Well, according to some, Yuna is more important to FFX than Tidus is...
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Round 2: (3) Mag...Er...(6) Knuckles the Echidna

heh, I knew this would come. not more important, just equally important.
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Did it just miss an update?
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Yeah, it did.
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and people still believe that Cloud is going to beat Link?

I don't care how Square in general is doing, Final Fantasy VII is something you simply cannot say has no chance at winning.

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Lower Mushroom Division:

Zero: 50.00%
Ryu Hayabusa: 37.00%
Lloyd Irving: 26.75%
Albert Wesker: 24.24%

Upper Zebes Division:

Samus Aran: 50.00%
Frog: 29.95%
Riku: 28.95%
Yuri Hyuga: 12.68%
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Today's Pick: Ganondorf

GameFAQs is acting weird right now...
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That's only true if you forget to adjust for Link/Samus SFF.

Link/Samus SFF shouldn't be too big, since they're quite close to each other, just like Link/Mario SFF.

And after seeing Magus' drop between 2k3 and 2k4, what's hard to swallow?

It doesn't matter how important a character is in the story, if that character isn't the protagonist. Protagonists are generally much stronger than the personalities would indicate. If importance in the story were all that counted, Colette would be here instead of Lloyd.

You forgot something, Kratos is much more popular than Llyod, despite not being the lead.

And Yuna's screen time in FF X isn't that much less than Tidus'.

And "leaps and bounds"? What exactly do you mean by that?

16 PS2 FINAL FANTASY X SQUARE ENIX INC (CORP) Dec-01 2,270,819
57 PS2 FINAL FANTASY X-2 SQUARE ENIX INC (CORP) Nov-03 1,379,019

They're less than a million copies apart, smaller than the difference between Halo and SSBM. I'd hardly call that "leaps an bounds". And for some reason you keep ignoring DMC2. Why is that?

It's almost a million difference, that's huge to me.
The main point is that FF X is the more popular and well-liked game, so Yuna would have gained most of her fans from FF X.

I don't care or know about DMC, so I can't comment.
Besides, you didn't mention how much did DMC 1 sold.

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So, how well does Ganondorf have to do on Samus to make Yuna>Frog and Riku?
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I don't see how someone could argue against FFX-2 giving Yuna a boost. That just seemed rather obvious from the beginning. A leading role in a game that sold over a million copies shouldn't be tossed aside.

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If this means a poll reset, I will be pissed.
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"I don't care how Square in general is doing, Final Fantasy VII is something you simply cannot say has no chance at winning."


Maybe, but Cloud certainly isn't a lock to win, or even the favorite going into the match, unless something huge happened since 2004 that I'm not aware of. So Vincent did better then expected against a nobody. So what? If Link cant beat Cloud, then all the Twilight Princess hype was a complete dud.

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Looks like the poll is broken right now...
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Cjay won't reset it as there's a clear winner.

The poll won't reset, and even if it did, Ganondorf would still win. But good thing this isn't a close match. <_<
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Yeah, Sonic/Tidus broke down for a while, and he didn't reset it because the winner was clear. He won't restart it, even if it does make the vote totals suffer.
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That's only true if you forget to adjust for Link/Samus SFF.

Link/Samus SFF shouldn't be too big, since they're quite close to each other, just like Link/Mario SFF.

And after seeing Magus' drop between 2k3 and 2k4, what's hard to swallow?


Aeris and Sora are even closer, but their match had pretty extreme SFF.

It doesn't matter how important a character is in the story, if that character isn't the protagonist. Protagonists are generally much stronger than the personalities would indicate. If importance in the story were all that counted, Colette would be here instead of Lloyd.

You forgot something, Kratos is much more popular than Llyod, despite not being the lead.

And Yuna's screen time in FF X isn't that much less than Tidus'.

Yeah, so? Kratos would be even stronger if he were the protagonist. I'm not understanding your point here.

