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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 213
From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:13:19 PM | Message Detail
The poll finally updated.
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Faithful supporter of Squall Leonhart in SC2K5
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:14:41 PM | Message Detail
I'd give her a 2% boost at most, and even that is still too much.

That's less than DMC2 gave Dante. I'm really not understanding your reasoning for why DMC2 would give a bigger boost than FFX-2.
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From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:17:03 PM | Message Detail
And apparently, the poll wasn't accepting votes during that time either.
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From: sidharta | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:17:19 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, just like DMC2. Yuna was a completely different person in X-2, and also the protagonist. Being the protagonist helps, that's part of the reason that the protagonist is almost always the first character from a game to get in, and usually the most popular.

As I said, I knew nothing about the DMC series, so I will not comment.

I've played both FF X and FF X-2, that's why I have an opinion on those games.

Tifa is more prominent in FF VII, and she's arguably the "real" lead-female in it, but yet Aeris got in before she did.

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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:19:25 PM | Message Detail
Tifa is more prominent in FF VII, and she's arguably the "real" lead-female in it, but yet Aeris got in before she did.

Uh, so? What's that have to do with anything? Aeris got in because 2k2 didn't have nominations, and characters who've been in the contest before are more likely to get in again.

I've played both FF X and FF X-2, that's why I have an opinion on those games.

So, you think Yuna's exactly the same in both games? Strange, I've heard most people say that Yuna's completely different in X-2.
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From: Sir Crono | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:19:58 PM | Message Detail
Yuna sucks in FFX-2. I liked her in the original. The sequel ruined everything she was about.
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From: transience | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:21:05 PM | Message Detail
I didn't mind Yuna in x-2 as much as I did Rikku.
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From: dethfdddddh | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:21:28 PM | Message Detail
Did you hate her in X?
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:24:58 PM | Message Detail
I hated her with a passion in FFX. She's probably the worst character I've ever seen in a video game. I seriously doubt it would be possible to make her charactrer worse in X-2.
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From: sidharta | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:25:09 PM | Message Detail
Uh, so? What's that have to do with anything? Aeris got in because 2k2 didn't have nominations, and characters who've been in the contest before are more likely to get in again.

That's baseless speculation, ask Shadow or Wario or LS about it.

So, you think Yuna's exactly the same in both games? Strange, I've heard most people say that Yuna's completely different in X-2.

Yes, she did change drastically, and I hate her new personality.

And everyone I know liked the old Yuna better.

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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:27:44 PM | Message Detail
Uh, so? What's that have to do with anything? Aeris got in because 2k2 didn't have nominations, and characters who've been in the contest before are more likely to get in again.

That's baseless speculation, ask Shadow or Wario or LS about it.


Of course it is, but I still don't see what your original point is.
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From: sidharta | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:28:09 PM | Message Detail
I hated her with a passion in FFX. She's probably the worst character I've ever seen in a video game. I seriously doubt it would be possible to make her charactrer worse in X-2.

Have you even played FF X-2?

It's a somewhat good game, if you completely ignore the chars and the storyline.

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From: dethfdddddh | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:30:34 PM | Message Detail
That's really hard.
From: sidharta | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:31:10 PM | Message Detail
Of course it is, but I still don't see what your original point is.

Lead chars doesn't always get in first, nor will they always be the most popular among the chars in their game.

Vivi > Zidane is proof of this, plus he also got in before Zidane did.

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From: transience | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:31:38 PM | Message Detail
actually, I had no problem doing that. sceneskip and mute are wonderful things.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:32:18 PM | Message Detail
So it's a good RPG if you don't focus on what's generally considered to be an RPG's most appealing points?

Sucks for FFX-2.
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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:35:07 PM | Message Detail
Lead chars doesn't always get in first, nor will they always be the most popular among the chars in their game.

Vivi > Zidane is proof of this, plus he also got in before Zidane did.


Yeah, I know. So what? I still have no idea what this has to do with Yuna. Are you saying that she's more popular than Tidus despite missing out in 2002?

Have you even played FF X-2?

It's a somewhat good game, if you completely ignore the chars and the storyline.


Nope, not yet. I was thinking about it after I finish with Ico though.
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From: transience | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:36:09 PM | Message Detail
Harrich: for people who believe those things to be the most important part of an RPG, it's the worst game ever made.
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From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:37:57 PM | Message Detail
Well, just saw the results. This turned out to be an overhyped match, unfortunately.

And about Snake vs. Zelda:

Snake with at least 55%.
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Summer 2005 Contest - 34/38 points
Current Match Prediction: Ganondorf vs. Auron
From: sidharta | Posted: 8/23/2005 2:40:37 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, I know. So what? I still have no idea what this has to do with Yuna. Are you saying that she's more popular than Tidus despite missing out in 2002?

