Ganon in 2k3 is clearly overrated. Adjust him with Tidus 2k4 and he loses to Zelda. Of course, I wouldn't adjust him down quite that far, but he wouldn't get over 56% by any stretch.

It would also be incredibly foolish to adjust him down with 2004 Tidus, if only because you act as though those three will always remain that close to each other. And I think it's plenty possible that Ganon get 55% against Zelda.

Why would Zelda's gain be less than Ganon's? Both of them had equal representation relative to the rest of the series in ZCE,

Ganon has and more than likely always will play a far more prominent role in those games than Zelda does. She, more or less, is the damsel in distress. I can see far more reason for people liking Ganon out of that than Zelda, if only because her role tends to be very small in those games.

and there's been more TP info on Zelda than on Ganon.

I don't believe Twilight Princess would do anything to anyone but Link, and even then I would suspect it to be small.

Well, with the AC delay being pretty much confirmed now, the FFVII crew has it's work cut out for it.

It wasn't as though they were going to breeze right through everything to begin with. But they're still capable of doing what everyone has been calling for them to do.

Is that the one with Vincent in that people were saying would carry him to winning his division, the ToC and the presidency of the USA, or is that the other one?

That's Dirge of Cerberus. Advent Children was just there to potentially help him against Crono.

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Maybe because Bowser got 40% on Sephiroth, something I don't think Snake can do, while I figured that Bowser would beat Zelda 55/45 both before and after her match with Vivi. Naturally, I thought that would come with SFF after Vivi's match, but, hey, I'll take this.

What I don't understand is how people can be confident with Ryu over Bowser after Ryu's match with Rikku or Tidus over Kirby after Tidus' match with Mega Man.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

I don't know how anyone can believe Bowser will take Snake after this match.

There's no reason to change your opinion one way or another based on this match. I would have always taken Bowser over Zelda, long before this match even happened. Snake's performance today falls right in line with an adjusted 2004 Snake and a constant Zelda. There may have been some changes happening for both, but I certainly don't believe Snake has done anything to jump out of Bowser's reach.

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To the man whose spirit was so free it was bothersome... Kurosaki Ichigo, my sword has been broken by your freedom of spirit.

...you mean I had to read months of AC boost stories for naught? ugh. if it is indeed delayed, now all the Cloud supporters have an excuse. that sucks.

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Ocelot's bombing against Pac-Man doesn't speak all that highly of Bowser's number, nor does the fact that he faced Sephiroth, someone not exactly famed for his consistency. I honestly wouldn't dare take Chun-Li or Bison over Ken, but based on the Spring Contest and Bowser, they would be marginally stronger. I don't buy it at all.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

And might I ask why you think Kirby would do significantly better than Tidus did?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

I wouldn't take those two over Ken either, but that's because I think he's stronger than his last stats said too. Not that Chun-Li or Bison's values were incorrect.

if it is indeed delayed, now all the Cloud supporters have an excuse. that sucks.

Well, Cloud will still be winning so it won't be a problem. ;)

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To the man whose spirit was so free it was bothersome... Kurosaki Ichigo, my sword has been broken by your freedom of spirit.

35% on Mega Man? 25-27% on BL, exactly where Magus is going to end up? I'm fairly confident that Kirby could do better than that. And that thing where he increases every year for no apparent reason couldn't hurt, particularly when he has a few reasons to increase this year. Tidus, on the other hand, seems to be in decline.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

But, alas, Ad-Aware has finished running and I'm out of excuses to be on a computer. Back to the festivities I go, and still no Alucard/Sora picture. Oh well.
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"It shall be engraved upon your soul! Divine Assault: Nibelung Valesti!" ~ Lenneth Valkyrie

I actually think Tidus's performance last round was pretty good. I think this topic underestimated KoAC. The game has more mainstream appeal then some people give it credit for. Kirby vs Tidus is Snake vs Zelda part 2. Tidus should win comfortably, even with the Nintendo boost.
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I'm not saying I'd be surprised at Kirby beating Tidus, nor would I really mind it. The way I see it...If Alucard beats Sora easily, Kirby will beat Tidus. If Sora wins, then it's up for grabs.
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It's just not the same without this name.
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Although I think Tidus/Kirby will be close (with hopefully Tidus winning), I get the feeling Tidus is gonna pound on him worse than what Squall did.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 38/42 points
Current Match Prediction: Alucard vs. Sora

Ocelot's bombing against Pac-Man doesn't speak all that highly of Bowser's number, nor does the fact that he faced Sephiroth, someone not exactly famed for his consistency. I honestly wouldn't dare take Chun-Li or Bison over Ken, but based on the Spring Contest and Bowser, they would be marginally stronger. I don't buy it at all.