It's almost a million difference, that's huge to me.
The main point is that FF X is the more popular and well-liked game, so Yuna would have gained most of her fans from FF X.

I don't care or know about DMC, so I can't comment.
Besides, you didn't mention how much did DMC 1 sold.


A game that sold over a million copies still isn't nothing. That's more than FFVI sold. Halo 2 is more popular and well-liked than Halo, but MC still gains most of his popularity from the first game. Probably because his roles in both games are exactly the same, unlike Yuna.

85 PS2 DEVIL MAY CRY CAPCOM USA Oct-01 1,096,288

Devil May Cry is somewhere under 500,000, which is a much bigger difference in relative terms.
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Good.

Go Ganon.
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Maybe, but Cloud certainly isn't a lock to win, or even the favorite going into the match, unless something huge happened since 2004 that I'm not aware of.

I certainly never said he was a lock to win or that he was even a "favorite' heading into the match. But that match certainly isn't clear in Link's favor nor can Cloud ever be counted out. Just changes over the course of a year can have Cloud winning that match this year, it wasn't as though Link by won by a ton last year.

So Vincent did better then expected against a nobody. So what?

Tifa also performed very well against someone we already know about. She's quite clearly in the elite level should Vyse had remained constant.

If Link cant beat Cloud, then all the Twilight Princess hype was a complete dud.

I have no idea why people were so behind Twilight Princess hype to begin with, especially this year. It always amazes me how people put so much stock behind something like that yet disregard Advent Children.

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The hype for TP is a leetle greater than the hype for AC, no?
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But Advent Children is just a movie! Never mind that people think that a short trailer supposedly gave Link a huge boost!
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I don't see how someone could argue against FFX-2 giving Yuna a boost. That just seemed rather obvious from the beginning. A leading role in a game that sold over a million copies shouldn't be tossed aside.

I did NOT argue against FF X-2 giving Yuna a boost, I argued that it might not be as big of a boost as some of you put it.

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The hype for KH2 is larger then the hype for AC.
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The hype for TP is a leetle greater than the hype for AC, no?

Advent Children will be out by the time the match between Link and Cloud rolls around. Cloud isn't going to have to rely on any worthless "hype" to help him win.

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The poll might still be counting votes. Perfect Dark/SotN broke down and votes were still counted.
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Summer Contest Score: 35/38
Today's Pick: Ganondorf

Well, people have been saying that they've been getting weird glitch messages when they tried to vote.
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I haven't been watching the poll - is it just not updating the results?
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I seem to find myself logging in repetitively..man this site has gone haywire or something?

Prediction: When the poll starts working again, Auron will be winning with 53%.

*runs*
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weird, it just logged me out twice in a row. sounds like site maintenance is coming.
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I did NOT argue against FF X-2 giving Yuna a boost, I argued that it might not be as big of a boost as some of you put it.


Yeah, I know it's not as big as I used to think. 4% is much more reasonable than 7%, eh?
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It's stuck at 63636 total votes.

Nah, it's just a CATS invasion. Standard 2101 stuff.
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But Advent Children is just a movie! Never mind that people think that a short trailer supposedly gave Link a huge boost!

I don't think Twilight Princess as a game gave Link a boost from his 2k3 match against Cloud. I think it was more of a return to his adult form that everybody wanted. I actually think Link would have still won if TP wasn't there and they had plugged in SCII's version of Link.

I don't think AC would give Cloud much of a boost in this contest, especially so close to his match against Link. It isn't necessarily something that would bring more people to GameFAQs like a new game would. Also, you would have to assume that everyone is going to rush and watch the movie immediately. Advent Children will probably give Cloud a boost eventually, but only after more and more people eventually watch the movie.
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whoa, there's only one FAQ for each game, too. sucks for everyone actually playing games!
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Well, people don't seem to argue that Mario Sunshine being released on the day of his match with Cloud helped him. It's not like everyone bought it on the same day.