I was trying to say that being a prominent char is usually just as good as being a lead.

Yuna is an example where being the lead won't do her much good, as she is already prominent enough in FF X as it is.

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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:05:51 PM | Message Detail
Wow. I didn't expect this, especially after Ness did so well. The Spring Contest results are looking mighty fine, huh?
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From: transience | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:15:54 PM | Message Detail
yeesh, I thought Ganon would start slipping in percentage, but he's holding strong. I wonder when Auron will finally start eating away at his lead, cause it should be happening at some point.
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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:18:36 PM | Message Detail
This doesn't tell us much at all about the Spring Contest. Fraknly, Auron has been in as much uncertainty in the past as Ganon.
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From: Dranze | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:20:29 PM | Message Detail

Snake with at least 55%.


These assumptions are really, really, almost delusional.

Zelda and Snake are just about almost even equal now, whoever wins, will not get "at least 55%". I don't get where you're coming from, seriously.
From: therealmnm | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:21:01 PM | Message Detail
All the Auron fans are going to cling to the Spring Stats now to make him seem as strong as possible. :P
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From: Heroic_Cable | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:21:36 PM | Message Detail
Donkey Kong will beat Master Chief.
From: JonPen1416 | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:21:48 PM | Message Detail
Zelda has had 3 matches, and only one in the past two years. Saying Snake can get 55% on her based off of ONE match is not delusional. I don't think he can do it, but it isn't delusional.
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From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:30:51 PM | Message Detail
Donkey Kong will beat Master Chief.

No.

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From: Dranze | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:31:30 PM | Message Detail
Seeing how weak Frog is, I'd say DK beating Master Chief isn't impossible right about now.
From: Lopen | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:34:13 PM | Message Detail
I think Snake will get around 55% as well. This guy beats Knuckles with around 60% every year. Knuckles isn't a joke, he's proven his strength year in and year out. Vivi's beaten DK, rather convincingly, but that's it.

And no, I don't think Mega Man was "at his weakest yet" last year. (I believe in the Link-Mega Man SFF) And he could have done a bit better considering he was just about blasting Snake's head off in the picture. And even with his weakest performance against Mega Man, Solid Snake still beat Zelda's showing by about 4%.

The only reason I'm doubting Snake breaking 55% is because of his picture... but I'm still not really worried about him losing the match because of it. And like I said, I don't think Zelda's half is much better.

And hey, I missed a Raiden conversation... too bad. Nominate Raiden for 2k6! Erase your mind of the SFF doubts!
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Raiden fact of the post: Raiden would be beating Auron by at least as much as we're seeing here.
From: Heroic Dr Wily | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:35:35 PM | Message Detail
Donkey Kong will beat Master Chief.

No.


YES.
From: Yesmar | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:35:45 PM | Message Detail
Just got back from New York:

A) Yay for Ganondorf!


B) What the hell is up with Snake's pic?!!!! I mean honestly, who/what the hell is that supposed to be?
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From: Kaxon | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:39:34 PM | Message Detail
Zelda got an OOT pic, and we all know where OOT stands in the LoZ franchise's popularity food chain.

Having a pic from OOT doesn't help - when your name's Zelda, you don't need recognizability. All you need is to look as cool as possible, and this pic doesn't live up to what she got last round.
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From: transience | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:41:01 PM | Message Detail
Having a pic from OOT doesn't help - when your name's Zelda, you don't need recognizability.

funny, no one's using this argument with Snake.
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From: dethfdddddh | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:46:08 PM | Message Detail
Because Snake's series isn't a huge one at GameFAQS like Zelda's.

People need to be reminded of who he is.
From: Lopen | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:47:30 PM | Message Detail
funny, no one's using this argument with Snake.

It's irrelevant... no one's saying "Snake isn't going to be recognizable!". People are saying "Snake looks like crap!".

The both look bad. Snake looks worse, and he may lose some "I like em both, but xxx looks cooler votes". But I really can't see Zelda's picture getting her many picture votes either.
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Raiden fact of the post: Raiden's boots are more attractive than either character in that picture. Then again... they are nice boots.
From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:47:56 PM | Message Detail
funny, no one's using this argument with Snake.

