25 AM | Message Detail
Ganon was a monster against Auron. Overrated? Yeah, he could have been overrated in 2004 bur his matches in this contest aren't what indicate that.
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From: voltch | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:42:40 AM | Message Detail
this match is a bloodbath for alucard now
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:42:49 AM | Message Detail
As I said above, handhelds don't get the same amount of respect that consoles get.

When have you ran into a case where the character in question was previously on another non-Nintendo platform, then received the handheld platform title, it sold very well, and had said character being the main character... again?

There hasn't been much of a reason for other characters who have received handheld titles to increase in the past, or at least none I could think of right off the bat. However, how one could ignore something like this with Chain of Memories makes no sense to me. Sora's first game was on the PS2, then he got a game on the GBA as the main character again. You're telling me that isn't going to do anything of note?

And look at Snake in 2k4, Twin Snakes surely benefit him, didn't it?

The Twin Snakes sold very poorly as it is -- nowhere near the amount that Chain of Memories sold. Solid Snake is also far more established and well-known than Sora is. That's something to take into account, along with the poor sales.

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From: sidharta | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:50:26 AM | Message Detail
I forgot that Twin Snakes was on a handhe-- oh wait, it wasn't.

People argued that Twin Snakes was supposed to introduce Snake to a brand new audience.

But it didn't help him at all.

I guess CoM introducing Sora to Nintendrones won't help him much either, if at all.

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:51:08 AM | Message Detail
Alucard won an update. *cries*
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From: ExquisiteSamurai | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:51:36 AM | Message Detail
After KHII releases, where would you guys place Sora in terms of strength?

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:52:25 AM | Message Detail
Around Sonic's level. >_>;;
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From: sidharta | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:53:51 AM | Message Detail
Around Sonic's level. >_>;;

In your dreams...

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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:53:59 AM | Message Detail
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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 8/25/2005 10:54:22 AM | Message Detail
Well, realistically, he may just become the strongest non-FF7/CT Square character. Hell, he almost is already.
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From: JonPen1416 | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:00:16 AM | Message Detail
For what it's worth, Felix is only on a handheld and he did pretty decently. I'm not sure how much 47% on MC is worth anymore, but he still got it. *shrugs*
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From: ExquisiteSamurai | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:01:27 AM | Message Detail
Wait.. I am just curious, in a Squall vs. Auron match, who would win? Who's also stronger indirectly?

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From: swirldude | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:09:55 AM | Message Detail
Auron to both, M I RITE?
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From: ExquisiteSamurai | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:11:10 AM | Message Detail
I am not sure.. That's why I am asking.. =)

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:11:14 AM | Message Detail
And Sora passes the 54% mark!

But my, what horrendous vote totals.
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From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:16:21 AM | Message Detail
What is Solid Snake expected to get on Alucard? Different question, same answer: what does Sora need to get on Alucard (pretending the match has not started) in order to have a legitimate shot at Solid? 56%? 58%?

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From: voltch | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:19:08 AM | Message Detail
the question is how strong would a post KH2&FF7:AC cloud be against a post Legend Of Zelda:TP Link?
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From: creativename | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:20:27 AM | Message Detail
I'm guessing Snake is back in the 35% BL range, so I don't think that Sora can challenge him. I think that Sora can't be much above 30%.
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From: transience | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:20:38 AM | Message Detail
and I wake up to Sora breaking 54%. I wonder how high the percentage will go before it stabilizes?
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:21:09 AM | Message Detail
Link after TP AND a Revolution Launch with SSBO with a hopefully higher tier Link will most likely be unstoppable.
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From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:22:01 AM | Message Detail
Good for Sora. He's owning the plan right now.

Still didn't expect to see him doing so well...
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From: consolefreak | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:28:49 AM | Message Detail
Link after TP AND a Revolution Launch with SSBO with a hopefully higher tier Link will most likely be unstoppable.

I think KH2 and AC would give Clouds a bigger boost.

What is Solid Snake expected to get on Alucard

First of all, Sora doesn't stand a chance against Solid Snake (SFF will favour Solid Snake, and it will be existent).

Anyway, from the 2k4 stats Snake is expected 54.99% (a number Sora will likely exceed).

However, SFF isn't the only thing working in Snake's favour; after his match with Zelda and hers with Vivi, Snake is expected to get 59.44% (that's assuming a constant Vivi).


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From: BeTheMan | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:28:52 AM | Message Detail
Link after TP AND a Revolution Launch with SSBO with a hopefully higher tier Link will most likely be unstoppable.

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this before, but what happens if Nintendo butchers the Revolution controller to the point where SSBO and other titles play like complete and utter crap? Would we see some sort of fallout from that in next year's voting patterns? I'd be curious to see how people react.
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From: Safer Sephiroth 777 | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:29:24 AM | Message Detail
Hey so what do you say about Sora vs Snake match?He can beat Snake with these percentages?I guess that today he will win with about 57%.So can Snake beat him?
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:30:53 AM | Message Detail
First of all, Sora doesn't stand a chance against Solid Snake (SFF will favour Solid Snake, and it will be existent).

What?
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From: consolefreak | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:32:40 AM | Message Detail
What?

What what?
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 39/42. Today: Sora, tomorrow: Tidus
From: transience | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:33:48 AM | Message Detail
and I thought Leon/Mega Man SFF was crazy..
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From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:34:16 AM | Message Detail
How in Sacred Bovine's name is Solid Snake going to SFF Sora?

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From: consolefreak | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:34:54 AM | Message Detail
and I thought Leon/Mega Man SFF was crazy..

Denying the existence of SFF in Snake - Sora is ridiculous -- I'll be SFF-voting Snake.

The amount of SFF is the only debatable thing.
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 39/42. Today: Sora, tomorrow: Tidus
From: consolefreak | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:35:43 AM | Message Detail
How in Sacred Bovine's name is Solid Snake going to SFF Sora?

Sony fanboys (like me).
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 39/42. Today: Sora, tomorrow: Tidus
From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:35:51 AM | Message Detail
I know. Sora and Snake have tons in common.
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From: consolefreak | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:36:44 AM | Message Detail
I know. Sora and Snake have tons in common.

It's a good thing that that has nothing to do with SFF.
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 39/42. Today: Sora, tomorrow: Tidus
From: consolefreak | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:37:09 AM | Message Detail
Sephiroth SFF'd Liquid, didn't he? Again, sony fanboys.
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even when a pawn becomes a queen, it's still just a playing piece -President Johnson, MGS2. SC2k5: 39/42. Today: Sora, tomorrow: Tidus
From: voltch | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:37:31 AM | Message Detail
how strong would solid snake be after MGS4,MGS3:Susistence and MGA2? he is afterall playable in all 3 since he's playable in MG and MG2 which comes with subsistence which also has online play.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:37:38 AM | Message Detail
.....

I'm not so sure about that.
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From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:37:56 AM | Message Detail
Sephiroth did not SFF Liquid, and the fact that you think he did almost makes me el ooh el.

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From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:38:18 AM | Message Detail
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From: consolefreak | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:38:27 AM | Message Detail
Sephiroth did not SFF Liquid, and the fact that you think he did almost makes me el ooh el

Pac-Man > Frog? Kefka > Frog?
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From: Tediz247 | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:39:03 AM | Message Detail
500 characters > Magus > Sora
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From: ExquisiteSamurai | Posted: 8/25/2005 11:39:08 AM | Message Detail
Squall > Knux

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