If you set Pac-Man equal to Kefka, his matchup with Ocelot is well within a reasonable margin of error. It turns the match into a toss-up, which it was. As far as Chun-Li or Bison over Ken, I'm not too sold on Ken's strength myself. He had probably the WORST two possible first round matchups that anyone has had outside of CATS.

There's nothing so far that has proven the spring contest stats to be a fluke. As long as Ganon does well, then Bowser should do equally well in this contest.
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Ocelot should've beaten Pac-Man like he got beaten, more or less. But there's really no reason to set him quite equal to Kefka. He's a little below.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Come on Sora/Alucard picture!

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SC2k5 - 39/42 (Kefka, Magus, Ocelot)

Ahhh, a nearly flawless oracle pick today. I had Snake with 54.20% Very, very nice. Though, I voted for Zelda and like her better, I'm not sad she lost, Snake is cool too. Besides, Zelda winning would haved messed a ton of people's brackets up. Badly. So it's all good I suppose.
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Vote for Yoshi
You have no chance to survive make your time.

don't look now, but Zelda's going 50-50 with Snake. this will end up under 54% if this keeps up.
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From: chronicfreeze | Posted: 8/24/2005 3:16:29 PM | Message Detail
Popularity chain on GameFAQs:

Link = Cloud >> Sephiroth > Samus > Crono > Mario > Mega Man > Snake > Sonic

Based on today's match, Snake > Megaman =/.
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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 30/32
Rank : 42/33793 Today: Mario Tomorrow: Zero

Based on today's match, Snake > Megaman =/.

wtf? Is that a typo? Mega Man beat Snake twice in a row, and did better against Zelda two years ago.
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He's basing it off of 2004 Vivi.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Just for kicks, check out this list. It shows each Noble Nine character having their worst showing against a non-Noble Nine member in each contest:


2k2:
Solid Snake allowed Aeris to get 43.46%.
Samus allowed Ryu to get 42.15%.
Sonic allowed Tidus to get 41.17%.
Crono allowed Dante to get 33.42%.
Mario allowed Morrigan to get 33.19%.
Cloud allowed Alucard to get 30.36%.
Link allowed Jill to get 27.37%.
Sephiroth allowed Crash to get 18.48%.
Mega Man allowed Serious Sam to get 8.16%.

2k3:
Sonic allowed Zero to get 47.66%.
Mario allowed Shadow to get 44.9%.
Solid Snake allowed Ryu to get 42.74%.
Samus allowed Squall to get 41.8%.
Mega Man allowed Zelda to get 39.25%.
Link allowed Magus to get 34.93%.
Cloud allowed Bowser to get 29.97%.
Sephiroth allowed Alucard to get 27.72%.
Crono allowed Kefka to get 21.08%.

2k4:
Solid Snake allowed Frog to get 48.61%.
Sonic allowed Ryu to get 44.46%.
Mega Man allowed Zero to get 43.99%.
Samus allowed Sora to get 34.15%.
Sephiroth allowed Auron to get 32.3%.
Crono allowed Magus to get 30.22%.
Mario allowed Bowser to get 29.35%.
Cloud allowed Squall to get 23.79%.
Link allowed Yoshi to get 18.26%.

Villain Contest:
Sephiroth allowed Ganondorf to get 41.83%.