Yeah, but is the poll actually going to have Solid Snake this time? It's not like Snake's a unique name; hell, it's used four times within its own series.
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From: transience | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:51:12 PM | Message Detail
I recognize Snake more than I do Zelda. Snake is perfectly recognizable, and the name Snake is also recognizable. you guys are wayyyyyyy overanalyzing this.

as for Snake's series not being as big as Zelda's: who's is? you could make the argument that Zelda >>> Crono based on that logic. or Ganon > Samus. or... Master Chief > everyone, or CJ.. well, you get the idea.
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From: yoblazer33 | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:52:53 PM | Message Detail
no one's saying "Snake isn't going to be recognizable!"

That's exactly what I'm saying. He isn't recognizable. Show that picture to this board (and remember, we're teh hardcore) and I'm guessing a third of us won't have any idea who the heck it is. Using the "picture doesn't matter" argument is a huge load of crap. When people look at a match, they see two things: a picture and a name. Those two things decide who the person will vote for... about... 100% of the time. If either of those two things is completely crapped upon, it will make a difference.
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From: dethfdddddh | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:54:42 PM | Message Detail
Heh. That's true.

Zelda just loses popularity since she's a girl...

>_>;

I'm kinda serious with this.
From: Draco1214 | Posted: 8/23/2005 3:59:10 PM | Message Detail
funny, no one's using this argument with Snake.

I don't recall Snake's games being called "Solid Snake".
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Summer 2005 Contest - 34/38 points
Current Match Prediction: Ganondorf vs. Auron
From: cyko | Posted: 8/23/2005 4:00:05 PM | Message Detail
hmph. besides dashing my bracket apart, the other bummer about this match is that, yes, Ganondorf is going to get SFF'd next round. "oh, but Metroid and Zelda are two different series", you say. that is true, but it appears that a good portion of both Samus and Ganondorf's popularity comes from SSBM. if Mario and Bowser can SFF Ness and Link can SFF Yoshi, then Samus can certainly SFF Ganondorf.

that means, that Ganondorf, Yuna, and Auron will all be underrated in the 2K5 stats.

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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 8/23/2005 4:01:05 PM | Message Detail
Hey, we can always just give him his 2003 ranking!

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From: Mac Arrowny | Posted: 8/23/2005 4:01:53 PM | Message Detail
I don't recall Snake's games being called "Solid Snake".

http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/msx/data/562988.html

>_>
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From: Kaxon | Posted: 8/23/2005 4:03:58 PM | Message Detail
funny, no one's using this argument with Snake.

Snake is well known, but his name is still nowhere near as recognizable as Zelda's. Even so, I think most of what he loses in pic factor will come from looking horrible, not from lack of recognizability.
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From: Lopen | Posted: 8/23/2005 4:04:57 PM | Message Detail
That's exactly what I'm saying

If that's the case, I'm saying that you're very much overdoing it. It's not so wacky that someone who is a fan of the series isn't going to get the picture. It's got nothing on Solid ****. Especially with the name under the poll choice and above his head.

Hell, I think you could make the same (or maybe better?) case for Zelda. Say a non Zelda fan votes Zelda because they like her in Super Smash Bros. Melee. She has officially lost those votes, now. She looks nothing like the Smash Bros. fans' Zelda they know and love.
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Raiden fact of the post: Raiden suggested that Snake get a Chibi-esque picture to match with Zeldas... how would that fare for him, I wonder?
From: cyko | Posted: 8/23/2005 4:06:10 PM | Message Detail
even though, i am one of the biggest and most vocal supporters of match pics making a difference, Snake's really doesn't seem that horrible, compared to what it could be. someone, please show me an extreme close-up of Snake that actually looks good.

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From: transience | Posted: 8/23/2005 4:08:29 PM | Message Detail
you know, I'm older than most people here so I'm probably the exception, but the Solid **** picture you speak of is the best picture of Snake to me. that thing brings me back to my metal gear days.
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From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 8/23/2005 4:10:57 PM | Message Detail
Donkey Kong will beat Master Chief.

No.

YES.


NO

Hey, we can always just give him his 2003 ranking!

lol

but it appears that a good portion of both Samus and Ganondorf's popularity comes from SSBM.

well, I think that's more Ness' point, and Yoshi is flat out Nintendo, so I wouldn't say the ssbm strength means much to Samus and Ganondorf, but to Ness?, yes.

I think we're overlooking Samus/Ganondorf, or at least haven't said enough about it. Sure Link crushed Ganon with sff, but Metroid and Zelda aren't the same series, despite both being Nintendo. I wouldnt' be suprised if there wasn't sff, I think it has a shot, too, at turning more into a Megaman/Zero type thing.

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From: Heroic Dr Wily | Posted: 8/23/2005 4:13:13 PM | Message Detail
Donkey Kong will beat Master Chief.

No.

YES.

NO


YES.
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