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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 213
From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:22:58 PM | Message Detail
TRE, you're saving all these topics? o_O

Yep, so don't say anything you wouldn't want to be quoted three years from now. =D
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
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From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:23:12 PM | Message Detail
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From: swirldude | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:23:20 PM | Message Detail
DAMN YOU Leon!
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Knuckles the Echidna's road to the Sc2k5 Title!
Round 2: (2)Squall Leonhart
From: swirldude | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:23:47 PM | Message Detail
I must ask, how do you have that much file space? And...why?
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Knuckles the Echidna's road to the Sc2k5 Title!
Round 2: (2)Squall Leonhart
From: dragoontheguy | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:25:52 PM | Message Detail
I wouldn't imagine saving mass amounts of text to take up that much space.
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From: swirldude | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:26:52 PM | Message Detail
But at the rate we make topics, that is bound to catch up to him.
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Knuckles the Echidna's road to the Sc2k5 Title!
Round 2: (2)Squall Leonhart
From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:27:45 PM | Message Detail
I must ask, how do you have that much file space? And...why?

It doesn't take that much space, maybe 1Mb at the most. I archive them because they are fun to look back on and have information that isn't available anywhere else.
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From: RPGGamer0 | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:28:17 PM | Message Detail
No, it's not. If he has ~300 gigs of harddrive space, I'm sure he can hold a ****load more than 213 parts. And my Ganondorf with 54.89% isn't looking that bad.


~RPGGamer~
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:28:18 PM | Message Detail
It doesn't. It's like 50k a page, maybe.
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From: transience | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:30:37 PM | Message Detail
my my, 4-3 for Snake for the analysis crew. looks like we've got a match tomorrow, folks.

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From: transience | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:32:21 PM | Message Detail
and I would think the effort invested in trying to save the stats topics these days would outweigh the actual hard drive space they take up.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:47:15 PM | Message Detail
I seem to remember Ganon/Auron being 4-3 yesterday, too.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:47:37 PM | Message Detail
Ganon/Auron was 5-2.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Ganon vs. Auron - Bracket: Ganon - Vote: Ganon (34/38)
From: sidharta | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:55:45 PM | Message Detail
Looks like most of the analysis crew decided to abandon the X-stats altogether, seeing that a constant Zelda from 2k3 would beat un-adjusted Snake 2k4 with 51%.

That's not even considering a possible increase for Zelda due to ZCE being packaged with millions of GC's, the increase that pushed Link above Cloud.

I personally hope Snake wins, but I have a feeling he won't, just like how I felt yesterday that Auron won't topple Ganon.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 8/23/2005 7:59:29 PM | Message Detail
Of course, boo X-Stats! *throws unnecessary hate at them*

And I'm just the opposite. I know Zelda can win, but I just don't see it happening. Here's hoping that Snake has the lead when I get up...

And a final comment on today's poll. It's interesting that even with all the glitches and voting problems the match had, it's looking to land very close to 100K. This match could have gotten around 105K I'm guessing if everything went fine.
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SC2K5: Samus is going all the way!
Snake vs. Zelda - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (36/40)
From: transience | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:01:30 PM | Message Detail
Looks like most of the analysis crew decided to abandon the X-stats altogether, seeing that a constant Zelda from 2k3 would beat un-adjusted Snake 2k4 with 51%.

I hardly call picking someone projected to get 49% as abandoning the x-stats. that's a tossup.
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From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:03:56 PM | Message Detail
From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 8/23/2005 9:22:58 PM | Message Detail
TRE, you're saving all these topics? o_O

Yep, so don't say anything you wouldn't want to be quoted three years from now. =D


True Dat. I was bored at work this winter, and looking through the archived discussions about Sp2k4... man oooh man was it hilarious to see how wrong some of us.

From: sidharta | Posted: 8/23/2005 9:55:45 PM | Message Detail
Looks like most of the analysis crew decided to abandon the X-stats altogether, seeing that a constant Zelda from 2k3 would beat un-adjusted Snake 2k4 with 51%.