It'll be interesting to see how this year adds to this list.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
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I still laugh every time I see how pathetic Mega Man's fourpack in 2K2 was.
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That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end.
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To note afew things about that list I just saw:

--Ryu is the only opponent who made that list every year (save for the Villain Contest).
--Zero, Magus, and Bowser has made that list for the two summers they've been here.
--Link takes **** from nobody who isn't Noble Nine, especially in comparison with the other members.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

No kidding. Nobody who's not Noble Nine would be lucky to break 30% on Link.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

And yes, Magus was lucky...I was more referring to Link now than in 2003.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

'Twas understood, Leonhart. Last thing I'll note though is that, from these lists alone, Solid Snake and Sonic have gotta be battling it out for the least impressive overall (with an edge to Solid). Expectedly enough, they're who the majority of us consider to be the weakest of this group.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Just for kicks, check out this list. It shows each Noble Nine character having their worst showing against a non-Noble Nine member in each contest

Nice list there. Ryu always has a noble duel with one of the noble nine, and goes out very nicely. It's kind of a shame that he'll be losing to the first non-noble 9 character this year, if and when Bowser can beat him. But Bowser is pretty strong, so if he loses, it won't be a pity. And besides, Ryu has a very good chance to win still.
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Vote for Yoshi
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Yeah, I still wouldn't count Ryu out. Granted, I'm taking Bowser, but it's still more than possible. Either way though, both Ryu and Bowser have made it on that list every year they made it in; it's just a shame Bowser wasn't in 2k2.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Ya know, I just got to lookin'...Ganon had 50.68% of the brackets as a new-comer 12-seed against the 5-seeded Tidus in 2k3. Fast-forward to yesterday, where Ganon had 67.25% of the brackets to get out of his four-pack which included the 2-seeded Auron...though he's coming hot off the trails of being a runner-up in the Villains Contest.

What I'm gettin' at is this: if Tidus/Auron happened in the first round (and let's assume it was seedless, a contest first, heh), who do you think would have the bracket advantage?
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Tidus, methinks.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

um, I'll guess Tidus would. toss-up, though.
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Actually wasn't Tidus the bracket favorite in 2k3 against Ganondorf?
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Summer 2005 Contest - 38/42 points
Current Match Prediction: Alucard vs. Sora

Yep, Ganondorf had 47.72% of the brackets in 2003.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Hey, that last update caught 90,000 votes on the money. Nice.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Whoops; it looks like I put down what percentage Ganon got on Tidus in the match, not the bracket-support. Yeah, 47.72% is the bracket-support Ganon had there.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Looks like this match will overtake Ganondorf/Yuna for most total votes.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Well, it's 206 behind Ganon/Yuna right now, so it's got a shot.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Yes, but it was over 3000 votes behind six hours ago, so it's gaining fast. Oh, and we're approaching 400 posts; anyone wanna make the next topic?
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

Whoever wants to do it can go ahead, but we need to designate one person so we don't end up with multiple topics.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

Actually, if nobody objects, I'd like to make the next one. Cool with everybody?
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Have at it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

heh, amazing what happens when Ulti isn't here.

I can do it if you like; I'm around a lot thanks to being online at work. if someone else wants to, though, they can.
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Cool with me, HaRRicH. I really don't care who makes them as long as the format is correct.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

yeah, I don't think anyone cares who actually makes the topic, as long as it's not TG or someone who never posts in here.
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Format? HA! I wouldn't mind seeing some chaos in the first post, personally.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/2005
SC2k5 - 39/42 (Kefka, Magus, Ocelot)

I'd feel unclean after posting in a TG Stats Topic.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.

:)

by the way, I noticed Ulti's acronyms page is out of bandwidth. maybe we should note that in the first post?
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Eh, the first post is a lil' too late right now, heh. If somebody'll e-mail Ulti and/or MMX though, it ought to be fixed or dealt with soon though.
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Hillary Clinton: We need to treat violent video games the way we treat tobacco or alcohol.
Lewis Black: Namely as valued contributors to our re-election fund.

Just say under the link "Site is currently down" or something like that.
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"The Lotus in Konoha blooms twice..." Rock Lee

Ganon would get 55% on Zelda only because of the SFF..

I would still go


Snake > Magus > Ganon > Zelda

Meaning..

If Snake played Magus = Snake
If Magus Played Ganon = Magus
If Ganon Played Zelda = Ganon due to SFF

however..

Zelda would beat Magus head up and Zelda > Ganon if SFF didn't exist.
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Summer 2005 Contest Score : 30/32
Rank : 42/33793 Today: Mario Tomorrow: Zero