Hype is at its greatest in the immediate aftermath of a release.
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This has got to be delibetate.
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I don't think Twilight Princess as a game gave Link a boost from his 2k3 match against Cloud. I think it was more of a return to his adult form that everybody wanted. I actually think Link would have still won if TP wasn't there and they had plugged in SCII's version of Link.

I'm still pretty sure it was ZCE. It went out with 2.5-3 million GameCubes, to people who weren't necessarily Zelda fans. Compare that to OoT selling 3.5 million copies, or Wind Waker selling 1.9 million (probably less as of last contest). ZCE was huge, which most people don't seem to realize.
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It would be awful if he had to postpone Snake/Zelda to fix the site.

If he postpones Zelda/Snake I am going to be pissed I am anticipating that match so much.

Ocarina of Time only sold 3.5 million copies???
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yep, it logs you out when you go and look at the results. stay away from the poll (thanks, sc2k5!) and you'll be fine.
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Aeris and Sora are even closer, but their match had pretty extreme SFF.

That's something I can't explain, but later years suggested that neither Mario nor Samus was SFF'ed that badly.

Yeah, so? Kratos would be even stronger if he were the protagonist. I'm not understanding your point here.

You don't need to be the lead to be popular, Kratos proved it.

Would he be more popular had he been the lead, who knows...

A game that sold over a million copies still isn't nothing. That's more than FFVI sold. Halo 2 is more popular and well-liked than Halo, but MC still gains most of his popularity from the first game. Probably because his roles in both games are exactly the same, unlike Yuna.

But most of those who bought FF X-2, did so because they've played FF X, so their opinion about Yuna shouldn't change by much, regardless of her new-found role.

It's not like FF X-2 exposed Yuna to a mostly brand new audience.

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Well, people don't seem to argue that Mario Sunshine being released on the day of his match with Cloud helped him. It's not like everyone bought it on the same day.

Hype is at its greatest in the immediate aftermath of a release.

With Mario Sunshine, we're not talking about hype, we're talking about people coming online to check out the FAQs. Popular games like that are always front loaded. I don't think Halo 2's sales since release have matched its first day sales yet.
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But most of those who bought FF X-2, did so because they've played FF X, so their opinion about Yuna shouldn't change by much, regardless of her new-found role.

sounds like you're arguing that KHF doesn't exist to me.
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But most of those who bought FF X-2, did so because they've played FF X, so their opinion about Yuna shouldn't change by much, regardless of her new-found role.

It's not like FF X-2 exposed Yuna to a mostly brand new audience.


Yeah, just like DMC2. Yuna was a completely different person in X-2, and also the protagonist. Being the protagonist helps, that's part of the reason that the protagonist is almost always the first character from a game to get in, and usually the most popular.
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sounds like you're arguing that KHF doesn't exist to me.

Nah, that's not what he's arguing at all. KHF says that a bunch of non-FF fans bought KH, and all of them saw the wonder of Squall, Cloud, and Sephiroth, and then voted for them in the contest. He's saying that everyone who bought FFX-2 already knew the wonder of Yuna, so they'd be voting for her anyway.
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Ocarina of Time only sold 3.5 million copies???

In America, yes.

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not in regards to Squall, though - most people seem to say that they like Squall more after having played KH. I only played about 13 minutes of it, so I have no idea.

there are people who played x-2 before x; partystar, for example.
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Yeah, I know it's not as big as I used to think. 4% is much more reasonable than 7%, eh?

Even 4% is still extremely ridiculous, and you were expecting 7%?

I'd give her a 2% boost at most, and even that is still too much.

sounds like you're arguing that KHF doesn't exist to me.

KH exposed Cloud cs. to a somewhat new audience, especially to those who bought the game for the Disney chars.

And KH was released long after FF VII, it could've acted as a reminder to former/non-hardcore FF VII fans why they used to like Cloud cs.

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