After seeing how underrated Knuckles was in the stats (since I refuse to believe the entire gap was 100% Magus being overrated), that gives Solid some added space to distance himself from Zelda. Basically, Solid will play the role of Ganondorf, and Zelda the role of Auron. Expect the same match tomorrow.

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SC2k5 - 37/40 (Kefka, Magus, Ocelot)
From: sidharta | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:09:56 PM | Message Detail
I hardly call picking someone projected to get 49% as abandoning the x-stats. that's a tossup.

Picking someone projected to get 49% to win with 50.5% is expecting a tossup on their favor.

But picking someone projected to get 49% to win with more than 51% is ignoring the X-stats.

Nothing wrong with that, mind you, it's just that IMO Zelda has more reasons to increase than Snake does.

So picking Snake to win despite already being below Zelda in the X-stats is essentially giving the X-stats the middle finger.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:10:59 PM | Message Detail
Here's hoping Snake annihilates Zelda :D
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Summer 2005 Contest - 36/40 points
Current Match Prediction: Solid Snake vs. Zelda
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:11:19 PM | Message Detail
You're using 2-year-old data for Zelda anyway, and you're assuming that Snake is better left unadjusted. You can't know either of these for certain.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: transience | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:11:56 PM | Message Detail
..you're kidding me. there's way more than 2% of standard error in the x-stats. even the biggest fan of the x-stats will admit to this.
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From: sidharta | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:12:40 PM | Message Detail
Basically, Solid will play the role of Ganondorf, and Zelda the role of Auron. Expect the same match tomorrow.

I don't think that will happen, but I sure as hell hope that it will play out just as you said.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:13:17 PM | Message Detail
Snake/Zelda = Ocelot/Wily.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 36/40 points
Current Match Prediction: Solid Snake vs. Zelda
From: sidharta | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:16:03 PM | Message Detail
..you're kidding me. there's way more than 2% of standard error in the x-stats. even the biggest fan of the x-stats will admit to this.

I know that, but you saw what Zelda did to Vivi, and also what Link did to Cloud in 2k4.

So Zelda has a double advantage here, X-stats and reason to increase.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:17:19 PM | Message Detail
The x-sts have Zelda > Ganondorf. I would honestly have a hard time picking her over Auron.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 36/40 points
Current Match Prediction: Solid Snake vs. Zelda
From: shadow8021 | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:18:20 PM | Message Detail
I could pick her over Auron, easily.
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Summer Contest Score: 35/38
Today's Pick: Ganondorf
From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:21:27 PM | Message Detail
I'd pick Zelda over Ganondorf.
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Board 8: Where people treat each other right.
From: sidharta | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:21:42 PM | Message Detail
The x-sts have Zelda > Ganondorf. I would honestly have a hard time picking her over Auron.

Only if you consider Vivi constant from 2k4, otherwise the only known value for Zelda is 30.29% from 2k3.

And we really don't know where Ganon is anyway, and we never will, thanks to his opponent next round.

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Reserved for the winner of the SC2K5 Guru Challenge.
From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:23:05 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, he should be getting thoroughly walloped by Samus.

Question: How does everyone see a Zelda/Ganondorf match playing out? Personally, I would think Zelda would easily break 55%.

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SC2k5 - 37/40 (Kefka, Magus, Ocelot)
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:23:32 PM | Message Detail
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From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:24:06 PM | Message Detail
...wrong topic...
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Summer 2005 Contest - 36/40 points
Current Match Prediction: Solid Snake vs. Zelda
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:24:13 PM | Message Detail
I never saw Zelda beating Ganondorf, but that's just me. I think it would play out in Bowser/Yoshi fashion, with a tinier edge to Zelda due to being titular.
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From: Dranze | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:25:01 PM | Message Detail
The x-sts have Zelda > Ganondorf. I would honestly have a hard time picking her over Auron.

If that's true, it's not hard to believe, I mean if Magus was really over-rated in 2k3, She has to be higher than at least ganondorf in that year.
From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:25:20 PM | Message Detail
Question: How does everyone see a Zelda/Ganondorf match playing out? Personally, I would think Zelda would easily break 55%.

I agree. In terms of getting SFF'D, Ganondorf is far and away the most pathetic thing we've ever seen, and Zelda is not only hot, not only has the series name behind her, not only talks more than Ganondorf, but is essentially the series's #2 hero. She'd easily defeat him.
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From: shadow8021 | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:26:09 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, but look at his opponent and the total votes of his match.

Solid Snake vs. Manny Calavera: 91639
Vivi vs. Zelda: 104671

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Summer Contest Score: 35/38
Today's Pick: Ganondorf
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:28:35 PM | Message Detail
To be fair, pit Zelda against Link and you'll see her get destroyed too. Not as bad as Ganon, mind you, but I'd bet she wouldn't break 20% on him. I really don't know who I'd take in a Zelda/Ganon match though...PROBABLY Zelda, but it'd be tough for me.
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From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:29:26 PM | Message Detail
Wait... who's putting what in who's pipe? Vivi better draw 13k more voters than Manny Calavera...

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SC2k5 - 37/40 (Kefka, Magus, Ocelot)
From: shadow8021 | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:30:11 PM | Message Detail
lol, imagine a Link/Zelda match without a match pic.
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Summer Contest Score: 35/38
Today's Pick: Ganondorf
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:31:32 PM | Message Detail
Oh, and since this will be decided in about a week: Master Mage, don't forget our sig-bet about Vincent and Tifa gettin' to the Sweet Sixteen. If neither make it, you get my sig (I think 'til the contest ends?). If only one makes it, we're both off the hook. If both make it, I get your sig (I think 'til the contest ends?).
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From: Aprosenf | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:32:42 PM | Message Detail
I think this match is getting way overhyped. Snake will not have much trouble disposing Zelda. He will win with at least 53-55%.
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From: shadow8021 | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:32:51 PM | Message Detail
It shows that Zelda did very well in a high voting match. Snake's victory wasn't as impressive, because he faced a weak opponent.
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Summer Contest Score: 35/38
Today's Pick: Ganondorf
From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:33:19 PM | Message Detail
lol, imagine a Link/Zelda match without a match pic.

XD
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From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:33:50 PM | Message Detail
From: shadow8021 | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:30:11 PM | Message Detail
lol, imagine a Link/Zelda match without a match pic.


That would be hilarious.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 36/40 points
Current Match Prediction: Solid Snake vs. Zelda
From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:35:31 PM | Message Detail
Oh, and since this will be decided in about a week: Master Mage, don't forget our sig-bet about Vincent and Tifa gettin' to the Sweet Sixteen. If neither make it, you get my sig (I think 'til the contest ends?). If only one makes it, we're both off the hook. If both make it, I get your sig (I think 'til the contest ends?).

Correct.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:35:48 PM | Message Detail
Heh, I actually wish CJay would go through a round one contest where no pictures were used, preferably the first-round. That'd be interesting to see; I would bet money Donkey Kong would beat Master Chief like that, for example.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:36:23 PM | Message Detail
Solid Snake vs. Manny Calavera: 91639
Vivi vs. Zelda: 104671

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.


Tidus 49.32% 57078
Ganondorf 50.68% 58660
TOTAL VOTES 115738

Sam Fisher 33.75% 30866
Magus 66.25% 60598
TOTAL VOTES 91464


Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Contest 2005 Championship
Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna
From: shadow8021 | Posted: 8/23/2005 8:59:40 PM | Message Detail
bump
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Summer Contest Score: 35/38
Today's Pick: Ganondorf
From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 8/23/2005 9:00:30 PM | Message Detail
Solid Snake vs. Manny Calavera: 91639
Vivi vs. Zelda: 104671

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.


Yeah, because we all know Vivi and Manny Calavera draw the same number of votes.
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MasterMage119
From: transience | Posted: 8/23/2005 9:11:14 PM | Message Detail
it's been a long time since I've seen a stats topic bumped.

some of these arguments for Zelda are getting silly - of course her match had more votes, it was against Vivi as opposed to Manny freakin' Calavera. Nintendo/Square always get the most votes, since most people either like one or the other.
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 8/23/2005 9:15:07 PM | Message Detail
Or both
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